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Khorne posted:he believes tech has made the world worse yes, and?
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May 4, 2023 19:47
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if you can solve the problem that americans pay 5 times the price for rail per km and like 10 times the price for subways per km than koreans you can have nice rail and subways in the usa otherwise, no. pouring in more money will help but at literally 1/5, 1/10th the rate
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May 4, 2023 19:49
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the woz video is good, bring on the guillotines 
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May 4, 2023 19:54
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its less than a hundred billion total, about, so the answers no, not with the dog poo poo value for money american public transit gets. korean prices, maybe it would definitely help to not have the red herring of "self-driving cars are right around the corner, google has never lied to us" which i am sure has affected pubtrans planning and funding across the globe not to mention the knock on effects of more people being able to exist without maintaining a car and all the jobs for building and maintaining the transportation system
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May 4, 2023 19:54
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you can solve the problem that americans pay 5 times the price for rail per km and like 10 times the price for subways per km than koreans you can have nice rail and subways in the usa isn't the american problem more like needing to cover sprawling areas where you pretty much plop down more bus routes and more buses because the density for subway or light rail just does not exist
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May 4, 2023 19:57
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manhattan has comparable density to lots of seoul and their prices are hosed. same w downtown sf
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May 4, 2023 19:58
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4lokos basilisk posted:isn't the american problem more like needing to cover sprawling areas where you pretty much plop down more bus routes and more buses because the density for subway or light rail just does not exist also general racism/classism against the IDEA of riding a bus riding a bicycle on a road? that means you got your license suspended cause youre a drunk, or a hippie that should be crushed by my f150
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May 4, 2023 19:58
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anyway i think the government should be able to solve the price per rail km and the name of the solution is eminent domain this of course is not what is happening since collectively we are still convinced that some magical technological solution will unfuck our congestion and pollution issues so nobody really needs to adapt to a different lifestyle
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May 4, 2023 20:00
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if the subway was nice richer peeps would take it. it isnt nice because all the poo poo, the trains, the stations, are decrepit and old. they are decrepit and old because they are multiple times more expensive than what the east asians get
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May 4, 2023 20:01
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ok, sorry to anyone i upset: i am 100% for sure an idiot so don't take too much notice of anything. to try to clarify the point I keep trying to make irl: the current ai garbage is garbage. it is not going to bring about an utopia, but it does do some things. it is absolutely draining me how it gets used as an explanation of how things are falling apart (absolute nonsense, the things really can't achieve poo poo) and how there's random sci-fi speculation of what it'll do (any of it *could* be true, but it could have been true in 1996 to the same degree). and entirely personally i do hate some old sv rich guy going on about this kind of thing. id as soon listen to musk going on about ai moratoriums as woz. but that's me.
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May 4, 2023 20:01
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i used to take the 5A bus to work, that line had the same passenger throughput as copenhagen airport, something like 5 million passengers a year (its now called 5C and is one of them accordions and i take the metro but i assume its about teh same still) buses own but tbh the metro is way better
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May 4, 2023 20:02
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we're not saying there is evil inside the chatgpt, we're saying there is evil in a bunch of cto's decisions (that are being made every day) to fire their support staff and let chatgpt answer tickets, until we have a ReCkOniNg in three years and they hire everybody back at 60% pay. here's the rest of all of our lives: you will pay more and get less. thats it. thats all we have to look forward to. we're just raging against the dying of the light, but you're getting your hackles up over the wrong thing.
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May 4, 2023 20:03
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Jonny 290 posted:we're just raging against the dying of the light
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May 4, 2023 20:04
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lack of trains is largely an issue of corruption and mismanagement. Nobody with the capability of doing those kinds of large scale projects can make it in the american bureaucracy. Share Bear posted:riding a bicycle on a road? that means you got your license suspended cause youre a drunk, or a hippie that should be crushed by my f150 bicycles arent viable transportation for people who need to get to work or shop for groceries for their families or whatever else. they're toys for playing around and people should not ride their toys in the street where the actual vehicles are
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May 4, 2023 20:05
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god i remember in high school in the late 90s called myself a techo-utopian. made a clay head for an exhibition that was half human and half robotic. so cringe.
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May 4, 2023 20:07
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:to try to clarify the point I keep trying to make irl: the current ai garbage is garbage. it is not going to bring about an utopia, but it does do some things. yes, we all know this. in fact, instead of bringing about any utopias it will in fact lead us the opposite direction via more and more concentration of wealth and power and more oppression. I dont think there's anyone reading this forum that doesnt agree with this to at least some extent, which it why its nice to hear woz calling for the execution of the people working on it.
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May 4, 2023 20:07
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:ok, sorry to anyone i upset: i am 100% for sure an idiot so don't take too much notice of anything. it does not matter if the ai garbage is garbage or utopia - it will still be pushed on the general public as yet another great technological achievement just like self-driving cars and gig work platforms. the externalities will be worsening of the signal-noise ratio of information on the internet and everywhere else this stuff is deployed in, and it will make the work of anyone in any kind of customer support communication role even worse
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May 4, 2023 20:08
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Shaggar posted:lack of trains is largely an issue of corruption and mismanagement. Nobody with the capability of doing those kinds of large scale projects can make it in the american bureaucracy. east asia: famous haven of lack of corruption eh, no. corruption is in the nature of human beings. all the east asian railways got built despite insane corruption
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May 4, 2023 20:09
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rotor posted:yes, we all know this. in fact, instead of bringing about any utopias it will in fact lead us the opposite direction via more and more concentration of wealth and power and more oppression. I dont think there's anyone reading this forum that doesnt agree with this to at least some extent, which it why its nice to hear woz calling for the execution of the people working on it. so, wait, before or after we execute woz?
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May 4, 2023 20:09
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Woz is right.
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May 4, 2023 20:10
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CoRrUptIon is just another term for shortening the feedback loop on basically any sort of western-style democracy companies dont do mandatory anti corruption trainings because they don't want contractors to get bribes they do it because they don't want you to receive the bribe
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May 4, 2023 20:11
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wait, ai "does some things"? disagree.
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May 4, 2023 20:11
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if the subway was nice richer peeps would take it. it isnt nice because all the poo poo, the trains, the stations, are decrepit and old. they are decrepit and old because they are multiple times more expensive than what the east asians get plenty of rich people take the subway though. not rich rich but bottom of the 1% rich sure. class avoidance is more of an issue for buses (and much of that is imo down to the buses being bad, if they were able to provide consistently better service I think you’d see wealthier people using them a lot) everything you said about price disease is true ofc
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May 4, 2023 20:12
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Shaggar posted:bicycles arent viable transportation for people who need to get to work or shop for groceries for their families or whatever else. they're toys for playing around and people should not ride their toys in the street where the actual vehicles are find a new gimmick
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May 4, 2023 20:12
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cf the stories about how companies freak out when somebody subcontracts their devops job to a guy in india and pockets half of it they don't pay you to get the job done they pay you so that you are scared of them not paying you
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May 4, 2023 20:12
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Carthag Tuek posted:wait, ai "does some things"? disagree. i appreciate this comeback a lot
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May 4, 2023 20:13
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Share Bear posted:find a new gimmick hasnt he been doing this since bush was president
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May 4, 2023 20:14
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Share Bear posted:find a new gimmick oh sorry i thought we were making jokes cause you recommended bicycles as transportation
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May 4, 2023 20:14
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4lokos basilisk posted:isn't the american problem more like needing to cover sprawling areas where you pretty much plop down more bus routes and more buses because the density for subway or light rail just does not exist density exists in select places but there's no will from city governments to invest in real infrastructure, let alone just infrastructure maintenance, in said areas. the suburban sprawl is its own issue but funding for that can come from the state which makes it more palatable for some
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May 4, 2023 20:15
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Shaggar posted:oh sorry i thought we were making jokes cause you recommended bicycles as transportation gently caress lol
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May 4, 2023 20:15
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bob dobbs is dead posted:hasnt he been doing this since bush was president
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May 4, 2023 20:15
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if seoul subways magically cost as much as manhattan subways the seoul subway would go to poo poo basically as fast and in the same way
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May 4, 2023 20:16
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eh, let's do a better apology: spent too much of my day arguing ethics with phd students (who were way more wrong than anyone here) and was in a bad mood. yospos being yospos do enjoy any brand of anti-technology you prefer. personally not going to start liking woz, but as far as vibes go i was in the wrong.
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May 4, 2023 20:17
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i appreciate this comeback a lot  Cybernetic Vermin posted:eh, let's do a better apology: spent too much of my day arguing ethics with phd students (who were way more wrong than anyone here) and was in a bad mood. yospos being yospos do enjoy any brand of anti-technology you prefer. nah youre right woz is a weirdo (cf wife/car keys) but imo in general calling for the guillotine is right and proper
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May 4, 2023 20:19
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hes a weirdo from organic brain damage from the plane crash
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May 4, 2023 20:20
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the bicycle remains the fastest form of transport in a dense city up to a radius of 8km. i.e. if your destination is closer than 8km, it is comparable or faster to bike instead of taking public transport or driving a car. from my personal experience this theory holds both in tokyo and paris
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May 4, 2023 20:21
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4lokos basilisk posted:the bicycle remains the fastest form of transport in a dense city up to a radius of 8km. i.e. if your destination is closer than 8km, it is comparable or faster to bike instead of taking public transport or driving a car. from my personal experience this theory holds both in tokyo and paris hell yea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXw_t172BKY
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May 4, 2023 20:25
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as much as i simp for motorcycles, if you're wearing the proper gear they're actually super time consuming. the only way southeast asia runs is on 125 bikes where nobody's wearing any protective gear. the answer is separated bicycle infrastructure where people can ride at 5-15mph with a simple helmet at most
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May 4, 2023 20:27
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a convincing breakdown on why subways in America were so comparatively expensive.
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May 4, 2023 20:27
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me neither, unfortunately. but thats why we cant have nice subways in america basically
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