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winegums posted:That shadow cabinet list is just embarrassing. A who's who of burnouts and arseholes. The labour party should be presenting an energised hyper competent shadow cabinet ready to enter power with fantastic ideas and a clean slate. Instead they're clueless and mired in scandal before they leave the starting line During the last decade, most centre-left social democract parties in Europe have collapsed in vote share, mostly due to their centreism and incompetence. Most notably the Socalist Party in France, but even the currently-governing SPD in Germany is only there as part of a 3-party coalition and are in equal competition with the Greens, rather than being a dominant partner. For a brief period the Labour Party seemed to escape this fate, under Corbyn. However, now that any idea of hope or optimism has been purged from the Labour Party, I think Starmer will cause the same fate. He'll get into government, and be so disappointing and incompetent that he'll start the decline of the Labour party.
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Failed Imagineer posted:More like bollocknese... etc. bologknees
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Failed Imagineer posted:Another issue is that there will soon inevitably be global "left-behind" zones, mainly in the Indian subcontinent and parts of the Middle East, because wet-bulb temperatures will reach a point that anyone who can't emigrate gets turned into sous-vide. That's really my most immediate concern about climate change. We're (most likely) not going to see the climate in northern Europe going to poo poo that badly in our lifetimes, but there are definitely going to be more and more displaced people from other regions and the question is how we deal with that. Militarised borders and concentration camps seems like a pretty plausible outcome right now. There are some hopeful outliers - in Germany and Sweden the public response to Syrians fleeing the war in 2015 (a war which was arguably an effect of climate change) was not too awful, refugees from Ukraine have been broadly seen in a sympathetic light across Europe. But then you look at the actual help offered even to the "good" refugees and the discourse about "economic migrants" and how that is apparently a bad thing and also anyone from certain countries isn't a real refugee and so on and it's all pretty grim.
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The optimistic bit is that it's like a few dozen arseholes doing that, and outside of Parliament they're failing at the narrative. The pessimistic bit is that the power centres are still poo poo. Failed Imagineer posted:More like bollocknese... etc. 
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May 11, 2023 16:04
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Nothingtoseehere posted:During the last decade, most centre-left social democract parties in Europe have collapsed in vote share, mostly due to their centreism and incompetence. Most notably the Socalist Party in France, but even the currently-governing SPD in Germany is only there as part of a 3-party coalition and are in equal competition with the Greens, rather than being a dominant partner. FPTP is the only reason this isn't already happening
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big scary monsters posted:That's really my most immediate concern about climate change. We're (most likely) not going to see the climate in northern Europe going to poo poo that badly in our lifetimes, but there are definitely going to be more and more displaced people from other regions and the question is how we deal with that. Militarised borders and concentration camps seems like a pretty plausible outcome right now. There are some hopeful outliers - in Germany and Sweden the public response to Syrians fleeing the war in 2015 (a war which was arguably an effect of climate change) was not too awful, refugees from Ukraine have been broadly seen in a sympathetic light across Europe. But then you look at the actual help offered even to the "good" refugees and the discourse about "economic migrants" and how that is apparently a bad thing and also anyone from certain countries isn't a real refugee and so on and it's all pretty grim. While it's a very evocative image, inter-country migration is rare for a reason - travelling long distances is hard. Migration, when it happens, tends to at first be inter-country - rural to urban, usually in the context of climate risks. Climate change may ruin your land, but it doesn't destroy your government, and people very much tend to stick to what they know rather than gamble on the unknown. See the recent floods in Pakistan - absolutely apocalyptic to those flooded, but the response isn't "flee to India" or even "flee to Islamabad", as much as "rebuilt what we had, but poorer". Even when, as in the case of Syria, you do get large migrations due to violence (which may be climate change linked), they mostly stay local - of the roughly 12 million Syrian refugees, only ~ 1 million fled to europe - most relocated in Syria, or went to Turkey or Lebanon. The future isn't swarms of indian climate migrants travelling half the way around the world to northern Europe, and that's just playing into conservative fantasies. The future is sprawling slums of New Delhi or Baghdad or Lagos as more and more people get pushed of their land by drought, with the linked economic crisis of reduced local output just as more imports are required to feed the population.
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sebzilla posted:FPTP is the only reason this isn't already happening Yeah, this. Easy to keep your voteshare with absolutely minimal effort if the barrier to compete is immensely high.
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https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1656640323177545730?t=OQt9YLfi-BwfbkD2_pKr7g&s=19 Lol. But surely he knows that you only have to turn your back for a second and they'll have hosed It
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May 11, 2023 17:05
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Bidens a moron who should stick to loving up his own country.
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Dysgenesis posted:Bidens a moron who should stick to loving up his own country. Since at least the Truman Doctrine, US Presidents have been explicitly committed to loving up multiple countries simultaneously
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May 11, 2023 17:14
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Find someone who loves you as much as Biden hates the English.
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May 11, 2023 17:14
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Biden hates all Brits equally. Except for Wales, because he watched that Free Willy movie and thought it was very unfair how Bill Clinton got done.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:While it's a very evocative image, inter-country migration is rare for a reason - travelling long distances is hard. Migration, when it happens, tends to at first be inter-country - rural to urban, usually in the context of climate risks. Climate change may ruin your land, but it doesn't destroy your government, and people very much tend to stick to what they know rather than gamble on the unknown. See the recent floods in Pakistan - absolutely apocalyptic to those flooded, but the response isn't "flee to India" or even "flee to Islamabad", as much as "rebuilt what we had, but poorer". Even when, as in the case of Syria, you do get large migrations due to violence (which may be climate change linked), they mostly stay local - of the roughly 12 million Syrian refugees, only ~ 1 million fled to europe - most relocated in Syria, or went to Turkey or Lebanon. Guavanaut posted:The optimistic bit is that it's like a few dozen arseholes doing that, and outside of Parliament they're failing at the narrative.
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May 11, 2023 17:20
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I mean the UK does love to screw around with Ireland from time to time.
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1656640323177545730?t=OQt9YLfi-BwfbkD2_pKr7g&s=19 Ireland are out of Eurovision while the UK is guaranteed a spot in the final, so it seems like his fears have been realised.
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1656640323177545730?t=OQt9YLfi-BwfbkD2_pKr7g&s=19 Good old Joe. He drove past our house on his way into Belfast
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Climate Change Talk. Depends on where the new wind streams lie, if any.
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smellmycheese posted:Good old Joe. He drove past our house on his way into Belfast " For you, the day Biden graced your village was the most important day of your life, Jack. Not a joke, not a joke. But for me, I didn't know what day it was, man." E: 
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Convex posted:on jeremy vine today: has wokeness impacted your workplace? co-presented by basil brush and gordon the gopher keep it on channel 5 until this evening for britain's hardest dinner lady
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Dysgenesis posted:Bidens a moron who should stick to loving up his own country. Tbh I think it's great that he was born on a Scranton street where the royal drums did beat
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Dysgenesis posted:Bidens a moron who should stick to loving up his own country. Prod detected
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Biden has enough on his plate without having to worry about the Troubles reigniting https://twitter.com/zachsilberberg/status/1627108785947828225
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1656640323177545730?t=OQt9YLfi-BwfbkD2_pKr7g&s=19 https://arethebritsatitagain.org/ 
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I think it's underappreciated just how hosed the UK is because we're mired on it. We're staying afloat due to money laundering but there's places that are doing it better than us and are only being held back because money men are scared of Muslims. As soon as conservatives realise the light of Islam we're hosed.
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Dysgenesis posted:Bidens a moron who should stick to loving up his own country. Speaking as a Nationalist and a Remainer, gently caress no. It's nice to have someone hold Westminster and Stormont by the bollocks and shame them into not being such complete assholes.
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Nilbop posted:Speaking as a Nationalist and a Remainer, gently caress no. 
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HopperUK posted:It won't make a drat bit of difference though will it? It will make a few of the butt hurt gammons die quicker from strokes and heart attacks. But other than that, not much.
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HopperUK posted:It won't make a drat bit of difference though will it? I'm not yet cynical enough to believe that the preferential treatment Northern Ireland has received since Brexit is due solely to the ineffable natural grace of Westminster and the DUP. And speaking purely from experience, it definitely makes a difference on the ground whenever we have large external stakeholders like the US and EU loudly saying "We're watching you to make sure you're not loving around in Northern Ireland, Britain," on account of the history of loving around here that happened before.
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Johnson was blatantly banking on a second Trump term for some of the poo poo he had planned, so however useless Cornpop is as POTUS it would have been worse.
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Guavanaut posted:Johnson was blatantly banking on a second Trump term for some of the poo poo he had planned, so however useless Cornpop is as POTUS it would have been worse. And there was increasing chatter on 'gently caress it lets build that irish border, it wont affect us, it will bring the Brexit we really wanted' from Hoey, Mogg, Davis, Farage, GB News, etc. Even after the red/green lane fix was dealt and the DUP was crying from its pram. A 'dont gently caress with NI' takes one of the things the tories can use to win the next election. "Here, we just strengthened our sovereignty by telling the EU to gently caress off out of NI. Sure the place is on fire and bodies are piling, but those are remoaners who don't appreciated British made goods which are now tax free." +70 election swing.
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Microplastics posted:I'd be super interested in what the anarchists' practical plan is for worldwide open borders - is it literally "just open the borders and let the world sort itself out?" Eh, I think that societal borders are they only thing that have stopped humanity from congregating en masse in one location to permanently strip mine it of resources and prosperity before moving onto the next. Edit: just realised that makes me sound like a close the borders type. I'm not, I just think a situation of 7+ billion people being able to go anywhere over the course of centuries before things like countries existed, would result in most of them going to the "best" spot until it wasn't the best anymore. Like giant megacity type poo poo. Kin fucked around with this message at 22:01 on May 11, 2023 |
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I would argue that based on historical observations, in fact borders help facilitate the separation of the strip miners from the people being strip mined, occupiers from occupied, and that ability is necessary for the accomplishment of rapacious extraction of value because if you felt like you belonged to the people and the place you were doing it to, you wouldn't. It is not the only mechanism, wealth and class, titles and offices also achieve it, but the nation and the border is a powerful tool.
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Kin posted:Eh, I think that societal borders are they only thing that have stopped humanity from congregating en masse in one location to permanently strip mine it of resources and prosperity before moving onto the next. Stopping free movement of people while pushing for that is just "yeah we stole all your resources, but what makes you think you can come get a job in our city that we built with all the resources that we stole?"
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Wouldn't that sense of belonging be the basis for “ownership“ and the start of countries/borders etc? If we're assuming a more nomadic approach (i.e. borders are no concept) would it not be a case of consuming everything as needed until nothing remained before moving on?
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I don't think open borders necessitates nomadism. Some people want to move, but they usually want to move and then stay where they moved to, and it doesn't mean they lose affinity for the place they moved from.
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It was often the other way around too. "Wherever the British went they built a fort, some docks, and a botanical garden, the latter to discover what valuable plants grown elsewhere might flourish under the guns of their fort as well." Imperial globalization was as much about plantation as extraction, although in the case of plantation it was the people whose labour was being extracted. Nomadic people seldom have the need for that.
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Also nomadic or semi-nomadic societies existed in relatively stable states for a long time until some event happened to force them out of it, often either someone else turning up and killing them or some major climatic disruption. People often moved simply where it was convenient, you have many ancient historical examples of seasonal settlement, where people would follow the weather and the food, they obviously understood that those resources were not always available and needed to be managed. It wasn't the native americans who nearly wiped out the bison despite having a lot more time to do it if they'd wanted to.
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