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Oh we weren’t talking about there not being enough food to feed everyone, I think everyone in that group would agree that calories aren’t the issue. we were talking about the government being too incompetent, corrupt, or both to distribute it without killing a ton of people in the process. which really was the problem during the great cultural revolution too, mao had plenty of grain to feed China, he was just too corrupt to distribute it to people rather than buying nukes with it.
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May 3, 2023 21:59
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Wasn't the food distribution during COVID lockdowns completely dire?
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May 3, 2023 23:17
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Coolguye posted:Oh we weren’t talking about there not being enough food to feed everyone, I think everyone in that group would agree that calories aren’t the issue. My mom grew up in China in the 60's and 70's and remembers the government shipping grain to Vietnam while people starved at home.
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May 3, 2023 23:49
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McGavin posted:Wasn't the food distribution during COVID lockdowns completely dire? yes.
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May 3, 2023 23:59
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bamhand posted:My mom grew up in China in the 60's and 70's and remembers the government shipping grain to Vietnam while people starved at home. Literally straight out of Animal Farm. That book is loving prophetic. Don't hide your authoritarian state-capitalism under the disguise of communism kids. It always turns out the same.
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May 4, 2023 00:13
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no, this is utterly typical of famine everywhere. basically no such thing as bad famine without the govt shipping out food
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May 4, 2023 00:43
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bamhand posted:My mom grew up in China in the 60's and 70's and remembers the government shipping grain to Vietnam while people starved at home. This is probably the most common complaint I've heard from Chinese people now about the government. Especially when food prices were getting wild a little bit back. I don't got much of an opinion on it, I'm just saying that's probably overall the most common complaint I've heard. I don't think it's bad for one country to help/invest in another country (if that's what's actually happening, which usually isn't. There are almost always a whole lot of strings attached and that I got strong opinions on) but then also I make a decent wage and you perceive those things a whole lot differently when you're not and getting screwed over by the government claiming to be for you.
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May 4, 2023 00:56
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bob dobbs is dead posted:no, this is utterly typical of famine everywhere. basically no such thing as bad famine without the govt shipping out food Before the 20th century you saw famines there were "there's just not enough food" (or more precisely "we can't transport enough food in from outside famine zone logistically"). When exactly this happens changes from place to place - UK and the Netherlands are natural famine free from the 17th century, but continental europe has bad famines up to the 1860s.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:UK and the Netherlands are natural famine free from the 17th century 
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May 4, 2023 01:04
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The English kept exporting food from Ireland all through the famine.
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Note the word natural. British government policy is plenty capable of causing people to starve, and you get bad harvests with are economically depressing, but you don't get the "there is not enough food to eat" state fairly early on historically speaking, because good maritime links and infrastructure make importing food always an option.
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My post wasn't claiming that famines only happen in faux communist states, but that the way China pretends to be about protecting the workers while directly contributing to their misery while gradually transforming into the thing they overthrew is literally the plot of Animal Farm.
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orwell was an og demsoc and fought alongside the stalinists in spain and did not like what he saw a lot of the soviet chinese split was mao wanting to stick w stalinism and khruschev sayin gently caress that. mao was real pissed at the secret speech bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 04:21 on May 4, 2023 |
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May 4, 2023 04:18
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I thought his stuff in Spain was mostly with the anarchists, which he was pretty cool with.
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well whatever it was xi seems intent on setting the stage to do literally the same thing again. same promises of equality in prosperity, same implementation of neighborhood distribution co-ops, same promises of endless plenty in rationing, same all-powerful assholes in charge of distribution. strictly speaking it's all marxist insofar as marx espoused a planned economy administrated for a powerful socialist safety net, but i kinda doubt marx would be cool with the seemingly inevitable result of putting the same people at the head of both the means of production and the means of spending. it always results in common people getting hosed eight ways from sunday in ways that make even the pinkertons seem quaint because at least the pinkertons could be opposed by someone deploying the national guard or regular police against them. also they never had loving tanks. i hope it's different somehow this time but the more i look at it the more i come to think that the only difference between 1960 and 2020 is that the all-powerful rear end in a top hat isn't bald. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 08:07 on May 4, 2023 |
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WarpedNaba posted:I thought his stuff in Spain was mostly with the anarchists, which he was pretty cool with. Anarchists and the fourth international (trotskyist left). One of Catalonia's major labor unions was anarchist, and then there were, depending on the time, two or three active communist parties as well. Orwell basically ended up with a bunch of strange leftist bedfellows in an alliance of convenience against the Stalinist/third international forces.
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May 4, 2023 08:05
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bob dobbs is dead posted:no, this is utterly typical of famine everywhere. basically no such thing as bad famine without the govt shipping out food No no no sometimes they also hoard it and let it rot. BrainDance posted:This is probably the most common complaint I've heard from Chinese people now about the government. Especially when food prices were getting wild a little bit back. Did you quote the wrong post 
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Did you quote the wrong post No, people now complain about China sending stuff to and supporting other countries while people in China struggle. Much like they probably did in the 70s when China shipped food to other places while people struggled then, too.
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May 4, 2023 11:09
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I guess the Chinese government will be forced to clean up its act and offer a better deal to its people in order to compete with other bold visions for the future of nations and governance that are currently offering stability, security, and growth for their citizens, such as
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Atopian posted:I guess the Chinese government will be forced to clean up its act and offer a better deal to its people in order to compete with other bold visions for the future of nations and governance that are currently offering stability, security, and growth for their citizens, such as Finland, the happiest nation on earth(six years in a row). My Finish friends, please come and liberate us, we ache for your benevolent rule
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May 4, 2023 11:24
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GABA ghoul posted:Finland, the happiest nation on earth(six years in a row). My Finish friends, please come and liberate us, we ache for your benevolent rule Finns are happy because every morning they wake up and think "At least I'm not in Russia. Yet."
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May 4, 2023 11:26
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Russia will soon be a colony of China so really...
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Strategic Tea posted:Russia will soon be a colony of China so really... lovely deal for China 
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Finns are happy because every morning they wake up and think "At least I'm not in Russia. Yet."
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May 5, 2023 00:25
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Atopian posted:They should worry more about Korea. Korea isn’t loving scary. Corea is scary as hell, though.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Korea isn’t loving scary. Corea is scary as hell, though. I'm going to pants you
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3D Megadoodoo posted:lovely deal for China clearly you're not thinking about the post colonised beauties
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Booty Pageant posted:clearly you're not thinking about the post colonised beauties I've been to China and the Russian women were already there.
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We have a road in Hong Kong called Macdonnell Road, and in Chinese it's written the same as McDonald ( 麥當勞) so this week a bunch of mainland tourists are taking selfies of them eating McDonald's takeout in front of the street sign
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May 6, 2023 02:42
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Imperialist Dog posted:We have a road in Hong Kong called Macdonnell Road, and in Chinese it's written the same as McDonald ( 麥當勞) so this week a bunch of mainland tourists are taking selfies of them eating McDonald's takeout in front of the street sign villians
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May 6, 2023 02:48
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Imperialist Dog posted:We have a road in Hong Kong called Macdonnell Road, and in Chinese it's written the same as McDonald ( 麥當勞) so this week a bunch of mainland tourists are taking selfies of them eating McDonald's takeout in front of the street sign Revenge for the Top Gear crew spending up a storm at Mao's gift shop?
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Coolguye posted:i hope it's different somehow this time but the more i look at it the more i come to think that the only difference between 1960 and 2020 is that the all-powerful rear end in a top hat isn't bald. Xi at least has better teeth
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https://twitter.com/zekward_wax/status/1653963248184745984?s=20 Edit: maybe don't check that guy's twitter
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passed done OBOR projects today and was a bit amused that they're building a big fancy tunnel when the surrounding road is either rocks and dust or more potholes than road also that they couldn't be arsed to find someone to translate the slogan into tajik and instead just used russian
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Brutal Garcon posted:https://twitter.com/zekward_wax/status/1653963248184745984?s=20 This rules. A decade ago at Millenium City Park in Kaifeng, I got to cosplay as a groom in a groom-getting skit. I'm not sure if they still do it. The skit went like this: A woman standing on a balcony throws a ball down to a group of men, the man who catches it is pulled into the skit. I caught it and was whisked into the building and they threw some Hanfu on me and fed me the lines, which was a fake marriage ceremony type of thing on the balcony. This was my first trip to China and spoke no Mandarin at that time, so I bungled the lines pretty badly. Fun times!
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May 10, 2023 16:03
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huh so paxlovid is worth about 2000rmb on the market i wonder what you're supposed to do to officially get it
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Booty Pageant posted:huh so paxlovid is worth about 2000rmb on the market Be old / at risk in a relatively rich area.
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