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Slugworth posted:Where would the junctions be made? They need to be in accessible boxes, so a blank plate on the ceiling above every outlet? Homerun every outlet box! Or I guess you could daisy-chain every outlet up and down the walls, with junctions in each outlet box? That's a ton of extra materials, though. Alternatively, use conduit instead of NM cable so you still have physical protection. PurpleXVI posted:Yeah, same way you run water pipes. If it's always vertically above or below the outlet, you have to be a real doofus to hit a pipe by accident. But you don't typically have multiple water faucets in the same room, whereas you have electrical outlets every 6' horizontally. Water runs are stacked vertically and are only to specific rooms and locations. If every outlet is ~18" off the floor, then you can assume there's a horizontal run outlet-to-outlet at 18". I'm not an electrician/electrical engineer though so maybe it is typical to only run things vertically rather than horizontally. brugroffil fucked around with this message at 13:51 on May 10, 2023 |
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May 10, 2023 13:48
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brugroffil posted:But you don't typically have multiple water faucets in the same room Yes you do. Like, every bathroom I've ever seen that was built after the 1800s.
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May 10, 2023 13:53
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Yes you do. Like, every bathroom I've ever seen that was built after the 1800s.  didn't think that one through did I?
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May 10, 2023 13:55
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Also, obviously, the Water Room.
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May 10, 2023 13:57
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brugroffil posted:
A typical bathroom has 3 cold and 2 hot water connections
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May 10, 2023 14:03
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In residential installations running the wires up the wall to junction boxes in the attic would drastically increase the chances of a wire being hit. Very few people are putting holes in walls at outlet height, but most people hang pictures.
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May 10, 2023 14:03
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Shifty Pony posted:In residential installations running the wires up the wall to junction boxes in the attic That's possibly why no-one is doing it or suggesting it?
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May 10, 2023 14:06
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Yes you do. Like, every bathroom I've ever seen that was built after the 1800s. Why do you need more than one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMQTg4Y0YT0
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May 10, 2023 14:07
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3D Megadoodoo posted:An air-bag and seatbelt in an automobile are a lot of extra work and materials versus just not crashing. I am a conduit fan though, so if we *really* want to have the safety discussion, I'm down. In the meantime though, a run of Romex running vertically doesn't strike me as any less dangerous than one running horizontally with proper protection. If anything, a run of Romex stapled to the side of a stud seems more likely to be hit by an errant screw than a horizontal run behind a plate. 3D Megadoodoo posted:That's possibly why no-one is doing it or suggesting it?
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May 10, 2023 14:07
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`Nemesis posted:
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May 10, 2023 14:12
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Nitrox posted:A typical bathroom has 3 cold and 2 hot water connections When I was growing up (and I'm pretty  ), the house (built 1880) my grandmother lived in had three faucets in both the bathtubs, and the sinks (two bathrooms in the house). Left was hot, right was cold, and the middle was cistern water. I was always fascinated by that one, and sternly told NEVER drink from it. As I got older, I found out that the house had the rain gutters flowing into a cistern in the basement with a separate pipe network, and a pump, and it was only to be used for washing your hands. Also, apparently because rainwater is soft, it was great for ladies hair washing needs back in the day. Also, the cistern served the toilets in the house, and had a cut over to "city water" in the basement in case the cistern ran dry. Kinda cool now that I think about it.
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May 10, 2023 14:15
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brugroffil posted:But you don't typically have multiple water faucets in the same room, whereas you have electrical outlets every 6' horizontally. Water runs are stacked vertically and are only to specific rooms and locations. If every outlet is ~18" off the floor, then you can assume there's a horizontal run outlet-to-outlet at 18". A bathroom would usually have: Two hot water outlets(shower/bathtub and sink) Three cold water outlets(shower/bathtub, sink, toilet) and possibly more in case of, say, a bidet or if it's a bathroom where someone's also found space for their washing machine.
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May 10, 2023 14:58
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`Nemesis posted:
I broke my leg looking at this picture
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May 10, 2023 15:28
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Shifty Pony posted:In residential installations running the wires up the wall to junction boxes in the attic would drastically increase the chances of a wire being hit. Very few people are putting holes in walls at outlet height, but most people hang pictures. Ding ding. Wires should be set back from the finished face of the wall by 1 1/2", which is not so terribly far that you wouldn't hit it with a long screw say to mount a shelf or cabinet or TV. Of course that's as far back as you can do it since walls are two sided. Outlets are daisy chained at their height (16-18") without protection as they penetrate the studs. This is fine. The first outlet is typically fed from the ceiling or the floor, depending on the layout of the house. In mine, it's the ceilings. Mostly, as a few circuits feed the basement lights.
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May 10, 2023 16:13
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brugroffil posted:
An interesting point on water versus electrical though, is that electrical nm cable, Romex, is flexible. Until pex piping, water was not. It's difficult to run a rigid pipe through holes in vertical studs. So supply and waste water piping tends to go in the grain of the joists of the floor and stub up to each fixture, or down from the ceiling rarely. Or in piping chases to cross half the home to get to where they need to be.
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May 10, 2023 16:19
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`Nemesis posted:
It's like when you're having a dream and your subconscious brain is just like "This is what stairs look like, right? Yeah, yeah, this is fine."
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May 10, 2023 18:13
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https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7203774420589153582
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May 10, 2023 18:36
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When I did my workshop, I used flex conduit for everything, because the runs were exposed. Honestly I'm not entirely convinced that we shouldn't just use flex conduit (or stronger) everywhere. And I don't even live in Chicago! 
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May 10, 2023 19:50
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:When I did my workshop, I used flex conduit for everything, because the runs were exposed. Honestly I'm not entirely convinced that we shouldn't just use flex conduit (or stronger) everywhere. Jokes on you, for Chicago the flex conduit isn’t code. I think it is only code for short runs to an end use device like a light fixture, or something along those lines. At least that is what my Cook County suburban inspector told me on the home inspection when buying my first house. But remember, codes only matter if the inspector can see them. When I had the basement finished, I know the union electrician threw some of that behind the drywall when he missed hooking up an outlet. That way it was just a little patch needed in the corner where the wall meets the ceiling. Instead of cutting out all the drywall out to install solid conduit.
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May 10, 2023 19:57
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Orvin posted:Jokes on you, for Chicago the flex conduit isn’t code. I think it is only code for short runs to an end use device like a light fixture, or something along those lines. At least that is what my Cook County suburban inspector told me on the home inspection when buying my first house.
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May 10, 2023 20:10
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I went and looked up the UK building regs and you are allowed to run horizontally so I guess what I had was more of a rule of thumb type thing to avoid hitting cables. https://the-regs.co.uk/blog/?p=586 quote:Basically where a cable is installed at a depth of less than 50 mm ‘i.e at plaster depth’ from the surface of the wall then the permitted zones / cable routes are 150 mm from the top of the wall and 150 mm at each side of a corner and also horizontally and vertically to any point / accessory mounted on the wall. That said, depending on the room layout unless you have a lot of sockets very close together it probably doesn't actually make sense to run everything horizontally outside the 150mm zones Vs along the base and up to each one, and for lights, well, the actual cable had to go vertically anyway to actually get to the ceiling anyway. So I guess just as well I've never had any cause to drill anything at socket level! Now. Let's talk about ring mains....
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May 11, 2023 06:51
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:
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May 11, 2023 14:57
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ladies and gentlemen, we are decorating in space
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May 11, 2023 15:30
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:Routing live wires horizontally anywhere except in floor/ceiling space is an accident waiting to happen, even if it's not behind a load of copper water pipes. Powerful Two-Hander posted:Yeah this is what I was always told because then you know that the live is going to be vertically up/down from the socket if you need to put anything into the wall. If the wires are run in whatever the gently caress directions then you can't do that, doubly so if it's a large run between two sockets. Powerful Two-Hander posted:I went and looked up the UK building regs and you are allowed to run horizontally so I guess what I had was more of a rule of thumb type thing to avoid hitting cables. https://i.imgur.com/98W0XSl.mp4
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May 11, 2023 18:45
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I am highly glad to have been of service  I genuinely grew up in a house with a ring main, I have a vague memory that every single light was on the same one so when it blew you were hosed. Also there was a dimmer switch that made a very angry buzzing sound if you used it, the bathroom floor was carpeted and the walls were all exposed beams so I actually have no idea where any of the cables were being run. This is why I laugh at anyone that buys a "quaint old house".
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May 11, 2023 23:04
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There's nothing wrong with the quaint old house, assuming you completely gut it and build a new modern house inside the old shell
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May 12, 2023 00:01
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sleepy gary posted:Do you have an idea of how it failed? It was Ajovy, and the person I talked to at the drug manufacturer though it might have been dropped at some point and developed a crack somewhere. I ended up disliking the Ajovy pen because it injected as soon as you pressed it to your leg, unlike Emgality and Aimovig which you pressed in and then hit a button to deploy the needle. These days I get an infusion of Vyepti every three months. It's a monoclonal antibody and works amazingly well for me. I'm down from daily headaches to only a couple really bad ones a month. And to get back on topic, thread readers would probably really enjoy the Instagram account @whatthecrazyhouse
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May 12, 2023 05:31
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Whoa. I'll ask my specialist about Vyepti. Thanks.
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May 12, 2023 07:23
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:It was Ajovy, and the person I talked to at the drug manufacturer though it might have been dropped at some point and developed a crack somewhere. My wife also has to take Aimovig for migraine stuff, and I'd despair if we lived outside of the Nordics with socialized healthcare.
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May 12, 2023 09:21
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All the power outlets are fed vertically into the roofspace. If the outlet is on an external wall then there's not even any problem with potentially hitting the flex with a nail or screw from hanging a picture (double-brick.)
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May 12, 2023 11:58
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I am highly glad to have been of service I'm not here to defend ring mains but there's nothing inherent that will cause all the lights to stop working if one bulb blows, that sounds like some even worse wiring disaster was happening
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May 12, 2023 12:51
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jammyozzy posted:I'm not here to defend ring mains but there's nothing inherent that will cause all the lights to stop working if one bulb blows, that sounds like some even worse wiring disaster was happening I don't understand this, are all the lights in series? So switching an extra light on all lights dim a bit? Like old christmas lights?
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May 12, 2023 13:34
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jammyozzy posted:I'm not here to defend ring mains but there's nothing inherent that will cause all the lights to stop working if one bulb blows, that sounds like some even worse wiring disaster was happening I read that as if that circuit popped you lost all lighting throughout the house, not that losing a bulb would take out the rest like some cheap christmas lights.
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May 12, 2023 16:07
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The 1960s DIY built Mother-in-law/ADU I'm renting now has some very suspect wiring regarding the lights. One morning they wouldn't turn on in half the fixtures in the house. Called the landlord, turns out it took the electrician a good few hours to fix as they had to go through every dead fixture to find that the wires had come loose in one and were shorting against the box, while they were wired in a way that every light in the house on a single circuit and everything downstream of that one wouldn't turn on.
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May 12, 2023 17:01
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BlankIsBeautiful posted:When I was growing up (and I'm pretty Rainwater is what I use in my sauna (when there is enough of it) and it is still the best for hair. The next best is spring water and then it goes lake > bog > tap > sea > whatever industrial waste you get from the faucet in Brussels goddamn Edit: I didn't mean to single out Brussels, it was just a generic western European city that came to mind where I've been Darkest Auer fucked around with this message at 17:36 on May 12, 2023 |
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`Nemesis posted:
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May 12, 2023 18:32
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Vim Fuego posted:oh my god That's what happens when you let criminals run loose.
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