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The thing that continually amazes me about this thread is how my lovely little five employee company apparently has better timekeeping and billing systems than tech giants. It's a lovely visual foxpro setup that some local guy programs in his house. When a job comes in, the client details are entered, at the end of the week I put in job number, work code, and hours, along with leave taken, admin time, kms, and consumables, and at the other end it spits out invoices, leave and payroll reports.
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May 8, 2023 22:16
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Jaguars! posted:The thing that continually amazes me about this thread is how my lovely little five employee company apparently has better timekeeping and billing systems than tech giants. It's a lovely visual foxpro setup that some local guy programs in his house. A lot of services can fall apart in the back end at thousands or tens of thousands of employees. Scale can be a really nasty gotcha with software.
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May 8, 2023 22:26
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That's true enough, but ultimately in a professional environment the rank and file shouldn't be spending any time with multiple tracking systems or creating job codes, they should be doing billable work.
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May 8, 2023 22:42
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Chewbecca posted:We use Slack and Teams, and you never quite know who will be on what (big organisation) I work at Amazon and for the longest everyone used Chime which was Amazon's internal messaging service. Worked just fine for IMs but wasn't super fancy. Then one day word comes down we'll be using Slack! Won't it be great? So we're migrating? No we're using BOTH! And because Slack is non-native to the Amazon system or whatever reason you have to have an authentication key to plug into whatever computer you're using to use it! Me: "So you're saying we're going to have an IM for us peasant workers, an IM for the managers and communication is going to go to hell?" Everyone I asked that to: "Nah it'll be good!" Turns out the reality was exactly what I expected but somehow even dumber. Oh even better is the stupid keyfob isn't really needed for Slack: it works just fine on the Amazon computers (and on phones and such of course) without needing the 2FA key. However a bunch of other apps require me to keyfob in. But hey, we be Slackin'!
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May 8, 2023 23:13
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Termyie posted:We have fired people at my work who brought their discord drama to work. It always turns into a fist fight in the parking lot and great security camera footage we need to record. We always get these guys coming after us for human rights cases when this happens. What the gently caress  Those is a joke post right?
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May 8, 2023 23:15
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Sywert of Thieves posted:What the gently caress The worst part is, he works for the NIH.
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May 9, 2023 00:39
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Termyie posted:We have fired people at my work who brought their discord drama to work. It always turns into a fist fight in the parking lot and great security camera footage we need to record. We always get these guys coming after us for human rights cases when this happens. Well, the app ain't called Harmony after all
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May 9, 2023 00:41
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Paper Tiger posted:Well, the app ain't called Harmony after all
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May 9, 2023 01:13
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Lazyfire posted:It gets weirder when you remember that a lot of the guys in the yard would run off the books "handyman" operations when they were laid off between boats. My dad was an electrician in the yard up until I was born and wired like half the houses built around town during his time there and he wasn't the only one doing that. If open up a wall between Mystic and Woodstock you'll find lengths of wire that weren't cut to the right length and found a new life in someone's home over the years. Stuff still walked when I was there, but they were a little bit more concerned with keeping track of scraps because they had sort of perfected how to cut a spool or a sheet to get the most pieces out of each one. Back then you could just cut a 10" length, call it a loss and walk out with it because your job required a 13" cut. Today they would realize there was a 8" requirement on a different drawing and take the scrap piece back. Not sure if apocryphal but heard someone mention in a thread that when Bill Gates’ mega mansion was being built the plans got changed on a whim with no concern for the premium material already in place, so as that needed to be somewhere not on the property quickly, a lot of construction workers were able to complete nice projects at home.
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May 9, 2023 01:21
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Company mandatory security training went through how to build pass phrase passwords with great tips and examples. My main password has to be 6 numbers, no more no less
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May 9, 2023 01:43
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I had worse at one place. The password recovery clue *had* to be chosen from a list of things like "mother's maiden name" or "childhood pet", stuff that either HR knew or could be found from social media or both. Ended up having the brief exchange one time: "Was your dog really called (Flibbertigibbet319!!)?" "No." "Oh."
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May 9, 2023 02:25
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Chewbecca posted:We use Slack and Teams, and you never quite know who will be on what (big organisation) Huge org, using Webex Teams (company default), MS Teams (MS tries to push it in all their office apps), and some teams/depts use Slack amongst themselves. Someone I kinda know joined the company and I messaged him on Webex the first day to say hi. He didn't reply and I didn't think anything of it. 6-12 months later I got a response that on his first day he was told about his team Slack and never knew about Webex. When he finally went into it for the first time he had hundreds of unread messages.
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May 9, 2023 02:56
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Barudak posted:Company mandatory security training went through how to build pass phrase passwords with great tips and examples. 696969
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May 9, 2023 03:06
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Full on kneed the brewhouse steps a few minutes ago. gently caress! I'm the idiot!
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May 9, 2023 04:06
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Escape From Noise posted:Full on kneed the brewhouse steps a few minutes ago. gently caress! I'm the idiot! Should have been a baker.
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May 9, 2023 05:53
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Outrail posted:Should have been a baker. I already get enough burns!
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May 9, 2023 05:59
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Jaguars! posted:That's true enough, but ultimately in a professional environment the rank and file shouldn't be spending any time with multiple tracking systems or creating job codes, they should be doing billable work. "But the MBA told us we need to cut support staff to make number go up." What I don't get is, why is the workflow of every single billing system 90s point and click adventure games puzzle level obtuse?
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May 9, 2023 09:11
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:"But the MBA told us we need to cut support staff to make number go up." *client offers no guarantee of sensibility, sanity or not changing their mind the moment after they put down the phone.
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May 9, 2023 09:41
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Asehujiko posted:I'm a programmer on systems like these now so I can answer this; They're developed iteratively, one button at a time, based on what a (or often the) client wants at that moment* that gets placed wherever there's space. As a result, the code is typically even more of a mess than the screen. By the time the system has accreted enough functionality to be sold wholesale, it's too late to deal with any of the colossal amount of technical debt. I can confirm this. If a single programmer creates a base system, it might be ok. If he then adds functionality iteratively over 15 years, it's guaranteed to be thousands upon thousands of lines of spaghetti code. Our technical debt is over 700 mandays. It's probably even higher but the static analysis tool is outdated and chokes on roughly a fifth of the codebase.
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May 9, 2023 11:38
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Sywert of Thieves posted:Our technical debt is over 700 mandays. It's probably even higher but the static analysis tool is outdated and chokes on roughly a fifth of the codebase. The static code analysis tool is actually just an offshore resource who's a big fan of 90s DC heroes.
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May 9, 2023 12:12
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At that point wouldn't it be easier to hire someone to spend a urar remaking the system from scratch in parallel and migrate the data across?
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May 9, 2023 15:27
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Outrail posted:At that point wouldn't it be easier to hire someone to spend a urar remaking the system from scratch in parallel and migrate the data across?
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May 9, 2023 15:37
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If my job made us use Discord, I would respond to everything with the animated rolling frog from Diamond Frogs discord.
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May 9, 2023 15:40
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zedprime posted:Often yes hence the entire business system implementation consulting ecosystem. The question would be 'so why doesn't that just happen more often?', but then I think of my current consultants and their ability to achieve anything useful without constant micromanagement.
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May 9, 2023 15:54
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Asehujiko posted:I'm a programmer on systems like these now so I can answer this; They're developed iteratively, one button at a time, based on what a (or often the) client wants at that moment* that gets placed wherever there's space. As a result, the code is typically even more of a mess than the screen. By the time the system has accreted enough functionality to be sold wholesale, it's too late to deal with any of the colossal amount of technical debt. I've come across plenty of bad user interfaces over my career, but those had at least the excuse of being very niche. You'd think billing isn't quite as rare as e.g. railway scheduling.
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May 9, 2023 16:12
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Sywert of Thieves posted:What the gently caress I wish I was joking. We had to write someone up for hitting a coworker in the back with a used large dildo in the parking lot so hard that it causes a lost time injury.
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May 9, 2023 16:15
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Outrail posted:The question would be 'so why doesn't that just happen more often?', but then I think of my current consultants and their ability to achieve anything useful without constant micromanagement. A lot of the problems are computers are infinitely changeable but people are not. You can have the most absolutely perfect UIX in the world after migrating from a price of poo poo that actively antagonizes it's users and because everyone using it is now working 2 jobs because of downsizing 5 years ago the people barely hanging on by muscle memory are going to spend a solid 3 months loving up and working with the help desk to unfuck things.
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May 9, 2023 16:18
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Termyie posted:I wish I was joking. We had to write someone up for hitting a coworker in the back with a used large dildo in the parking lot so hard that it causes a lost time injury. Oh, you live in Stilwater?
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May 9, 2023 16:23
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Termyie posted:I wish I was joking. We had to write someone up for hitting a coworker in the back with a used large dildo in the parking lot so hard that it causes a lost time injury. I.. Um... Hmm... ... How did you know it was used?
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May 9, 2023 16:50
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He did say lost time injury so I'm just gonna assume they contracted syphilis or whatever
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May 9, 2023 16:59
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Termyie posted:I wish I was joking. We had to write someone up for hitting a coworker in the back with a used large dildo in the parking lot so hard that it causes a lost time injury. This is the poo poo I lived for in my time as a medical transcriptionist typing ER reports
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May 9, 2023 18:35
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DreadUnknown posted:If my job made us use Discord, I would respond to everything with the animated rolling frog from Diamond Frogs discord. i've definitely snagged some forums smilies for slack, because sometimes you just need a 
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May 9, 2023 18:48
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Outrail posted:At that point wouldn't it be easier to hire someone to spend a urar remaking the system from scratch in parallel and migrate the data across? The migration won't be tested at all and the result will be that both systems will be used simultaneously with neither one having the full functionality required
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May 9, 2023 18:55
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Darkest Auer posted:The migration won't be tested at all and the result will be that both systems will be used simultaneously with neither one having the full functionality required Oh, I see you've dealt with a legacy-to-TeamCenter transition. Or a JDE or homebrew mainframe system to SAP jump. We're five years into SAP and have a JDE archive for finding what we did in the past. We are eight years into TC and still have a system to look into old drawings because no one thought to move stuff to TC. Everything sucks and nothing works. We're already moving away from SAP next year.
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May 9, 2023 19:39
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Pyrtanis posted:This is the poo poo I lived for in my time as a medical transcriptionist typing ER reports I really wish I had saved a bunch of my favorite "Vistor encounters [wildlife/park ranger]" reports from years back. Those always made for great morning reading. Male, 40s, aggressively attempting to move neighboring campsites' tents and equipment. Igniting numerous fireworks and yelling unclear obscenities. Waving handgun with left hand. Apparent intoxication upon approach by Rangers A____ and F____. Time of incident: 7:34am
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May 9, 2023 20:02
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Outrail posted:At that point wouldn't it be easier to hire someone to spend a urar remaking the system from scratch in parallel and migrate the data across? Congratulations. By the time the new manager decides to scrap the rewriting project, you will have half the system rewritten using whatever framework or technology was en vogue when you started, and the other half still be the same crappy mess as before. Then this will happen again. And again. Ask me how I know 
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May 9, 2023 21:24
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Escape From Noise posted:Full on kneed the brewhouse steps a few minutes ago. gently caress! I'm the idiot! As somebody who just put a two-inch gash in her leg from kneeing a valve handle, I feel ya.
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May 9, 2023 21:27
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Zopotantor posted:Ask me how I know We had a data specialist come in to develop a new database for all our data and photos that were languishing on a literally falling apart Access files. Three years later I still hadn't seen a first attempt despite constant 'I'll have something by next month' emails. one of my KPIs was to test and provide feedback. Horay
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Outrail posted:We had a data specialist come in to develop a new database for all our data and photos that were languishing on a literally falling apart Access files. Has this person been getting paid for the last 3 years or is it kind of a one shot payment once it's done kind of thing?
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