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Confusedslight posted:Does anyone know of any good youtube channels/documentaries that are worth checking out that share a similar vibe to this thread? if you're looking for doom vibes: https://youtube.com/@collapsechronicles5708
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May 7, 2023 11:29
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as for more serious content, planet critical, club of rome, and nate hagens have a ton of collapse/overshoot/extinction long form interviews and stuff.
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May 7, 2023 11:31
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Confusedslight posted:Does anyone know of any good youtube channels/documentaries that are worth checking out that share a similar vibe to this thread? Climate Town is good if you ignore the “write your senators!!” cope at the end of each episode
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May 7, 2023 12:46
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https://chrisryan.substack.com/p/549-charlie-zender-climate-scientist#details A two hour podcast discussion with Charlie Zander, climate scientist at UC Irvine. A good listen but probably most thread readers already know what he's going to tell us.
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May 7, 2023 14:20
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one of the more interesting elements of this moment/era is that no, there really aren't any good media properties doing it well. it perfectly fits in our blindspot of "too depressing for advertising funded distribution and too depressing for social/viral distribution". thats why you get mostly inane/insane copium out of ad funded venues and the occasional artistic exploration of depression like 'nature abhors a dome'. appletv just recently blew truckloads of cash on having a lot of very concerned writers and celebrities try to tell stories about what it could be like and it turned into a muddled, confusing, almost spastic mess. we literally can't articulate it right now. the closest you can get is the first half of ministry for the future and then just spiritually 'mans search for meaning'.
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May 7, 2023 14:50
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somewhere in the metaverse zoomer herzog is building a gorilla tag map that does it justice
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May 7, 2023 15:07
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articulating the pathos of a dying planet in fortnite
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May 7, 2023 15:11
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Thanks! These look interesting and will check them all out. This point in human history is so fascinating and the "unprecedented" poo poo that has happened and will continue to happen is mind numbing. I just take solace in the fact were not dealing with this collapse alone. Because unless things change dramatically and now it's a coming. fake edit: I hate how crazy this post sounds but oh well!
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May 7, 2023 15:12
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Stereotype posted:that's also just to offset the carbon being emitted right now. carbon capture uses a ton of energy, like 1.2MWh per ton of co2 captured. coal produces about 1.15 MWh per ton of co2. the good news is that natural gas produces 2MWh per ton. so we need to build more like 10,000, and also 5000 more natural gas plants lol i always wondered about the energy cost of carbon capture. i figured it'd be significant due to the necessity of filtering it out from the air and then compressing it into a high pressure underground reservoir, but i didn't think it'd be that high. i mean at that point they might as well just try to convert it back to solid carbon and store that; hell, they can even burn that carbon again afterwards to produce power because why not. if you're gonna pretend that carbon capture is viable then you might as well pretend that thermodynamics and conservation of energy don't exist and do as much stupid poo poo as you want
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May 7, 2023 15:19
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Are we talking about the world's largest carbon capture facility? I heard it just opened in iceland.
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May 7, 2023 15:36
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:lol i always wondered about the energy cost of carbon capture. i figured it'd be significant due to the necessity of filtering it out from the air and then compressing it into a high pressure underground reservoir, but i didn't think it'd be that high. i mean at that point they might as well just try to convert it back to solid carbon and store that; hell, they can even burn that carbon again afterwards to produce power because why not. if you're gonna pretend that carbon capture is viable then you might as well pretend that thermodynamics and conservation of energy don't exist and do as much stupid poo poo as you want The one in Iceland is geothermal, the only reason it is viable.
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May 7, 2023 15:49
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:if you're gonna pretend that carbon capture is viable then you might as well pretend that thermodynamics and conservation of energy don't exist and do as much stupid poo poo as you want
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May 7, 2023 15:50
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May 7, 2023 15:57
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Cromulent_Chill posted:The one in Iceland is geothermal, the only reason it is viable.
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May 7, 2023 16:03
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nuclear plants generate a lot of waste heat, which is manageable when you’re only building a handful for power generation but would become an issue if you wanted to begin mass producing them to power carbon capture
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May 7, 2023 16:07
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:Would nuclear not work for these? They would, China is the only country I can see able to build nuclear plants as the rest of the world devolves into the last bastions of grift. I don't think China would just do it on their own, the biosphere collapse led destabilization other countries will not affect them as harshly due to their aggressive development. In the west the only way to sell carbon capture is if the energy generation is a profit source for O&G. Edit: also the above that I did not consider.
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May 7, 2023 16:34
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cat botherer posted:Yeah, pretending thermodynamics isn't real is key to the success direct air capture. Simply put, it's a non-serious idea, and its proponents lie on a Venn diagram of science illiteracy and cynical evil. carbon capture and DAC in particular makes sense, but only after we've completely stopped using fossil fuels and otherwise have a non-carbon economy. so of course, we instead are focusing on doing CCS so we have an excuse to burn more fossil fuels
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May 7, 2023 17:19
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i have a general belief that the world will never be as dramatic as the linear trends appear to be headed, because there will be reactions and changes, I just think the most plausible outcomes are usually correlated to just how loving dumb they would be. for instance, i think the price of solar is going to drop so far that e-fuels actually do become cost competitive with fracking/tar-sands/inland-distribution, but that that just means we'll do both. or more likely, the more organized and regulated g20 economies will switch to efuels, while vast swathes of the rest of humanity just keep on burning oil. often because the international market has gotten away from them but they can still just use it themselves. like i think we're likely to turn the corner and cut emissions from 40Gt/yr down to like 25, and then spool up like 2-3 Gt of DAC, 2-3Gt of CCS, and ~5Gt of land-use, collectively offsetting us down to ~15Gt/year.... and then just continuing to do that for decades and decades. Ensuring ~2.5+. One thing is for sure, everytime some blowhard stemlord tells you about thermodynamics or the glory of the atom you know the worlds gonna ignore that guy.
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May 7, 2023 17:49
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MightyBigMinus posted:One thing is for sure, everytime some blowhard stemlord tells you about thermodynamics or the glory of the atom you know the worlds gonna ignore that guy. cat botherer has issued a correction as of 18:07 on May 7, 2023 |
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May 7, 2023 17:52
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Cromulent_Chill posted:They would, China is the only country I can see able to build nuclear plants as the rest of the world devolves into the last bastions of grift. I don't think China would just do it on their own, the biosphere collapse led destabilization other countries will not affect them as harshly due to their aggressive development. In the west the only way to sell carbon capture is if the energy generation is a profit source for O&G. https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/water-scarcity-challenges-china-s-development-model Dystopia Barbarian has issued a correction as of 20:10 on May 7, 2023 |
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May 7, 2023 18:04
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MightyBigMinus posted:One thing is for sure, everytime some blowhard stemlord tells you about thermodynamics or the glory of the atom you know the worlds gonna ignore that guy. stupid people like you who got played by fossil fuel companies are why climate change is as severe as it is
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May 7, 2023 18:06
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i assure you at no point has my opinion had any bearing on anything
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May 7, 2023 18:09
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cat botherer posted:Yeah, pretending thermodynamics isn't real is key to the success direct air capture. i wish i remembered enough thermodynamics to compute what the absolute minimum energy required for separating 420ppm out of air is based on entropy alone
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May 7, 2023 18:11
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MightyBigMinus posted:appletv just recently blew truckloads of cash on having a lot of very concerned writers and celebrities try to tell stories about what it could be like and it turned into a muddled, confusing, almost spastic mess. this is disproportionately an american liberal problem because the culture is incapable of dealing with unsolvable predicaments. L'Effondrement, the water knife, american war, parable of the sower all articulate the midcentury experience well
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May 7, 2023 18:18
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even then if you let them come up with a magic solution like time travel or carbon capture, you can get stuff like the first act of interstellar, which is actually a pretty good take on the back half of the century
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May 7, 2023 18:23
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:China is actually turbofucked because of the looming water crisis there. xi will fix it
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May 7, 2023 18:24
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Wheeee posted:stupid people like you who got played by fossil fuel companies are why climate change is as severe as it is lol at blaming environmentalists for the failures of the nuclear industry. please don't pay attention to how we keep breaking nuclear reactors by cheaping out on maintenance. and deffo dont look at how much price gouging happens during nuclear construction. nope, it must be those evil hippies.
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May 7, 2023 18:28
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Reading Fathoms: The World in a Whale right now and im about 40% in but its really really eco doomer and well written. Mostly about how humans totally loving decimated the whale population by 99.7% in around 100 years and it goes some into how whales are basically their own carbon sinks and have a real affect on climate. But also the psychological implication of "why do we suddenly give a poo poo after we murdered them this hard" and the psychology of caring about endangered species.
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May 7, 2023 18:30
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:i wish i remembered enough thermodynamics to compute what the absolute minimum energy required for separating 420ppm out of air is based on entropy alone well, using existing technologies we're doing between .1 and .25 Mtoe/MtCO2. no i will not be converting between million tones of oil equivalent and a useful unit.  https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/specific-energy-consumption-for-co2-capture-using-current-dac-technologies
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May 7, 2023 18:32
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:China is actually turbofucked because of the looming water crisis there. your link won’t work unless you remove the trailing .
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May 7, 2023 18:44
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/yet-another-problem-with-recycling-it-spews-microplastics/
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May 7, 2023 18:51
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Brain Curry posted:your link won’t work unless you remove the trailing . Thanks, fixed
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May 7, 2023 20:10
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Tamba posted:https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/yet-another-problem-with-recycling-it-spews-microplastics/ it's the recycling that's the problem
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May 7, 2023 20:30
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:we would also no longer need to worry about letting our pet cats roam outside and being constantly harassed for it because they kill "millions of birds each year" or whatever the gently caress kill millions of whats? -cat owners in five years
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May 7, 2023 21:28
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:China is actually turbofucked because of the looming water crisis there. Don't worry, they'll just harvest the needed water Fremen-style. >.> Tamba posted:https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/yet-another-problem-with-recycling-it-spews-microplastics/ Yawn. Call me when we get to femtoplastics. I want plastics so small that they can start incorporating themselves into DNA chains. BIG HEADLINE has issued a correction as of 00:29 on May 8, 2023 |
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May 8, 2023 00:27
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Wheeee posted:nuclear plants generate a lot of waste heat, which is manageable when you’re only building a handful for power generation but would become an issue if you wanted to begin mass producing them to power carbon capture which is just  to mei love capture plants they're so ridiculously pointless you have to build a power plant to power them and the combo is barely net-negative if you cook the books in favor enough OR you could build a nuclear plant and tear down a coal plant naturally...
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May 8, 2023 01:05
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Harik posted:which is just well the point of CCS on a fossil fuel grid is the sell more fossil fuels. we're talking 2-3x coal or natural gas burned to do CCS on a plant and still make the same amount electricity with it. that's a lot of extra sales if you're a fossil fuel company. but it is also true that because we hosed poo poo up so bad, even if we have a zero-carbon nuclear/renewables/fusion/human economy, that won't be enough. we've past the point where just stopping is enough, we will have to actively work to reduce the ongoing negative effects, and that's where CDR comes in as one of the many ways we will have to clean up our mess for centuries to come.
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May 8, 2023 01:22
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Trabisnikof posted:but it is also true that because we hosed poo poo up so bad, even if we have a zero-carbon nuclear/renewables/fusion/human economy, that won't be enough. we've past the point where just stopping is enough, we will have to actively work to reduce the ongoing negative effects, and that's where CDR comes in as one of the many ways we will have to clean up our mess for centuries to come. Maybe it would be more marketable as "Terraforming Earth." A grand space age adventure, right in our backyard!
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May 8, 2023 01:42
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Trabisnikof posted:clean up our mess for centuries to come. lol
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May 8, 2023 01:45
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We already terraformed though. You want us to just UNDO all that work?!
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