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Ericht: A Fallen Legend Guel: A Rival Living a Lie Prospera: A Visionary Robbed of Her Future ChuChu: A Sniper Deprived of Her Turds Nika: A Technocrat Who Stands Her Ground El4n/El5n: A Youth Who Curses His Fate Belmeria: A Wise Woman Denied her Homeland Suletta: A Ghost Without a Past Sophie and Norea: Those Who Don't Exist
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Arc Hammer posted:I feel that while The Blessing is good and the lyrics are neat, Slash is a better OP song, even though both OPs are decidedly rather mid visually. Eh, I'm just not a fan of how Slash just ends mid-note. And The Blessing's visuals have a lot more dynamicism in how characters move, while Slash has a lot of times where people just stand around doing nothing.
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May 9, 2023 21:46
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Arc Hammer posted:Ericht: A Fallen Legend Bel is way closer to Huey, a brilliant scientist who makes valid points about the failings of others but also is a loathsome little poo poo themselves.
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May 9, 2023 21:49
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amigolupus posted:Eh, I'm just not a fan of how Slash just ends mid-note. And The Blessing's visuals have a lot more dynamicism in how characters move, while Slash has a lot of times where people just stand around doing nothing. Agreed. I just think that Slash is tonally a better fit for the show overall than The Blessing. At the end of the day theyre still just fairly routine pop singles. OPs also have to do a lot to impress me visually and I don't think either OP has been particularly standout in that regard. It's your usual cast lineup stuff with some nice bits of animation here and there and whatever.
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May 9, 2023 21:53
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Gripweed posted:Bel is way closer to Huey, a brilliant scientist who makes valid points about the failings of others but also is a loathsome little poo poo themselves. Oh absolutely but I was taking the red band trailer quotes and Huey's tag tagline was a perfect fit for Nika.
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May 9, 2023 21:54
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Arc Hammer posted:Oh absolutely but I was taking the red band trailer quotes and Huey's tag tagline was a perfect fit for Nika. Nika has not once stood her ground.
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May 9, 2023 21:56
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Gripweed posted:Nika has not once stood her ground. Perhaps not physically but it's hard to stand with a boot on your face. She made it quite clear during her talk with Sabina that she's not about to change her mindset. Besides, it's not like Huey ever stands his ground, no matter what his tagline says Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 9, 2023 |
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May 9, 2023 22:07
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amigolupus posted:Eh, I'm just not a fan of how Slash just ends mid-note. And The Blessing's visuals have a lot more dynamicism in how characters move, while Slash has a lot of times where people just stand around doing nothing. it's all that angst yuri and regular
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May 9, 2023 22:27
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May 9, 2023 22:28
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https://twitter.com/zeonicscans/status/1656050041868681216?t=uO5WSb_glf87bMHbtgXRzA&s=19
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May 9, 2023 22:35
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So Eri might have been doing it unconsciously but it could also be the Llfrith protecting its new friend.
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May 9, 2023 22:42
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https://twitter.com/osawa841/status/1655574244338683905?s=20 Still not ruling out this exact scenario
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May 9, 2023 23:10
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https://twitter.com/ravenndei628/status/1655777202770939905?s=46&t=hYF4DBv-yILl3j4LNUsZwg I find it darkly hilarious that people are referring to the events of Episode 17 as “The Divorce”
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May 10, 2023 00:02
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You've missed the point of that conversation then. Miorine was probing Suletta to see how deep that conditioning ran, if there was any hope at all of finding something Suletta would balk at doing for even a moment, and it was obvious trying to convince Suletta was a waste of time by that last question. I perfectly understood the conversation, I just still think it's wildly out of character for Miorine. Suletta's mistake in S1 that got Miorine so angry at her in the first place was drawing incorrect conclusions from hints and assumptions rather than directly asking about problems. She looked at Miorine and Earth House's behavior and made an assumption that everyone actually completely hated her and didn't need her around without ever going to anyone and directly asking "hey uh do you guys hate me???", and Miorine verbally rips her apart about it. In this situation, Miorine makes an assumption about Suletta based on some leading questions and innuendos, and then instead of directly questioning Suletta about those assumptions(as in "Suletta, I'm seriously worried that your mom might be a bad influence on you and we need to talk about it"), decides to make some sweeping decisions that will permanently alter Suletta's life without ever actually directly consulting Suletta about it. This is doubly egregious because Miorine's biggest struggle in life was trying to break out of being a powerless puppet who had authority figures making all the decisions about her life for her, and Suletta is the one who allowed her to break out of that shell in the first place. If the writing goal here was to make Miorine look like a complete hypocrite I think they succeeded with flying colors, but I don't know if that was necessarily intended. It's a level of shittiness even beyond the obviously intended "Miorine is trying to be the bad guy to Harry and the Hendersons Suletta". Kanos fucked around with this message at 00:25 on May 10, 2023 |
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May 10, 2023 00:16
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May 10, 2023 00:31
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Goddammit I haven't seen the Binky Arthur meme template in a while.
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May 10, 2023 00:34
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Missed the best part https://twitter.com/cinapinna/status/1656056959232081924?s=46&t=hYF4DBv-yILl3j4LNUsZwg
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May 10, 2023 00:40
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Kanos posted:I perfectly understood the conversation, I just still think it's wildly out of character for Miorine. Miorine ended that conversation in the greenhouse because a) She basically already had all the answers she was going to get and b) she was incredibly afraid of the next logical question, which is kind of the point. Miorine is afraid and is acting based on that fear. A fear not of Suletta but for her and the future. So Miorine casts herself as the villain, and she models herself as the biggest villain in her life, her father.
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May 10, 2023 00:44
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I think it's telling that Miorine cut off Suletta when asking her if she'd give up on Aerial. Suletta told her in the greenhouse how bad she felt after killing the man and almost had Miorine with her until she went down the "mother knows best!" route again. On some level Suletta does know that her answers to Miorine's questions are upsetting because she tries to apologize for the greenhouse comments. Then Miorine asks her if she'd give up Aerial. Suletta is about to answer that she wouldn't because Aerial is family. Here is where I think there is a break between a true feeling Suletta possesses and what Miorine might only see as Prospera's hand. Suletta spent years alone with only Aerial as her companion while Prospera was out on business trips. The relationship that Suletta has with Aerial is something Suletta made on her own, rather than something Prospera engineered (though she did foster it to her own ends, of course). Miorine's fault in this episode comes from not knowing where Suletta's true feelings begin and what was implanted in her by Prospera. So when Suletta says she wouldn't abandon Aerial, she's not hearing Suletta's genuine connection with her sister, she's only hearing Prospera tell her "you think Suletta will give up Aerial so easily?" To Miorine it just sounds like another manipulation from Prospera. And so she doesn't hear Suletta out or try to understand her reasoning. It's all Prospera, no further investigation needed. Miorine doesn't know where the person she loves starts and ends, all she can see are the strings, real and imagined. And she'd rather cut them all at once instead of going through piece by piece always wondering which thoughts are Suletta and which are Prospera. She doesn't have the time to deprogram Suletta in a safe and healthy way, Shaddiq's fuckery and Prospera's threats have put everyone on a short timetable where the only options are a small catastrophe or a really really big catastrophe. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 00:59 on May 10, 2023 |
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May 10, 2023 00:56
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Hellbore posted:Miorine ended that conversation in the greenhouse because a) She basically already had all the answers she was going to get and b) she was incredibly afraid of the next logical question, which is kind of the point. Miorine is afraid and is acting based on that fear. A fear not of Suletta but for her and the future. So Miorine casts herself as the villain, and she models herself as the biggest villain in her life, her father. I have no issue with her ultimately making the terrible decision that she does - I want to be clear, I think it's a perfectly valid narrative direction for the show to go into and I don't have a beef with that - so much as I think it's weird for her character that she didn't even really make a desperate attempt to do anything but the terrible decision.
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May 10, 2023 01:02
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She was totally rushed into that decision. She thinks she doesn't have the time to fix suletta delicately when the plot is moving so fast, so she weighed her options and made a bad choice for good reasons, presumably with some contingency plan backing it up based on what she knows. It's not out of character for her, she just got outplayed by Prospera.
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May 10, 2023 01:07
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The confrontation between Mio and Prospera at the end of Ep.16 is important here, because that's where Prospera heavily implies that her revenge timetable is getting short and if Miorine doesn't become the Group President and complete Quiet Zero with her, she'll be forced to use more drastic methods. So in Miorine's mind there's no time left to untangle Suletta, getting her out of harms way (i.e. Prospera and the corporate conflict) has to be done now.
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i think it's really sad that suletta was questioning her mom's decision and had been reflecting on killing someone and clearly had some trauma about it during the school attack. miorine absolutely had the space to potentially turn suletta around on it, but she never even tried, because she avoided her bride outside of a few brief moments that seemed to confirm that suletta wasn't having an internal conflict about these things (because yeah she's not going to present herself that way to miorine in the precious few moments miorine gives them together). ~just two people failing to understand each other in a gundam show~
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I just watched the first season of this (and looked back in the thread at when it was airing). As someone who just watched it all at once, Elan 4 had a way bigger impact on me than anything else, including the finale post-credits scene. That was just extremely sad, especially how no one even notices. And not only do they not notice, but Elan 5 comes in and acts like a huge rear end in a top hat; it's like if you secretly died and some clone of you took your place and started being lovely to everyone (I mean, I guess this is literally what happened so the simile is unnecessary).
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May 10, 2023 01:35
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Prospera implicitly threatens to continue harming Suletta unless Miorine does this exact thing tomorrow while also continually guilt tripping her and pressing basically every emotional button she has. I feel like there's a bizarre number of people seeing Miorine as a dumbass who's trusting a supervillain for no reason and not a kid who's being emotionally blackmailed by an abuser because she wants to save her girlfriend
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May 10, 2023 01:58
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She can be blackmailed and still be a dumbass. Not that she's trusting Prospera, but that her methods are so nuclear that the consequential fallout will be worse than Miorine thinks.
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May 10, 2023 02:08
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Arc Hammer posted:She can be blackmailed and still be a dumbass. Not that she's trusting Prospera, but that her methods are so nuclear that the consequential fallout will be worse than Miorine thinks. I don't think that in Miorine mind, the consequences can be worse than what she thinks, since she clearly fears for Suletta's safety if she is a part of Prospera's revenge. Miorine's clearly afraid and panicking and grabbed the first lifeline that was thrown, since she was out of options. Which is of course exactly Prospera's plan, ever since Delling was taken out of commission and Quiet Zero was threatened.
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BlitznBurst posted:Prospera implicitly threatens to continue harming Suletta unless Miorine does this exact thing tomorrow while also continually guilt tripping her and pressing basically every emotional button she has. I feel like there's a bizarre number of people seeing Miorine as a dumbass who's trusting a supervillain for no reason and not a kid who's being emotionally blackmailed by an abuser because she wants to save her girlfriend What's the worst part is Prospera's turned everyone on themselves and just walked out the door because she (probably) has no further need for any of them or Asticassia anymore. Also I'd reckon the Schwarzette Gundam will be Prospera's. Watch that big sword be a tuning fork or wand or something to conduct/control Quiet Zero, akin to the antenna rigs on the back of the Lfriths.
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Prospera comes out flying the Schwarzette and casually drops that Nortrette is the AI just to gently caress with Miorine and Delling further.
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BlitznBurst posted:Prospera implicitly threatens to continue harming Suletta unless Miorine does this exact thing tomorrow while also continually guilt tripping her and pressing basically every emotional button she has. I feel like there's a bizarre number of people seeing Miorine as a dumbass who's trusting a supervillain for no reason and not a kid who's being emotionally blackmailed by an abuser because she wants to save her girlfriend Prospera's demands are: 1. Miorine becomes president 2. Miorine uses the presidency to complete quiet zero 3. Suletta participates in 1 more duel This hard sever (or even suletta losing) are 100% miorine original
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ninjewtsu posted:Prospera's demands are: The sever comes from Prospera essentially telling Mio that if she wants Suletta out, she needs to come in. So to keep her out she goes for the throw rocks until they hate you approach, which as we know never results in them coming back, maybe in some kind of heroic moment, with tearful heartfelt apologies, etc. Never happened in any media ever.
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Why did Prospera show up at Earth House in #16, anyway?
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May 10, 2023 03:19
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Suletta made them sound nice. 
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Meowywitch posted:Why did Prospera show up at Earth House in #16, anyway? She came back to Asticassia on the same shuttle as Miorine because she needed one more duel and because she wanted to keep tabs on Miorine/gently caress with people.
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May 10, 2023 03:21
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Meowywitch posted:Why did Prospera show up at Earth House in #16, anyway? To cause problems on purpose
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Meowywitch posted:Why did Prospera show up at Earth House in #16, anyway? To get up in Miorine's grill to secure continued support for Quiet Zero, and also presumably to set up the very situation we're all arguing about.
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How is this recap on Sunday gonna work? Will it get an episode number or is it just an interview/podcast thing?
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Arc Hammer posted:How is this recap on Sunday gonna work? Will it get an episode number or is it just an interview/podcast thing? Probably just a clip show with some narration overlayed. That's how the clip show between 6 and 7 last season went. I don't think they've announced anything like the cast interview though.
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Hellbore posted:Probably just a clip show with some narration overlayed. That's how the clip show between 6 and 7 last season went. I don't think they've announced anything like the cast interview though. Did that season 1 clipshow ever air outside of Japan? Also I'm reassessing my thought that Aerial and Rebuild are separate machines. The trailer footage that showed Suletta in a different pilot suit hopping into the OG Aerial made me think they were separate but now with Aerial stripped of Eri I've got a different thought. Without Eri inside the Gundam the Llfrith AI is the SYS 2.0 rather than the Eri-fied SYS E.S. Aerial the Gundam might be non-functional when Jeturk engineers start inspecting it. Maybe without Eri the Llfrith AI refuses to cooperate, so in order to figure out what makes it tick they downgrade Aerial from the rebuild back to the original form, hoping some factory reset might help them work out the kinks. And then it'll only be when Suletta hops back inside the Season 1 Aerial that it activates again because Llfrith recognizes Suletta being like Eri and accepts her as a pilot. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:12 on May 10, 2023 |
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Arc Hammer posted:Did that season 1 clipshow ever air outside of Japan? I don't think it did actually. We actually might be getting a special radio show on the 14th though. Instead of Ichinose (Suletta) and Lynn (Miorine), it will be Azakami (Guel), Otsuka (Lauda) and Hirose (Petra).
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