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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Yeah, the Terminology Of The Imperium section at the end of the first book lists it as the third planet of the Canopus system, which is a white giant - meaning its habitable zone is between 45 and 68 light seconds (Earth is 8 light seconds). NDT voice Actualllllllyyyyyyyy Earth is eight light minutes from the Sun. It would be cool to have this MASSIVE white star in the sky, no idea what the habitable zone would be, but something else said it's also emitting x-rays and probably would tidally lock the planet, so just generally a sucky day(that never ends/begins) for everyone. edit: nooo not a new page shiiiiiiiit
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AlternateAccount posted:NDT voice Canopus' habitable zone is like 100 AU out, ie. 100 times the distance between the Earth and the Sun - which combined with Canopus being "only" 71 times bigger than our Sun, ends up meaning it's visually smaller. I'm too tired to work out the luminosity difference, but I'm pretty sure it'd be much brighter. It's no wonder the Fremen avoided daytime; Riddick would feel right at home. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:24 on May 5, 2023 |
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May 5, 2023 22:20
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Yeah, I hosed up both on remembering our distance to the Sun and the maths. It's about 10,000 times more luminous than the Sun, that's why its habitable zone is so far out.
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DarkSol posted:It's about 10,000 times more luminous than the Sun, that's why its habitable zone is so far out.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Isn't there a square cube law to account for, though? Inverse squared law for light falloff, yeah. But even with it, it’d be super bright.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Isn't there a square cube law to account for, though? The formula that I found is: Avg. Habitable Zone Distance = (Lstar/L☉)0.5 Since Canopus is 10,000 times more luminous than the Sun... it's just 100000.5, which equals 100 AU. The maximum and minimum habitable zone radii are calculated by the multiplying the average habitable zone distance by the factors 0.95 and 1.37, respectively. So, Arrakis would be somewhere between 95 and 137 AU away from Canopus.
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If you guys are patient for a slow burn hard sci-fi series that is very preoccupied with suns and their habitable distance from planets, TenCent put the entire Three Body Problem series on YouTube for free https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMX26aiIvX5rFSYPXtcqda3tWd6pGVD5Q VR simulations of weird Solar orbits happen in episodes 7-16
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Steve Yun posted:If you guys are patient for a slow burn hard sci-fi series that is very preoccupied with suns and their habitable distance from planets, TenCent put the entire Three Body Problem series on YouTube for free How close to the source material is it? Is it good? What are your thoughts on it?
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DarkSol posted:How close to the source material is it? Is it good? What are your thoughts on it? Very close to the source material Fair warning: a lot of the goons in TVIV thought it was slow or boring or badly acted, but I’m used to melodramatic acting in Asian tv shows/movies and liked it a lot Seeing a computer made of millions of people raising flags to simulate logic gates was wild One complaint: they left out the part of the old lady’s back story where her dad was killed by the Cultural Revolution, I thought it was important to her motivation Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 04:16 on May 6, 2023 |
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I gave up watching maybe a third of the way through. Cheap production values, melodramatic acting, and repetitive exposition killed it for me. Just read the book imo. Netflix will also have an adaptation this year. Run by the GoT guys though so… dunno how good it will be. It’s also centering the entire story in the west with a western cast… which will affect a lot of the story. Kinda thought we’ve had enough international hits in recent years to be beyond needing a white cast for every western adaptation…
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Bugblatter posted:I gave up watching maybe a third of the way through. Cheap production values, melodramatic acting, and repetitive exposition killed it for me. Just read the book imo. narrator: don't read the book, it's terrible* *yes, even that bit
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sebmojo posted:narrator: don't read the book, it's terrible* Oh, is it? People speak so well of the book that I thought maybe the show just failed the execution. I guess the book is just well regarded because it’s the first place some readers encountered the theories it’s based on?
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sebmojo posted:narrator: don't read the book, it's terrible* shut the gently caress up Three Body Problem rules Bugblatter posted:I gave up watching maybe a third of the way through. Cheap production values, melodramatic acting, and repetitive exposition killed it for me. Just read the book imo. death by firing squad
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AnEdgelord posted:shut the gently caress up Three Body Problem rules it has a few cool set pieces, a neat beginning with the cultural revolution part, and an arrestingly different cultural viewpoint. against that it's characters are bland and crude, the setup is absurdly contrived to bring about the point the writer wants to make, the writing is incredibly clunky (maybe translation, but that's the version i'm talking about) and the women in it are barely even cartoons some books like china mievilles I can see it's good, just not for me, 3 body has some good bits but so, so much sludge that goes along with it.
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I watched like 3 vids trying to explain that series and still have no idea wtf its even about
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FBS posted:please don't try to film God Emperor tia I mostly think the first three books are the main 'point'. It's basically noble origin story, and then every work after taking more and more off the shine of it. Great, you've raised an army of religious zealots. Problem: You've raised an army of religious zealots. Ok, now you are in charge of all humanity. Enjoy knowing, with metaphysical certainty, the cost of what it takes to keep those ravening assholes alive in perpetuity. No wonder our boy dips. And then Children, where the cost finally is paid. Paul's journey ends with his children having to take up the horror of what prescience demands to keep humanity alive. His legacy is the jihad, and the God-Emperor. Who will never, ever die and be released from his suffering. Four is just playing that out, and it's interesting but a bit messier. It works as a character study of Leto II, but it's a bit weaker in the margins. And then vast swaths of the next two books are just "These evil women are subduing us with their powerful gently caress muscles, but we've cloned an Idaho that dicks so good it controls them.". And it's like.....I think you ran out of anything interesting to say a few books back bud. e: In my heart though? While I know 4 on wouldn't make good movies I would love to see someone try. Mulva fucked around with this message at 08:19 on May 6, 2023 |
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sebmojo posted:some books like china mievilles I can see it's good, just not for me, 3 body has some good bits but so, so much sludge that goes along with it. A lot of bad opinion for one sentence
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sebmojo posted:...and the women in it are barely even cartoons Dunno if the book is as bad, but some of the casually sexist statements in the show made my jaw drop.
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Failed Imagineer posted:A lot of bad opinion for one sentence Did you get to the second book where a character makes up an imaginary girlfriend/slave for himself and leaves his wife to go live in the country with his head-slave? sebmojo posted:some books like china mievilles I can see it's good, just not for me, 3 body has some good bits but so, so much sludge that goes along with it. What’s the deal with Mieville? He’s on my to-read list as an author who might be adjacent to Jeff VanderMeer, who I like a fair bit.
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Mieville's biggest weakness as a writer is that he tends to get distracted by his cool world-building and go chasing after that as opposed to focusing on things like "plot" and "character". That said, his world-building is very good and cool and he writes some of the best prose in the genre. Perdido Street Station and The Scar are his two best books, IMO. If you only read one of them, make it The Scar. You may get people trying to recommend you The City and the City or Embassytown as the first book of his to read, and while both of them are good, they are Advanced Mieville. EDIT: Oh, he is also a no-poo poo Marxist, like wrote his PhD thesis and multiple non-fiction books on the field and that very much influences his work. 1stGear fucked around with this message at 13:32 on May 6, 2023 |
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Jewmanji posted:Did you get to the second book where a character makes up an imaginary girlfriend/slave for himself and leaves his wife to go live in the country with his head-slave? You mean the guy who is explicitly called out as being a psychopath in the opening of the book and is directly chastised for abusing his position as a Wallfacer?
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AnEdgelord posted:You mean the guy who is explicitly called out as being a psychopath in the opening of the book and is directly chastised for abusing his position as a Wallfacer? So hard to suss out who in these books are psychopaths based on the fact that they all act like chess pieces.
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1stGear posted:Mieville's biggest weakness as a writer is that he tends to get distracted by his cool world-building and go chasing after that as opposed to focusing on things like "plot" and "character". That said, his world-building is very good and cool and he writes some of the best prose in the genre. Yeah that's well put. He writes beautifully, his ideas are amazing, but the actual novels are just those things banging against each other until the ending arrives. Many positive qualities, I just find him (and I've only read Perdido and the kraken) annoying.
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banned from Starbucks posted:I watched like 3 vids trying to explain that series and still have no idea wtf its even about What if every culture in the universe has the same outlook as white guys who open carry at chuck-e-cheese’s for fear that another person might just start blasting at any moment
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:What if every culture in the universe has the same outlook as white guys who open carry at chuck-e-cheese’s for fear that another person might just start blasting at any moment lol. Best summation of the dark forest hypothesis I’ve ever read. My impression of the miniseries was that it might seem kind of neat if you’re never read about the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi Paradox, or fascinating if you aren’t aware of three body orbital solutions. But if you have, it was really dumb… and you’d probably be more entertained just reading the theorems than watching the show regardless. It would take substantially less time. Would scientists encountering the shooter and farmer hypothesis kill theirselves in response? No, because it’s something anyone in relevant fields has been aware of for decades, and they aren’t committing mass suicides. None of the people in that series felt like they were written by someone who had encountered other humans… maybe the book is better.
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I read the book and couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. I honestly thought maybe I had read the wrong book. Are standards lower? Was it just a successful marketing campaign? I found the ending unsatisfying as well. Jewmanji posted:What’s the deal with Mieville? He’s on my to-read list as an author who might be adjacent to Jeff VanderMeer, who I like a fair bit. His prose is good and he has a flair for world-building and horror, but he has a tendency to be long-winded.* Perdido Street Station, The Scar, and The City and the City are probably his best novels. The City and the City is a bit lighter and set in a fictional Balkan country on Earth. *Iron Council is actually shorter than Perdido Street Station but it felt interminable. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:49 on May 6, 2023 |
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Mieville short stories are pretty solid, too, or at least Looking For Jake was. You avoid most of his weaknesses in shorter form. You either get the good prose without the narrative being over-encumbered by too much world building, or else you get the good world building without the narrative being distracted by any plot.
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I think you're confusing RailSea and Iron Council. Edit: gently caress, beaten. I quite like RailSea, but it's a slightly odd perspective on YA fiction. UnLunDun is a bit eh how's it going, but he's writing a critical response to Gaiman so that was always going to be the case. Kraken is good, and much better at doing the exact same thing.
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FBS posted:please don't try to film God Emperor tia Oops, I was trying to make a sandwich but filmed God Emperor by mistake.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Interesting, I would have gone the other way around, because Embassytown and C&C don't really connect to the mythos of the other books, and are high-concept in a way I found very accessible once you click into it I had the opposite experience: C&C was almost impenetrable to me because I kept getting caught on the bizarreness of a setting that was nominally supposed to be in the real world. Conversely, Perdido and Scar ease you into their fantasy stuff, possibly too much in Perdido's case. You'd miss out some stuff if you started with Scar (mostly making it really clear how much a bunch of bastards New Crobuzon are), but I don't think it'd be that hard to follow.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I think you're confusing RailSea and Iron Council. EmbassyTown deserves more love. It’s an incredibly original piece of sci fi. Still wanna know what the gently caress a “gift wing” is.
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iron council is the best of the three bas-lag books loving punished irulan
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1stGear posted:I had the opposite experience: C&C was almost impenetrable to me because I kept getting caught on the bizarreness of a setting that was nominally supposed to be in the real world. Conversely, Perdido and Scar ease you into their fantasy stuff, possibly too much in Perdido's case. You'd miss out some stuff if you started with Scar (mostly making it really clear how much a bunch of bastards New Crobuzon are), but I don't think it'd be that hard to follow. I thought that The City and The City was clearly modeled on Slavic Christian and Turkish Muslim coexistence in the Balkans. It's some pretty straightforward exploring real social phenomena through the distant lens of science fiction. Two peoples that insist they are different and behave as if that's their most important taboo when they are literally the same city and the same people.
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Arglebargle III posted:I thought that The City and The City was clearly modeled on Slavic Christian and Turkish Muslim coexistence in the Balkans. It's some pretty straightforward exploring real social phenomena through the distant lens of science fiction. Two peoples that insist they are different and behave as if that's their most important taboo when they are literally the same city and the same people. I don't have any knowledge of that, so that would probably explain why I slid off the book.
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FBS posted:looks like she did her own bangs How did a still of the Shrike from SYFY's cancelled adaptation of Hyperion Cantos end up in the DUNC trailer?
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exmarx posted:iron council is the best of the three bas-lag books Boy hope this wasn't too snug of a fit.
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