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"There are three or four terrorists who care more about blowing up the Liberal Party than they do Daniel Andrews,'' frontbencher James Newbury said.
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May 4, 2023 09:34
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Avs gets banned for threats but the Vic liberals openly talking about needing to focus terrosist attacks against Dan Andrews
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May 4, 2023 09:55
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Electric Wrigglies posted:I don't think it is wafer thin as much as it is well within measurement error (!0.16% of the budget, immaterial from a budgeting point of view). easily done. first you send all your junk somewhere no one lives. then, you send all our recent arrivals there to sort it out and build a city. then you grift your mates in the top end of town the $1b bingo bango all done
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hambeet posted:easily done. But we already have a Canberra, why would we need a second?
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May 4, 2023 14:14
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Why go out for a second lobster?
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Eediot Jedi posted:Why go out for a second lobster? How else are you going to collect the brown paper bag?
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May 4, 2023 16:00
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Within the current system we need to start generating surpluses so we can start to reduce our interest bill. https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview202223/AustralianGovernmentDebt 18 billion a year (and rising) is a huge impost on our budget. Personally I'd: Renege on our foreign debt like so many other countries have with no consequence (Notably Brazil who will soon be in the G8). Abolish our military and collect the savings(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces). Reverse all the obvious contributors to our increasingly stupid structural deficit (Stage three tax cuts first). But I could call it the Free Sex Party and still nobody would vote for it.
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May 5, 2023 01:03
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Cartoon posted:Abolish our military and collect the savings(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces). Personally, I would just re-tool them to be first responders for climate emergencies.
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May 5, 2023 01:47
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If they abolished fuel subsidies to the mining and fossil fuel sector they'd save billions every year
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starkebn posted:If they abolished fuel subsidies to the mining and fossil fuel sector they'd save billions every year yeah but the free market would then cause those industries to fail and we cant have that.
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May 5, 2023 02:20
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Cartoon posted:Within the current system we need to start generating surpluses so we can start to reduce our interest bill. Depends. If that deficit spending hadn't happened, would government yearly revenue be less than 18 billion worse off?
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May 5, 2023 03:30
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our debt to gdp ratio is relatively small, it's not a serious issue lol
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May 5, 2023 03:35
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Yeah the debt and deficit rhetoric was strictly a stick used to beat Labor and immediately forgotten as soon as the LNP were in charge. Nobody takes it seriously and nobody serious believes in it. It also doesn't even matter if Labor post a surplus, the LNP will still scream debt and deficit and financial disaster and Labor Chaos.
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May 5, 2023 03:40
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RBA is predicting 4.5% unemployment rate, which they argue is necessary for the economy to function (and all economists agree you must have some unemployment or poo poo goes sideways). The government's own research has demonstrated that jobseeker is not enough to live on to the point of being a barrier to finding work. I still don't know how they can hold these two facts in their head at the same time. 4.5% of the potential working population is hosed and they do not give a single poo poo. By my calculations thats 603 000 people. I wish these 4.5% of people would resort to crime, specifically on these politicians and bankers. 603 000 people is enough for a pretty spectacular revolution. But I suppose of course most of them are unable to find work due to being disadvantaged, and this disadvantage is likely some form that makes it challenging for them to, for example, burn down parliament house. I am surprised how disappointed I am by Labor being poo poo now they're in power. I should know better, but in my defence, things did get slightly better in the K Rudd / Julia Gillard years. Looks like we're poo poo out of luck this time around, when these idiots are banging on about government budget surpluses ahead of an RBA induced recession, while simultaneously not reversing insane tax cuts for the rich and submarine deals that just make us alienate our most important trading partner.
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Splode posted:RBA is predicting 4.5% unemployment rate, which they argue is necessary for the economy to function (and all economists agree you must have some unemployment or poo poo goes sideways). A fearful pool of workers desperate to take any work for any pay regardless of the conditions is good for businesses bottom line.
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May 5, 2023 07:43
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Splode posted:RBA is predicting 4.5% unemployment rate, which they argue is necessary for the economy to function (and all economists agree you must have some unemployment or poo poo goes sideways). Labor will be fine, those drat Greenies better watch out for the Teal Wave 2.0!!!!!!
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Recoome posted:Labor will be fine, those drat Greenies better watch out for the Teal Wave 2.0!!!!!! You seem afraid.
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May 5, 2023 08:54
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Looking forward to a time where the Labor government can actually do something that isn't just implementing Morrison era policy tbh
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May 5, 2023 11:18
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I'm shocked that Labor is doing this. We need Hawk and Keating back, they knew what was best for workers.
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May 5, 2023 11:36
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Idk whether I'm shocked though, the ALP have been centrist for ages now and have been really gunning for the economic conservative but socially progressive vote for ages. Jim Chalmers IIRC is from the Right faction but I guess it's just amazing that Labor are tying themselves in knots to defend effectively indefensible tax cuts.
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May 5, 2023 11:42
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Recoome posted:Idk whether I'm shocked though, the ALP have been centrist for ages now and have been really gunning for the economic conservative but socially progressive vote for ages. Jim Chalmers IIRC is from the Right faction but I guess it's just amazing that Labor are tying themselves in knots to defend effectively indefensible tax cuts. lol that's literally the joke. hawk and keating sold out the workers to neoliberalism 40 years ago. why would it be shocking for labor to continue being neoliberal cunts? "less bad than the Liberals" doesn't mean they're not bad.
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May 5, 2023 11:45
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Sorry i wasn't old enough to be around for Hawke or Keating, all I got was a fistful of Howard and it's been downhill from there
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It's absolutely demented to act like there's some highly toxic political swamp that you fall into by cancelling or simply altering the stupid loving tax cuts. The argument I keep getting is "well $150k is seen as achievable by many people such as school principals" and I'm just like what are you talking about bitch
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Recoome posted:Idk whether I'm shocked though, the ALP have been centrist for ages now and have been really gunning for the economic conservative but socially progressive vote for ages. Jim Chalmers IIRC is from the Right faction but I guess it's just amazing that Labor are tying themselves in knots to defend effectively indefensible tax cuts. it's not like federal labor does anything much socially progressive these days either really. just incredibly mediocre all around with hawke & keating at least they significantly increased welfare payments despite all the other poo poo. labor currently have no ambition at all
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May 5, 2023 12:46
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lih posted:it's not like federal labor does anything much socially progressive these days either really. just incredibly mediocre all around Hawke and Keating were doing a cool new way and maybe you can credit them with a degree of naivety on top of their bad attributes. The new guys aren't naive they're either poo poo scared or bad. It's basically the exact same ministry as last time too which is a part of the problem.
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eh, if you don't think what Hawke and Keating delivered was overall good, you are just someone that fell for Alan Jones talking points. Labor is not a steal from the rich and give to the poor party, it is a structurally change the system to grow the pie and increase the size of the pie for the workers. Whether that is a bigger ratio to someone else's portion than before is somewhat beside the point (although to satisfy the crab buckets, it's always good optics to tell people you will give them part of someone else's slice of pie). The best example is superannuation. Decisions driving corporate governance are being more and more driven by industrial funds asking questions and demanding action on stakeholder issues beyond simple Net Asset Value/Free Cash Flow/Earnings Per Share/blah blah blah. That is almost entirely through Labor setting up mandatory Super contribution which means that large groups of people don't just have to rely on the vote and the nebulous impact on a particular issue, a grassroots campaign to take your collective bat and ball super out of a company can have impact on their decision making. Yes a cottage industry was set up for accountants and managers, the enemy - who lent money to evil capitalists, growing their slice of pie, but at the same time workers in Aus are far, far better off for the change with much much bigger slices of pie than early 80's (it's all relative too, it was a young population in the 80's without nearly the consideration for externalities such as the environment, first peoples or unintended consequences - much cheaper to achieve a certain quality of life than it is today).
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Electric Wrigglies posted:eh, if you don't think what Hawke and Keating delivered was overall good, you are just someone that fell for Alan Jones talking points. You're retarded. Cyas in a week or whatever.
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JBP posted:Hawke and Keating were doing a cool new way and maybe you can credit them with a degree of naivety on top of their bad attributes. The new guys aren't naive they're either poo poo scared or bad. It's basically the exact same ministry as last time too which is a part of the problem. Haha go on
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Electric Wrigglies posted:eh, if you don't think what Hawke and Keating delivered was overall good, you are just someone that fell for Alan Jones talking points. "Third way neoliberalism is good for workers" chirps credulous moron.
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Good News Everyone! Wages will surpass inflation next year according to Treasury. So no need to do anything about it. Like it did for every other year for the last 20.... Comstar fucked around with this message at 15:11 on May 5, 2023 |
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The good thing about the Stage 3 tax cuts is it makes every other waste of money fell small and unimportant by comparison. 220 million for a football stadium? Ha, they could build a hundred footy stadiums with those tax cuts and still have plenty of pocket change leftover, who cares.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:eh, if you don't think what Hawke and Keating delivered was overall good, you are just someone that fell for Alan Jones talking points. This is the funniest post made in Auspol in the longest time I can remember. well done! "structurally change the system to grow the pie"
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Recoome posted:Idk whether I'm shocked though, the ALP have been centrist for ages now and have been really gunning for the economic conservative but socially progressive vote for ages. Jim Chalmers IIRC is from the Right faction but I guess it's just amazing that Labor are tying themselves in knots to defend effectively indefensible tax cuts. American polling but wouldn't be surprised if it about tracked in Australia; 'economic conservative put socially progressive' is from all indications a demographic that literally does not exist.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:American polling but wouldn't be surprised if it about tracked in Australia; 'economic conservative put socially progressive' is from all indications a demographic that literally does not exist. They absolutely exist, I meet people like this all the time. They're generally just ignorant and believe what they're told about the economy, especially dumb household budget comparisons. This is a big chunk of the teal demographic for example - they want more women CEOs which is about as socially progressive and economic conservative as it gets.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:American polling but wouldn't be surprised if it about tracked in Australia; 'economic conservative put socially progressive' is from all indications a demographic that literally does not exist. They 100% exist and are now called Teals. Action on climate change - as long as it doesn't affect my stock portfolio's projected 5% growth this year
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Murderer to step down from Federal Politics. Stuart Roberts is out. Hopefully another bi-election loss for Mr Plod. The ghosts of the people he killed on centrelink will still be out there.
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