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GD_American posted:I've got the original House books sitting in my bathroom reading pile, sonny I said Catalyst Game Labs sourcebooks, old man Also, fine, I'll bite. You want a Liao trilogy? Binding Force, Threads of Ambition, The Killing Fields.
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May 5, 2023 19:01
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:I said Catalyst Game Labs sourcebooks, old man the people look too much like people in the artwork
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May 5, 2023 19:01
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i should have never clicked on your ignored posts
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May 5, 2023 19:07
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GD_American posted:I mean eventually you have to read the Warrior Trilogy if you're getting into the setting, because they're the foundation of so much. But it's by no means good. Nah it's extremely skippable. The big change is the Sarna March, which is an area so unimportant that they are JUST NOW starting to get around to telling us about the campaign to take it back.
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May 5, 2023 19:22
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The only part of a battle tech book I remember from my childhood is one bit where I think a gladiator ends up a riot on the planet. I'm guessing it would've been on Solaris VII, but I mostly remember it specifying how many tons of armor were destroyed on each part of a mech by each shot and lmao.
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May 5, 2023 19:25
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Saint Celestine posted:What should I be focusing on for a 10k list vs clans? Signal boosting this out of curiosity My initial thought is Clans love their LPL and ERPPC bullshit so run at their face?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:i should have never clicked on your ignored posts a bloo bloo bloo Defiance Industries posted:Nah it's extremely skippable. The big change is the Sarna March, which is an area so unimportant that they are JUST NOW starting to get around to telling us about the campaign to take it back. True, I guess by now I should narrow it down to "if your timezone of interest is the 4SW".
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May 5, 2023 19:29
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As many JRF-7s as you can. Sprint like a motherfucker and get them in the back and outnumber the hell out of them as your force gets oneshotted if they hit Something with like 7 jump jets is probably even better for TMM.
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May 5, 2023 19:31
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Marx Headroom posted:Signal boosting this out of curiosity That was my experience last time. I was thinking either a partial C3 lance of - 1x challenger MBT (master) 1x Awesome (slave) scout helicopters (slave) + additional units Idea is to have some relatively cheap snipers with reduced range penalty OR Just overwhelm with a bunch of mediums/heavies.
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May 5, 2023 19:39
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ilmucche posted:The only part of a battle tech book I remember from my childhood is one bit where I think a gladiator ends up a riot on the planet. That's Illusions of Victory. It came out during the very final days of FASA when editing was basically nonexistent, to the point where there's a whole sidebar in the FedCom Civil War sourcebook going "hey so if you read some things in older books that didn't make sense with what's in this book it's because those people were tricked."
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Saint Celestine posted:What should I be focusing on for a 10k list vs clans? Good units for Anti-Clan work: - Cheap zombies like the AWS-8Q or AWS-9Q Awesome to march up the center and hold attention. The Awesome has the range to dish it out and is only 1,600-1,800 BV. Bring a pair, keep them together. - Something to make the OpForce think twice about just rushing your Awesomes, like a Hunchback; but a Blitzkrieg can pull double duty as a potential flanker. - Inexpensive backstabbers with decent damage potential like the Jenner or Javelin, or a swarm of low-damage trash like Locusts and Spiders (enough that losing a few won't hurt) - Gauss rifle carrying units like the Cerberus or, better yet, a pair of Hollanders (or better yet, if vehicles are allowed, a pair of Yellow Jackets). - Something with a large pulse laser to deal with the occasional Fire Moth (but only if you can squeeze it in cheeply). Fortunately most regular Clan players will get destracted by all the shiny toys the heavies offer and don't realize the Fire Moth D is broken AF. Bad units for Anti-Clan work: - Fast medium jumpy backstabbers like the Wraith and Phoenix Hawk (you're better off using Spiders or Ostscouts. You can afford to let a 622 BV Spider die, but a Wraith is two Spiders you didn't bring). Fast medium jumpers are dangerous enough that they'll get focused and killed by any reasonable player. So, quick sample force: 2 AWS-9Q Awesomes (1875 BV x2 = 3750 BV) 1 BTZ-3F Blitzkrieg (1273 BV) 2 BZK-F3 Hollanders (953 BV x2 = 1906 BV) 3 SDR-5V Spiders (622 BV x3 = 1866 BV) That's eight 'Mechs, for a total of 8795 BV So then you've got some options to use the remaining BV. You could drop a Spider for a second Blitzkrieg, or for a pair of Panthers or a pair of Sentinels for added annoyance factor (Panthers and Sentinels are pretty good escorts for the Awesomes). You could also try to get a fast response pulse laser unit for dealing with light 'Mechs if your opponent is prone to bringing those. Trading a Spider for a pair of Venoms would be my personal suggestion since they can easily catch most anything that isn't a Fire Moth and can pull double duty as backstabbers provided they don't get murdered by Clan Large Pulse Lasers. You could also do something fun with UM-AIV Urbanmechs (the Arrow IV variant) and trading the Spiders for OTT-9S Ostscouts, but you're sacrificing their backstab potential for Arrow IVs so if you go this route be ready to make a few random kick or punch attacks as the situation warrants. Edit: You could also laugh at the idea of trying to engage the Clans and bring 7 Blitzkriegs (8911 BV) and a Hollander. I call that the Defiance Industries method. Double Edit: There's also the Word of Blake approach. 2 C-ANG-OA Archangel Dominus (2134 BV x2 = 4268 BV). There are few things more frustrating to fight than an Archangel and you have two of them supporting each other. 4 GUR-8G Gurkhas (1229 BV x4 = 4916 BV) Or whatever else floats your boat instead of the Gurkhas that costs under 1300 BV and carries C3i. This is a full C3i Level 1 right here. You've got about about a thousand BV left over to make everyone VDNI cyborgs, or you can drop a Gurkha for extra Mechwarrior upgrades. Triple Edit: You could also bring three Great Turtles if you like the idea of definitely dying eventually but seeing how many turns it takes the other guy to actually successfully pull that off. 
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I’m gonna continue to never read the fiction, rarely play classic Battletech, but keep buying painting and playing Alpha Strike. It’s me, the anti-grog.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Good units for Anti-Clan work: Thats very helpful. Alot of models I don't have though. I do have an archangel though, so definitely going to try that out.
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May 5, 2023 20:57
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BattleTech isn't a WYSIWYG game. It's OK to proxy as long as you know what's what and your opponent can tell them apart. I wouldn't expect anyone to shell out money for minis that don't have plastic models yet, and we may never get a plastic Archangel.
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I’ve never even heard of the most hardened turbo-nerd complaining that the load out on a mini isn’t what’s on the sheet. As far as grogginess goes, BT is fairly light in terms of TT minis
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WYSIWYG is an enormous red flag. Anyone who tries to do it is just saving you time by telling you to dump their game.
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at our table, chassis must be the same but you can use any variant. we're 95%+ 3d printed minis tho
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FishFood posted:There's a sizable number of guys in my local scene who are honest-to-god VSD fans and are actively angry at the extremely fictional character Katrina Steiner and it boggles my mind. Like, I get mad at Stackpole when I read Katrina chapters because I'm being so blatantly and clumsily manipulated, but these guys just lap it up. It makes me feel insane. Most of my friends are all people who think a lot about media and storytelling and so encountering such uncritical consumption in the wild has been a bit of a shock. of 80's US media bullshit baked in at the start. Most of villains act exactly as you would expect an 80's action movie villain to act, and Katrina Steiner is the most interesting one for much of the game's history simply because she's not a racist stereotype or a religious cultist or both at the same time.
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Defiance Industries posted:WYSIWYG is an enormous red flag. Anyone who tries to do it is just saving you time by telling you to dump their game. The biggest red flag I've ever seen was making any miniatures (made by their company) painted with another company's paints ineligible for any tournament. Not hard to guess who.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:at our table, chassis must be the same but you can use any variant. we're 95%+ 3d printed minis tho This was the rule at the AS tournament done by Fortress Games/Minis. Right chassis, whatever variant, you could bring 2 of the same chassis if you wanted (but they had to be different variants regardless). Dr. Lunchables posted:I’m gonna continue to never read the fiction, rarely play classic Battletech, but keep buying painting and playing Alpha Strike. It’s me, the anti-grog. This is The Way 
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GD_American posted:The biggest red flag I've ever seen was making any miniatures (made by their company) painted with another company's paints ineligible for any tournament. How the gently caress do you even tell? I do like the idea of running 2x Awesomes, or 2x Archangels. I will try that if I face clans again. I do want to give my melee lance a try though so will run 1x berserker BRZ-C3 (C3 slave) 1x nightstar 9SS 1x challenger mbt XI (C3 master) 1x wraith TR1 1x archangel Infernus if I play against a "normal" IS list Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 5, 2023 |
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Saint Celestine posted:How the gently caress do you even tell? I have no clue. I'm guessing someone at a Golden Demon was too honest when someone asked how they got that color on their submission, and someone from GW overheard.
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Saint Celestine posted:How the gently caress do you even tell? Ninja: it is the company I'm thinking of.
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GD_American posted:The biggest red flag I've ever seen was making any miniatures (made by their company) painted with another company's paints ineligible for any tournament. lmfao
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GD_American posted:The biggest red flag I've ever seen was making any miniatures (made by their company) painted with another company's paints ineligible for any tournament. Why would anyone even play GW poo poo Find a findom or something.
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Arquinsiel posted:When you get right down to it this is a low-mid effort pulpy setting with a fuckton I actually like the Red Duke as a villain: he can twirl a moustache with the best of them, but his motives are understandable and focused. He isn't scheming about how to destroy our intrepid heroes, they're just in the way of his goals. He isn't really a racist stereotype, but he is pretty Dracula-esque: powerful, aloof, mysterious. His name, Hassid Ricol, implies a mixed ethnic origin that's far enough in the future that its relation to modern ethnic groups is kind of irrelevant. His ethnicity is "Inner Sphere Nobility". Also he wears a bright red cape and I dig that.
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PoptartsNinja posted:we may never get a plastic Archangel.  This calls for some sort of violent religious tantrum!!
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I paid real American money to get the Archangel modeled and rigged for Living Legends. The funny thing is that it translates perfectly to the game environment, it works exactly the same as tabletop. Even the huge fax machine side torsos work as shields - the devs implemented the compact engine as a reduced damage transfer rate from a destroyed side or rear torso to an intact center. I wanted it really bad because it’s such a weird marginal design - you’re paying a huge premium for an undergunned zombie that doesn’t really display its strengths until it’s nearly dead anyway. Arguably that’s a lot worse way to spend cbills than on yet another gauss boating huge pod space Omni, but that’s why I wanted it, it’s interesting instead of optimal. MWLL is objective driven and uses a lot of combined arms, so having a mech that you either need to focus down first (to get it out of the way while you still have lots of firepower) or last (because it’s such a pain in the rear end to kill, so you’re better off shooting your opponent’s shooters instead) is pretty useful when you’re taking a big fight over an objective. Plus you can use the jets and wide torsos to bodyblock strafing ASFs.
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I also like painting mechs more than playing. It wasn't until recently I actually started playing the tabletop version of BT. Only started to get more into it after a certain other company made it prohibitively expensive to play their tabletop game. Anyways, I am working on painting up an "urban warfare company" for my ComGuards. Any suggestions on what mechs I should add? I've got a Banshee and Crab coming already. Heres what I have currently 
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FishFood posted:I actually like the Red Duke as a villain: he can twirl a moustache with the best of them, but his motives are understandable and focused. He isn't scheming about how to destroy our intrepid heroes, they're just in the way of his goals. He isn't really a racist stereotype, but he is pretty Dracula-esque: powerful, aloof, mysterious. His name, Hassid Ricol, implies a mixed ethnic origin that's far enough in the future that its relation to modern ethnic groups is kind of irrelevant. His ethnicity is "Inner Sphere Nobility". Also he wears a bright red cape and I dig that.
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PoptartsNinja posted:How to fight clans post This was really interesting to read. As someone who doesn't know much beyond the most basic of introtech and HBS battletech what do you mean by this bit?
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These look fuckin sweet, nice job!
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ilmucche posted:This was really interesting to read. As someone who doesn't know much beyond the most basic of introtech and HBS battletech what do you mean by this bit? SA forums poster Defiance Industries really likes the Blitzkrieg.
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GD_American posted:The biggest red flag I've ever seen was making any miniatures (made by their company) painted with another company's paints ineligible for any tournament. Wait, when and where did THAT happen?
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PoptartsNinja posted:SA forums poster Defiance Industries really likes the Blitzkrieg. It's produced by rival company Coventry Metal Works but game recognizes game.
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I was hoping for a comparative essay on Battletech manufacturer design philosophies, ngl
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Kesper North posted:I was hoping for a comparative essay on Battletech manufacturer design philosophies, ngl Well... there is Quikscell... So like, imagine if you were to buy your fighter from AliExpress instead of Lockmart, thats Quikscell. https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Quikscell_Company
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Comstar posted:Wait, when and where did THAT happen? GW only started running tournaments outside of Warhammer World a couple years ago after ~20 years of not doing tournaments at all so I'm gonna guess a long-rear end time ago if it ever happened at all.
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