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fermun
Nov 4, 2009
my chapter completed its 4th successful salting campaign, unionizing alcatraz cruises (who handle the cruises to and around alcatraz as well as all tour guides on alcatraz) and now are helping them picket for their fight to get the captains and maintenance supervisors to be recognized as part of the bargaining unit (neither have hiring or firing power). the chapter also wrote a ballot measure for a vacancy tax on multiunit buildings last year and led the campaign that got it passed. we have a member that is a city supervisor and all of his office are DSA members and a lot of bad people get real mad, case in point:


the chapter has also been helping support a unionized starbucks in their fight for a contract as well as helping strike support for them because it seems that starbucks might not be operating in good faith. we have a few campaigns that are being worked on, trying to get the city to restore bus service to pre-covid service as well as to make it fare-free. that's what i can think of off the top of my head right now.

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The Lemondrop Dandy
Jun 7, 2007

If my memory serves me correctly...


Wedge Regret
We are deep in an anti-jail levy campaign right now and our YDSA has just submitted enough cards to get (our state) the first public university student workers union.

A whole lot more besides.

The Lemondrop Dandy has issued a correction as of 13:51 on Apr 11, 2023

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The Lemondrop Dandy posted:

We are deep in an anti-jail levy campaign right now and our YDSA has just submitted enough cards to get the first public university student workers union.

A whole lot more besides.

you mean in your state? There are definitely public university student workers unions, in NYC the CUNY student workers are part of DC37 iirc.

I haven't been too involved in DSA in my region, but I know one of the fully sick electeds Zohran is trying to get a comprehensive overhaul of NYC public transportation through the municipal govt which would make every subway line have trains running at every stop every 4 minutes and all bus routes free. God speed I love public transportation

The Lemondrop Dandy
Jun 7, 2007

If my memory serves me correctly...


Wedge Regret

In Training posted:

you mean in your state? There are definitely public university student workers unions, in NYC the CUNY student workers are part of DC37 iirc.

I haven't been too involved in DSA in my region, but I know one of the fully sick electeds Zohran is trying to get a comprehensive overhaul of NYC public transportation through the municipal govt which would make every subway line have trains running at every stop every 4 minutes and all bus routes free. God speed I love public transportation

Yup, in our state; edited original to reflect.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Civilized Fishbot posted:

We just got another alderman elected in Chicago, that's pretty cool

your alderman will suck biden's dick live on tv

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

Top City Homo posted:

your alderman will suck biden's dick live on tv

I don't think she would.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Fansy posted:

I don't think she would.

metaphorically speaking

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad"

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Top City Homo posted:

your alderman will suck biden's dick live on tv

Her job isn't to keep Joe biden's dick dry, it's to make Treatment not Trauma happen

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Top City Homo posted:

your alderman will suck biden's dick live on tv

Civilized Fishbot posted:

Her job isn't to keep Joe biden's dick dry, it's to make Treatment not Trauma happen

?

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

We elected her to do certain policies, the sole barometer of success is whether she does them

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Not a whole lot of Chicago knows what "Treatment not Trauma" concretely is supposed to be, and no one outside of Chicago knows the slogan. Maybe explain it?

Having an alderperson who isn't a literal puppet of developers in Uptown again is nice to see at the minimum.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Fansy posted:

Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad"

I went on her website and it doesn't say anywhere that she's a socialist. So is she a socialist?

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Atrocious Joe posted:

Not a whole lot of Chicago knows what "Treatment not Trauma" concretely is supposed to be, and no one outside of Chicago knows the slogan. .

I have total faith in their capacity to Google it


PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

I went on her website and it doesn't say anywhere that she's a socialist. So is she a socialist?

That's what she told DSA, but you can't give credence to what politicians say. What's consequential is that she's currently dependent on DSA for reelection and it's DSA's job to keep it that way

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
Clay is a socialist who ran against the Dem party favorite. Her opponent was endorsed by Pritzker, Schakowsky, et. al. The real estate industry dumped over a quarter million into copaganda over her defund statements.

We're also talking the 46th, the bane of Daley's and the Dem machine.

Also the left in Chicago is anchored by the CTU, not the DSA. Vasquez in the neighboring ward lost his DSA endorsement for kissing Lightfoot's rear end and did just fine.

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Fansy posted:

Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad"

I don’t even know who she is I just know that she will be taking the trodden path of AOCIA

The DSA is a hitlerite association of lumpenized democrat careerists and perverts

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

You can just call them liberals if you want to sound less insane

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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a hitlerite association of lumpenized democrat careerists and perverts

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Sounds like my wife.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Top City Homo posted:

The DSA is a hitlerite association of lumpenized democrat careerists and perverts

hell yeah

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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thinking about becoming a hitlerite democrat, seems like a bull market. maybe doing a little perversion on the side to pad the resume

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
nyc-dsa managed to help push the Build Public Renewables Act through the legislature, which i was frankly not too optimistic about but seems good

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

Top City Homo posted:

\
The DSA is a hitlerite association of lumpenized democrat careerists and perverts

been saying this!!

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

croup coughfield posted:

thinking about becoming a hitlerite democrat, seems like a bull market. maybe doing a little perversion on the side to pad the resume

The liberalism inherent here is that you believe that I am saying that many individuals voluntarily and consciously chose being hitlerite perverts rather than this being an organizational position in reality regardless of what individual members think

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
there are a lot of perverts in the dsa but i think that's probably true of any political organization regardless of ideology

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Fansy posted:

Do you have a specific critique of Clay or is this just "politician bad"

Glancing at her website the thing that really stood out to me is her idea to make the world famously bad Chigaco PD better is to rely on the Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability, which seems like it'll just be run be establishment Dems.
Also use of the term "Latinx". Seems like a left liberal at best.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

Weka posted:

Glancing at her website the thing that really stood out to me is her idea to make the world famously bad Chigaco PD better is to rely on the Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability, which seems like it'll just be run be establishment Dems.
Also use of the term "Latinx". Seems like a left liberal at best.

What sort of police oversight does your community have?

I'm sure some of the councilors are milquetoast dems, considering there are 66 of them, evenly spread throughout Chicago's segregated neighborhoods. Angela calling for "strengthening" the CCPSA I take as support of a future referendum giving them power to hire & fire cops and elect their own board.

https://twitter.com/CAARPRNow/status/1653780168249335808

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_oversight_in_Chicago

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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Fansy posted:

What sort of police oversight does your community have?

Civil service organization headed by a judge with 3 board members with the usual suspect type political appointees and a couple dozen staff formally but writ large it has a reasonably functioning society and public opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Conduct_Authority

There is a big difference between some and the majority being succ dems, and given it's Chicago I'm guessing it'll be an easy majority. Are you looking forward to gerrymandered police districts?
Where I live the most right wing party is further left than the democrat party and the furthest left party is still a neoliberal party so that's why I am skeptical about finding a left wing Chicago councilor rather than a pro idpol social democrat that wants some inevitably poorly implemented social programs to soften the worst aspects of American capitalism.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

The district council system Chicago just implemented is the bastard child of two trends: the movement for community control of police that has been pushed by activists since the Panthers, and another attempt by technocrats to rebrand "community policing" and widen the pool of police collaborators.

It's going to be something to watch it play out.

Some of the newly elected police council members from the West side are pushing for the former chief of counterterrorism to be the new head of CPD. I saw Driver, the head of the group searching for a new CPD head, get called racist for implying that Black residents and elected officials can't advocate for CPD officers they want to see in the top job.

quote:

“This is not a political campaign, so it’s not a popularity contest,” Driver told the Sun-Times.

“We’re looking for the person to do the job, so community members’ voices are very important and their voice will be at the forefront,” he added. “But if somebody has 5,000 supporters and another person has 20 [and] the person with 20 seems way more qualified, then that’ll create an issue.”

An online petition endorsing Ernest Cato III — the Chicago Police Department’s former chief of counterterrorism and a finalist in the last superintendent search — has already drawn more than 700 signatures.

The drive was launched by Alees Edwards, who was recently elected to the new Police District Council for the Harrison District, which is charged with helping nominate members to the commission.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/4/27/23701106/search-for-chicagos-next-top-cop-complicated-by-coordinated-efforts-to-boost-candidates

DSA isn't really in the drivers seat around this stuff, the Chicago left has plenty of other people to blame/praise for how this played out.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

Weka posted:

Civil service organization headed by a judge with 3 board members with the usual suspect type political appointees and a couple dozen staff formally but writ large it has a reasonably functioning society and public opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Conduct_Authority

There is a big difference between some and the majority being succ dems, and given it's Chicago I'm guessing it'll be an easy majority. Are you looking forward to gerrymandered police districts?
Where I live the most right wing party is further left than the democrat party and the furthest left party is still a neoliberal party so that's why I am skeptical about finding a left wing Chicago councilor rather than a pro idpol social democrat that wants some inevitably poorly implemented social programs to soften the worst aspects of American capitalism.

Interesting! I don't know anything about policing in New Zealand, but wouldn't you prefer elected oversight to appointed?

CDSA statement when it passed:
https://twitter.com/ChicagoDSA/status/1418006117729382404

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Civilized Fishbot posted:

That's what she told DSA, but you can't give credence to what politicians say. What's consequential is that she's currently dependent on DSA for reelection and it's DSA's job to keep it that way

Oh so she privately told the DSA that she's a socialist, but she doesn't put it on her website or anything. And if you say you don't like her here then losers and bozos are gonna say oh yeah why's that hotshot. Sounds like the dsa for sure.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
Clay's family has been here 80 years, I think they were in the rainbow coalition. Fred Hampton's buddies and other old cats came out to help the campaign.

She's spoken openly and publicly about socialism, and the real estate industry made sure everyone knew.

Fansy has issued a correction as of 02:50 on May 7, 2023

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

A general guiding principal - if you find yourself saying "prove why the person I like is bad," it probably means the person you like sucks. This is because of the implicit admission that it isn't possible to prove that they're good.

You'll also find that Democrats use the same reasoning - the people they like are presumed to be good by default.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Fansy posted:

Interesting! I don't know anything about policing in New Zealand, but wouldn't you prefer elected oversight to appointed?

Not really. What's the functional difference? The elected official appoints them so you get roughly the same ideological bent but (at least here where politics are less incredibly partisan) they don't have to engage in political crowd pleasing nonsense because their job is not on the line every few years.
I'm not sure how you think an elected board will help when the same people who vote in the mayor will vote in that board. Appreciate your being open to talk about this stuff.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Fansy posted:

Clay's family has been here 80 years, I think they were in the rainbow coalition. Fred Hampton's buddies and other old cats came out to help the campaign.

She's spoken openly and publicly about socialism, and the real estate industry made sure everyone knew.

Fred Hampton's minister of defense endorsed Vallas for mayor

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

Atrocious Joe posted:

Fred Hampton's minister of defense endorsed Vallas for mayor

https://twitter.com/CarlNyberg312/status/1638015153139490818

Conspiracies aside, if Rush legit went from a panther to a bloomberg supporter, it just shows that institutions are stronger than individuals. Ask the famous maoist, Van Jones.

Weka posted:

Not really. What's the functional difference? The elected official appoints them so you get roughly the same ideological bent but (at least here where politics are less incredibly partisan) they don't have to engage in political crowd pleasing nonsense because their job is not on the line every few years.
I'm not sure how you think an elected board will help when the same people who vote in the mayor will vote in that board. Appreciate your being open to talk about this stuff.

Here's a funny thing: Chicago's elections are non-partisan. Dems feared they were being pushed too far left by primaries, so they got rid of both parties.

I don't keep up enough to say for certain, but my guess is that activists pushed for elected rather than appointed as a check on power, since the commonly white-favored mayor doesn't care much about black & brown neighborhoods. Another possible factor: the FOP is rumored to blackmail and threaten mayors, which will be harder to do with 66 councilors, unless they all have secret girlfriends too.

There's a nice interactive map here, showing where anti-FOP candidates won a majority of the seats:
https://thetriibe.com/2023/03/ecps-coalition-wins-a-wide-majority-of-chicagos-new-police-district-council-seats/

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Apr 8, 2020
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they sent me this picture, and others.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
im the pickle rick

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Cuttlefush posted:

im the pickle rick

yep

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