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elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

Simply Simon posted:

Do you think -2 Reins -2 Rager +1 Mercadia +1 Scrounger +1 Dreadship +1 Land would be a better deck? Actually, Scrounger and another land should be an immediate given, I forgot how insanely good Scrounger is with Convoke.

I think if you want to drop the ragers then my full cuts would be -2 Reins, -2 Rager, - Moment of truth and + Invasion, Assimilate Essence, Scrounger, Tetsuko, land.

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Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Twilight might not always be ideal, but it’s fun taking creatures you’d never otherwise get to play with.



(Also I think battles are a bad idea for RDW, except maybe Regatha which itself is burn. Seeing one of their creatures not attacking you feels so good from the other side of the board.)



Any suggestions for what to replace Bloodthirsty Adversaries and Raijus with, if I want to build RDW myself but without the rares that are about to rotate? I was thinking Spellspear for the former.

Rinkles fucked around with this message at 11:17 on May 4, 2023

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Rampaging Raptor could fit into Raiju’s slot

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Rinkles posted:

Twilight might not always be ideal, but it’s fun taking creatures you’d never otherwise get to play with.



(Also I think battles are a bad idea for RDW, except maybe Regatha which itself is burn. Seeing one of their creatures not attacking you feels so good from the other side of the board.)



Any suggestions for what to replace Bloodthirsty Adversaries and Raijus with, if I want to build RDW myself but without the rares that are about to rotate? I was thinking Spellspear for the former.

I tried spellspear, and it’s fun to play with, but not as good as Feldon/Adversary for a super fast RDW. That lack of haste really hurts you when so many decks plan to remove your creature on the next turn.

I think it needs an Izzet shell.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
That’s what I “feared”.

A good rule of thumb for assessing a card is how unhappy you’d be seeing it cast against you, and yeah from the perspective of mono blue the Jackal is way less scary (if it’s not protected).

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!






Thats been my experience as well, just a bit too slow

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


That's why spellspear deck have 3 swords.

I've never actually seen it being played though (possibly because of the 3 swords lol). I would assume it's a lot slower but grindier since the new phoenix is also a decent sword carrier, and warcrafting lets you play a maindeck sheoldred killer that's still good against smaller targets.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

elbkaida posted:

I think if you want to drop the ragers then my full cuts would be -2 Reins, -2 Rager, - Moment of truth and + Invasion, Assimilate Essence, Scrounger, Tetsuko, land.
What is Tetsuko good for, just the Scrounger combo and some ping damage? Is rear end Ess actually good? I've been unhappy about 2-mana-counters in the last two sets (tho Essence Scatter was excellent in DMU).

Actually, Tetsuko would be excellent with the Dreadship...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I, for one, am derfinitely looking forward to the next year and a half of turn 4 etali.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Just play blue, bing bong so simple

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Like, I have no idea how any aggro strat is supposed to cope with turn 4 7 mana thingo, be it Etali or Atraxa, let alone Chaotic Transformation into Etali and Portal.

wei
Jul 27, 2006

Simply Simon posted:

What is Tetsuko good for, just the Scrounger combo and some ping damage? Is rear end Ess actually good? I've been unhappy about 2-mana-counters in the last two sets (tho Essence Scatter was excellent in DMU).

Actually, Tetsuko would be excellent with the Dreadship...

Assimilate is very good, it's always going to vary from format to format. No powerstones or unearth to make Scatter Ray bad, mana held up can be spent on other instants or incubator flips, and good expensive battles/creatures to hit in the late game. Good early, best answer to Preening and still makes a 2/2 when it fails.

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


thespaceinvader posted:

Like, I have no idea how any aggro strat is supposed to cope with turn 4 7 mana thingo, be it Etali or Atraxa, let alone Chaotic Transformation into Etali and Portal.

Don't forget about upcoming Metropolis Reformer!

Aggressive strategies have been pretty potent for a while - I don't have a good memory for these things, but the loss of Blood on the Snow + Meathook banning really let them loose. Thing seem hosed for them now though.

Boxman fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 4, 2023

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




Simply Simon posted:

What is Tetsuko good for, just the Scrounger combo and some ping damage? Is rear end Ess actually good? I've been unhappy about 2-mana-counters in the last two sets (tho Essence Scatter was excellent in DMU).

Actually, Tetsuko would be excellent with the Dreadship...

Your deck is generating tonnes of 1/1s (Mercadia, Stormsculptor) and having them be unlockable is good.

And yes I'd play boat over Moment of Truth. I'd also try to find room for the Great sword but I'm not sure over what. Maybe the Furnace Charger?

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

thespaceinvader posted:

Like, I have no idea how any aggro strat is supposed to cope with turn 4 7 mana thingo, be it Etali or Atraxa, let alone Chaotic Transformation into Etali and Portal.
I've found Menace to be very good for those "1 big problem" decks, ofc the big problem making more problems is a huge issue, but it can be key for that one extra attack you need to win. That's why I keep tooting Sticky Fingers' horn!

wei posted:

Assimilate is very good, it's always going to vary from format to format. No powerstones or unearth to make Scatter Ray bad, mana held up can be spent on other instants or incubator flips, and good expensive battles/creatures to hit in the late game. Good early, best answer to Preening and still makes a 2/2 when it fails.
Thanks for the evaluation! Genuinely very helpful to think about prime targets and such.

Lone Goat posted:

Your deck is generating tonnes of 1/1s (Mercadia, Stormsculptor) and having them be unlockable is good.

And yes I'd play boat over Moment of Truth. I'd also try to find room for the Great sword but I'm not sure over what. Maybe the Furnace Charger?
It's true, I didn't count the possible amount of tokens. Still kinda regretting not taking that one Ral's I saw (P2P3), but I figured Eyes of Gitaxias which I took over it was simply a better card.

The Greatsword has also impressed me before; it's definitely worth considering (also, playing it with Seedshark on the board, oof). I'll have to tinker some, this is a very cool deck to think about!

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

thespaceinvader posted:

I, for one, am derfinitely looking forward to the next year and a half of turn 4 etali.

4x stone brain has a permanent place in all of my sideboards.

Toozler
Jan 12, 2012

Is this it?? The vaunted 10 creature awkward splash Gyruda companion draft deck??

https://sealeddeck.tech/ZVzVRSsA81

Surely just playing the good cards instead would be better, right. But this ended up way closer than I thought given the late pack 2 Gyruda

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

thespaceinvader posted:

Like, I have no idea how any aggro strat is supposed to cope with turn 4 7 mana thingo, be it Etali or Atraxa, let alone Chaotic Transformation into Etali and Portal.

Well if it's soldiers at least, sideboard in counterspells/more counterspells depending on build.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



lmao when I was thinking "Are 4 Halo Foragers too many" the answer is no, I needed every single one of them to secure this win, including the literal Save from Death by Temporal Cleansing my own creature so I didn't deck myself lmao



Even if this stalls out before the trophy (one more win... or two more losses right now) it has been a good draft, format owns

Edit: :toot:


Back over 60%... The set I've trophied the most and therefore my favorite lol

CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 23:06 on May 4, 2023

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


I unlocked that Squee and Saproling card from the Mastery Pass. I never brew my own, but I thought I'd take a hack at it in HBrawl and I cannot figure out what exactly I want to be doing. I tried just putting in lots of looting and 7+ mana guys and that went alright but I could just do that in black-red with olivia already.
Squee basically wants to get cast, immediately die and come back bringing a friend. No idea how to build around a commander who only gets played from the command zone once.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
this is slimefoot erasure

the green should let you get some additional big creatures but also enough mana to keep activating slimefoot+squee's ability -- i wouldn't be surprised if there's an infinite you can build with how wide the historic pool is currently

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
It's very weird that they've not fixed the Caged Sun bug yet (if your opponent plays one, it completely fucks up your autotapper because it assumes that it applies for both players when it does not) when they've known about it for a year, and cards like Nissa Who Shakes the World don't have that issue. It's very irritating.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Shrecknet posted:

I unlocked that Squee and Saproling card from the Mastery Pass. I never brew my own, but I thought I'd take a hack at it in HBrawl and I cannot figure out what exactly I want to be doing. I tried just putting in lots of looting and 7+ mana guys and that went alright but I could just do that in black-red with olivia already.
Squee basically wants to get cast, immediately die and come back bringing a friend. No idea how to build around a commander who only gets played from the command zone once.

Treat the commander more as "you're guaranteed to have this every game" than about something you're going to repeatedly re-cast for value.

The fail-state of a lot of commanders is when you're having to pay aggressively increasing amounts of commander tax to keep using them.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
https://www.mayer.cool/writings/Heisting-20-Million-in-Magic-Cards/

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Jabor posted:

Treat the commander more as "you're guaranteed to have this every game" than about something you're going to repeatedly re-cast for value.

The fail-state of a lot of commanders is when you're having to pay aggressively increasing amounts of commander tax to keep using them.
but he is literally a commander that always comes out of the yard costing 4? :confused:

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Yeah that's what I'm saying. You have him every game and unlike everyone else, you're not paying commander tax to keep replaying him.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012


neat!

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Imagine going all the way to doing this without knowing about dupe protection until you actually start getting free gems lmao

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Shrecknet posted:

I unlocked that Squee and Saproling card from the Mastery Pass.

Anybody know what the set code is for these mom commander cards in mtga? I can't find them in search except by narrowing the criteria (e.g. searching the name or looking in the list of commanders)

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




kalel posted:

Anybody know what the set code is for these mom commander cards in mtga? I can't find them in search except by narrowing the criteria (e.g. searching the name or looking in the list of commanders)

MOC

kalel
Jun 19, 2012


oh derp. lol

unfortunate that it's not selectable in the UI though

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




kalel posted:

oh derp. lol

unfortunate that it's not selectable in the UI though

type e:moc into the search field

Hammer Bro.
Jul 7, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Today's miserable draft: first loss was because 10 out of the 15 cards I saw were land. In a 16-land deck.

Second loss was because they had multiple mythics. I forget what the first one was (not too scary) but then Vorinclex came out and that's hard to deal with.

Third loss was because they played an early Sunfall, which I actually managed to recover from pretty well. Then a Kenrith. Then an Invasion of Ravnica.

Just once could I get any of those sweet, sweet gamewinners handed my way? I'll change colors to play 'em.

(Also if any of you were that last guy, congrats on your presumed 7-0. It's nice to steamroll sometimes.)

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

Lone Goat posted:

type e:moc into the search field

yeah I mean there's no drop down button for the moc set like there is for MOM or for the special cards like strixhaven archive or multiverse legends

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

 

quote:

(Except not, because I reported this vulnerability to them and it has been patched. Shoutout to the WotC security and engineering teams for being lovely to work with and patching this bug in a timely manner!)

Stuff like this is the kind of sin Jesus peels his rear end off the cross for because he ain't tanking the sin for this poo poo. A man with the power to make the world better for countless people or even just 1, but chooses to help out casino instead.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I mean, that's what mst hackers do with vulnerabilities like that?

It's not like if he distributed the means of doing it publicly they wouldn't more or less immediately find out about it and patch the vulnerability anyway.

Then ban literally anyone who ever used it.

(I'm still genuinely surprised they haven't patched that set-release infinite money bug and hit everyone who took advantage of it, but i guess it's more or less impossible to tell who was intentionally abusing it and who just didn't know/understand it was happening)

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
It's a joke, Christ wouldn't peel himself off the cross for anything, dude is bananas for sin, can't get enough of it.

imagine dungeons
Jan 24, 2008

Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

thespaceinvader posted:

(I'm still genuinely surprised they haven't patched that set-release infinite money bug and hit everyone who took advantage of it, but i guess it's more or less impossible to tell who was intentionally abusing it and who just didn't know/understand it was happening)

I probably made 2500 gold without realizing it. I kept queuing up and saying “wtf” when my quest wouldn’t complete. Didn’t look at my gold total until someone in this thread mentioned it was a bug in our favor.

MasterBuilder
Sep 30, 2008
Oven Wrangler
God drat do I love playing Tyvar sac. Some turns you just get to go nuts and your opponent is there hovering over your cards thinking how did this empty board become full and why am I dead to death triggers.

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resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

Here's a brew:

Esper flash tribal for explorer. Might be a big waste of wildcards.



code:
Companion
1 Yorion, Sky Nomad (IKO) 232

Deck
4 Errant and Giada (MOM) 224
1 Swamp (ANA) 5
2 Glacial Fortress (XLN) 255
4 Obscura Interceptor (SNC) 209
2 Island (ANA) 3
3 Spell Queller (SIR) 244
4 Slitherwisp (IKO) 208
2 Ertai Resurrected (DMU) 199
4 Cunning Nightbonder (IKO) 219
4 Spectral Sailor (M20) 76
4 Brazen Borrower (ELD) 39
4 Saiba Cryptomancer (MOM) 76
4 Overcharged Amalgam (VOW) 71
3 Darkslick Shores (ONE) 250
4 Watery Grave (GRN) 259
2 Drowned Catacomb (XLN) 253
2 Underground River (BRO) 267
4 Hallowed Fountain (RNA) 251
2 Adarkar Wastes (DMU) 243
3 Seachrome Coast (ONE) 258
4 Omen of the Sea (THB) 58
4 Raffine's Tower (SNC) 254
2 Godless Shrine (RNA) 248
1 Plains (ANA) 1
2 The Wandering Emperor (NEO) 42
2 Hullbreaker Horror (VOW) 63
3 Seal Away (DAR) 31

Sideboard
1 Yorion, Sky Nomad (IKO) 232
2 Rest in Peace (AKR) 33
2 Containment Priest (M21) 13
2 Fatal Push (KLR) 84
1 The Wandering Emperor (NEO) 42
3 Thoughtseize (AKR) 127
1 Settle the Wreckage (XLN) 34
2 Negate (RIX) 44
1 Blacklance Paragon (ELD) 79

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