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Megas XLR too.
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wdarkk posted:Megas XLR too. Like I said, one hand. That's three, and your stance on whether the marauder suits in Roughnecks or the suits from Exosquad count will fill out the rest. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 9, 2023 |
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May 9, 2023 16:27
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Arc Hammer posted:We got Sym-Bionic Titan and The Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot. Sym-Bionic Titan is a great show but it's 100% an american style giant robot show. It's only really legible as a product of the mid 80s-early 90s anime fandom; it doesn't much resemble the original article.
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May 9, 2023 16:42
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Big Guy and Rusty was fun sometimes. It had Tim Curry and one time they travelled back in time to help Benjamin Franklin. Edit or maybe it was Paul Revere, I don't remember. I do remember something went wrong with the timestream and Big Guy ended up in the hands of a British redcoat, so the US lost the Revolutionary War (because the British were supported by a giant robot with machine gun elbows who threw cannonballs) and ended up in an alternate future timeline where everyone spoke British. It also had a kickin intro  and was based on a Frank Miller joint!Sorry to ramble it was just a goofy show and fun to remember Marx Headroom fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 9, 2023 |
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May 9, 2023 16:45
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Here we go
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May 9, 2023 17:10
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Arc Hammer posted:Like I said, one hand. That's three, and your stance on whether the marauder suits in Roughnecks or the suits from Exosquad count will fill out the rest. Exosquad absolutely counts. I still encourage anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it, it's *shockingly* good for an afternoon toy commercial.
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May 10, 2023 00:24
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This might sound crazy to some people but if there was one thing that I'd like to see Japanese mecha shows take as inspiration from western robot stuff it would be the weight and movement of the Michael Bay transformers. Not the mechanical designs or anything, but the weight and momentum behind their footsteps. Jets, thrusters, wheels and hovering is cool and good for mecha but I would like to see more humanoid mechs that are big stompy things that move like angry linebackers.
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May 10, 2023 00:33
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Does Battletech count?
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May 10, 2023 00:42
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If you consider it "good". I don't. The Battletech cartoon, that is. Battletech the franchise is cool.
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May 10, 2023 00:46
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Arc Hammer posted:If you consider it "good". I don't. Dare you refuse my Batchall?
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May 10, 2023 00:47
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i just watched dai-guard which is like that. i'm sure theres other examples too
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Tales of Woe posted:i just watched dai-guard which is like that. i'm sure theres other examples too I'm sure they're out there but most series do tend to go for the big boosters thrusters and animation budget-saving hover modes that you can just keyframe across the image. Getting mecha weight across in animation is hard, and harder still if you're emulating human body movements with a 50 tonne machine.
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May 10, 2023 01:01
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What's the best way to watch the new Voltes?
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May 10, 2023 01:20
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Arc Hammer posted:the marauder suits in Roughnecks Sometimes I forget how close we were to a true-to-the-book Starship Troopers work. Still hate that they took one throwaway line and interpreted it to mean 'some randos get put in even bigger suits' when they were all supposed to be closer to that. I just want an adaptation that has the grenade that screams its own countdown in the local language. That whole part is a bit too colonialist though.
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May 10, 2023 01:29
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Frankly I'm glad that the Verhoeven take exists because it's fantastic and so is Roughnecks. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing a true Mobile Infantry experience, mind you. The OVA is a bit too dry for my tastes.
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Schwarzwald posted:What's the best way to watch the new Voltes? I find Eyes are the most useful in this case
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May 10, 2023 01:40
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At some point Gundam stopped having the robots just slap each other around after their weapons break and we need that back
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May 10, 2023 02:00
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Mister Olympus posted:At some point Gundam stopped having the robots just slap each other around after their weapons break and we need that back IBO had a fair amount of that. The Lupus Rex and Rebake Full City were actually specialised for slapping!
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May 10, 2023 02:30
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Aerial slaps
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Darth Walrus posted:IBO had a fair amount of that. The Lupus Rex and Rebake Full City were actually specialised for slapping! It even had multiple fights where people used severed limbs as a weapon. Good times. Really, I felt like IBO did a solid job with weight, and a great job with coming up with new ways for Mikazuki to kill people. For other shows with weight, Evangelion had some excellent shots conveying how loving massive these things were, and I felt that Doan's Island was a step up from most CG mech fights, but yeah. It's less common than would be ideal.
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May 10, 2023 06:22
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Arc Hammer posted:The OVA is a bit too dry for my tastes. I forgot this exists until you mention it and I have zero memory of ever watching it. What's the actual title?
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Gaius Marius posted:I find Eyes are the most useful in this case Thank you, Ernie.
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May 10, 2023 15:49
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they did the thing!
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chiasaur11 posted:It even had multiple fights where people used severed limbs as a weapon. Good times. The run to catch Sahaquiel in Rebuild 2.0 is iconic for a reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OZt45NbA8
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May 10, 2023 17:10
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Eva and Pacific Rim are great examples in how to convey weight properly and poorly in the same franchise. EOE has the mass production fight which is just this exhausting brawl, and Pacific Rim 1 has the Gypsy vs Leatherback fight which is literally over in seven strikes where each hit is meaningful. Then you get the weightless Jaegers in Uprising and the Shinji vs Gendo fight in Thrice Upon a Time where the cameraman just goes crazy and the Evas bounce around like pinballs.
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May 10, 2023 19:32
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Arc Hammer posted:Eva and Pacific Rim are great examples in how to convey weight properly and poorly in the same franchise. EOE has the mass production fight which is just this exhausting brawl, and Pacific Rim 1 has the Gypsy vs Leatherback fight which is literally over in seven strikes where each hit is meaningful. I mean, to be fair, that was the point. The whole fight was meant to feel like two guys running around on a set with you going "Wait, wait, wait..." until they knock away the background confirming that it's going weirdly meta.
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May 11, 2023 06:48
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It's weird that the final confrontation gets brought up and slapped down as "the point" over and over while erryone forgets that the rest of the fights in the final two movies are weightless nonsense too.
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Ranzear posted:It's weird that the final confrontation gets brought up and slapped down as "the point" over and over while erryone forgets that the rest of the fights in the final two movies are weightless nonsense too. I remember the fight between berserker Asuka and Rei Q in 3.0 being pretty deece.
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I brought up the Gendo fight less because the weightlessness was "the point" and more to show how you can have this massive gulf between mecha mass depictions in the same franchise. It's an easy example to point to.
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Probably a philistine take, but I think if your point is to have a badly animated and choreographed fight that doesn't look good, You may be full of poo poo.
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Fivemarks posted:Probably a philistine take, but I think if your point is to have a badly animated and choreographed fight that doesn't look good, You may be full of poo poo. The entire point of the scene is that shinji and gendo resolving their issues via a climactic mech battle would be an inherently facile and empty and unfulfilling resolution that ignores the entirety of their arc over the last twenty five years, so making a two minute fight look cheap on purpose is in fact good and your take is in fact a philistine one, especially since the rest of the climax is gorgeously animated in comparison.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The entire point of the scene is that shinji and gendo resolving their issues via a climactic mech battle would be an inherently facile and empty and unfulfilling resolution that ignores the entirety of their arc over the last twenty five years, so making a two minute fight look cheap on purpose is in fact good and your take is in fact a philistine one, especially since the rest of the climax is gorgeously animated in comparison. No, if you're gonna have a fight, make the fight look good, even if the fight is poo poo. Like the glasses fight from They Live.
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Fivemarks posted:No, if you're gonna have a fight, make the fight look good, even if the fight is poo poo. Like the glasses fight from They Live. If you think the They Live fight looks good then you probably shouldn’t be casting judgement on the quality of fight scenes.
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May 11, 2023 14:34
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Fivemarks posted:No, if you're gonna have a fight, make the fight look good, even if the fight is poo poo. Like the glasses fight from They Live. You think the glasses fight in They Live is poo poo?
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Gripweed posted:You think the glasses fight in They Live is poo poo? No, no, it's a great fight. There's a reason everyone remembers it. it's also, objectively, a kinda dumb bumfight over one guy not wanting to wear glasses. But its a great fight that's also like, in universe, a dumb fight over nothing., but we love it anyway because it's well choreographed to go "these characters aren't expert fighters, they're just some dudes" and its great.
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It’s also not a fight that looks good, or sounds good, or is presented slickly, its six minutes of two guys awkwardly slapping the poo poo out of each other in total silence aside from grunts with extremely workmanlike camerawork that actively works against making either participant look cool or badass, because the entire point is that it’s a stupid pointless fight that’s happening because the two characters are idiot meatheads unwilling to give an inch even when it’s actively against their interest, and the sum result is to waste everyone’s time, including yours. It and the gendo-shinji fight are doing the exact same thing in largely the exact same methods, only the Thry Live fight is three times as long and with even less narrative payoff.
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May 11, 2023 14:59
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If I had to dislike a fight scene for looking bad then the clip of the Godzilla vs King Kong fight where it resorts to hand puppets doing a Punch and Judy routine would be terrible when it is not.
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May 11, 2023 15:06
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yes, but They live didn't lead to idiots going "Unlike other Mecha, Evangelion..." and then Gen:LOCK Season 2.
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Fivemarks posted:yes, but They live didn't lead to idiots going "Unlike other Mecha, Evangelion..." and then Gen:LOCK Season 2. What the actual gently caress are you talking about.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:What the actual gently caress are you talking about. Evangelion and its consequences have been a disaster for western mecha. Its a disaster that's being fixed now, but the late 90's, 2000's, and 2010s were pretty loving dire with people treating Evangelion as if its some kind of holy grail of mecha anime and the best thing ever and SO DEEP.
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