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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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getting reports from reliable sources that the Russians have like 10 Chem-Warriors and 30 Flame Tanks in their build queue
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capitalist war is bad Nazis are bad
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May 11, 2023 23:29
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Starsfan posted:I can't find any evidence for this. The European Union-Ukraine Association Agreement had been initiated by the previous government which was elected by the more EU friendly portions of the country and Yanukovych inherited that process. From what I have read the Yanukovych government negotiated with the EU for three years over the conditions and terms under which Ukraine would sign the agreement and then eventually determined that the Russian trade deal and loan bailout package was better for the interests of Ukraine. Just googled it and this is the first thing I found. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7805 Think it supports me but I could be reading it wrong.
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May 11, 2023 23:29
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drilldo squirt posted:Wow, rude. 
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May 11, 2023 23:29
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Can you give some examples of what you would count as "provoked" if this one is "unprovoked" to hazard a guess, when it's an invasion he likes its provoked and when it's one he doesn't like it's unprovoked
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May 11, 2023 23:29
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Cpt_Obvious posted:God don't give a gently caress about "should". The Ukrainian people are dying for a war they can't win. They seem to be doing just that though.
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May 11, 2023 23:29
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drilldo squirt posted:They seem to be doing just that though. bookmarking this post lol
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Cerebral Bore posted:to hazard a guess, when it's an invasion he likes its provoked and when it's one he doesn't like it's unprovoked I have made no indications of this. Your pushing an opinion on me that I do not have because you suck at debating. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 11, 2023 23:30
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm sorry but we have to agree to disagree. a big problem here is that you exist in a completely different informational reality from the thread to use myself as an example, in 2011 when nato started bombing libya is supported it i got my information about the conflict from reputable swedish media, and the picture i got was that the monster dictator gadaffi was murdering peacefull protestors wanting freedom and democracy and the "no fly zone" was implemented to stop him from massacring benghazi this was pretty much all false the protestors were a mix of some liberals and many islamists who were doing an armed uprising, there was no evidence that gadaffis troops had conducted large scale massacres when they took back towns, and as can be seen in the report from the british parliament the intention from the start was little more than an imperialist hitjob (france because gadaffi was talking about replacing the neo-colonial monetary scheme france implemented in west africa in return for letting them get indepencence, usa because of petrodollar stuff) (and, somewhat relevant to ukraine, the political divide between tripolitania and cyrenica was never mentioned) and if i had kept only consuming reputable western media i would never have learned about it and i would probably have agreed with everything you posted in the thread
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May 11, 2023 23:30
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drilldo squirt posted:They seem to be doing just that though. dying? they certainly are doing that
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May 11, 2023 23:30
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Megamissen posted:a big problem here is that you exist in a completely different informational reality from the thread don't forget that sarkozy literally owed gadaffi a bunch of illicit money the libyan war was astonishingly dirty
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May 11, 2023 23:31
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drilldo squirt posted:They seem to be doing just that though. in what ways have they won? They still have Russian forces within their borders, several cities completely destroyed and have sold off the country’s future for IMF loans. Even if they expel Russia completely I would still count that as an unambiguous loss.
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May 11, 2023 23:32
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V. Illych L. posted:dying? they certainly are doing that No you moron, wining.
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May 11, 2023 23:32
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drilldo squirt posted:I have made no indications of this. Your pushing an opinion on me that I do not have because you suck at debating. sorry ure wrong and also a complete dweeb for doing the debate me schtick
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May 11, 2023 23:32
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drilldo squirt posted:I have made no indications of this. Your pushing an opinion on me that I do not have because you suck at debating. DEBATE ME BRO YOU WILL LOSE
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May 11, 2023 23:32
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Cpt_Obvious posted:God don't give a gently caress about "should". The Ukrainian people are dying for a war they can't win. not all of them!! the rest will be heavily indebted due to the war tho, yay!
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May 11, 2023 23:33
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CongoJack posted:in what ways have they won? They still have Russian forces within their borders, several cities completely destroyed and have sold off the country’s future for IMF loans. Even if they expel Russia completely I would still count that as an unambiguous loss. I wouldn't, because they would have what they want. which is all their territory back.
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May 11, 2023 23:33
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which wars do you support op
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May 11, 2023 23:34
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drilldo squirt posted:I wouldn't, because they would have what they want. which is all their territory back. its very very important to care for the ukrainian state, drat the ukrainian people amirite
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May 11, 2023 23:34
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HallelujahLee posted:which wars do you support op All the wars.
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May 11, 2023 23:35
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drilldo squirt posted:I wouldn't, because they would have what they want. which is all their territory back. Very easy to say when you aren’t the one who has to live with the consequences! Also they haven’t “won” yet
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May 11, 2023 23:35
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i loving love borders bro maps define me
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May 11, 2023 23:35
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Delta-Wye posted:its very very important to care for the ukrainian state, drat the ukrainian people amirite I'm saying the people seem to want their territory back since they are going through a lot of trouble to do that.
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May 11, 2023 23:35
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the issue with the completely reasonable principle of not rewarding aggression is that there is no way of consistently enforcing it, because the only extant possible mechanism of enforcement is incredibly evil imperial powers which themselves enjoy the odd bout of aggression. thus, by taking the position selectively, one makes oneself an instrument of inter-imperial competition. this is very easy to see intellectually but also profoundly morally frustrating and so a lot of otherwise sensible people just choose to ignore it, preferring a kind of madness instead.
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May 11, 2023 23:36
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drilldo squirt posted:All the wars. its an easy question op this isnt some trap its ok
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May 11, 2023 23:36
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drilldo squirt posted:I do because unprovoked invasions should not be successful in today's world. I agree the USA should pull out of Syria immediately.
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May 11, 2023 23:36
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V. Illych L. posted:the issue with the completely reasonable principle of not rewarding aggression is that there is no way of consistently enforcing it, because the only extant possible mechanism of enforcement is incredibly evil imperial powers which themselves enjoy the odd bout of aggression. thus, by taking the position selectively, one makes oneself an instrument of inter-imperial competition. this is very easy to see intellectually but also profoundly morally frustrating and so a lot of otherwise sensible people just choose to ignore it, preferring a kind of madness instead. Even if I can't stop the united states or china from committing an aggressive act, I would still like to.
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May 11, 2023 23:38
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drilldo squirt posted:I do because unprovoked invasions should not be successful in today's world. no matter how it shakes out, there is no moral here
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May 11, 2023 23:38
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Egg Moron posted:no matter how it shakes out, there is no moral here What? Can you be clearer in what your saying?
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May 11, 2023 23:39
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm saying the people seem to want their territory back since they are going through a lot of trouble to do that. asking the people of lviv what fate shall befall the people of crimea is tip top shape democracy, i tell you what
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May 11, 2023 23:39
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drilldo squirt posted:I, don't know. I mean they want it back, but I don't know what the plan is unfortunately. Do the people in Crimea want to go back? drilldo squirt posted:Even if I can't stop the united states or china from committing an aggressive act, I would still like to. Really because it sounds a lot like you're in favor of the NATO proxy war against Russia.
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May 11, 2023 23:40
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drilldo squirt posted:Just googled it and this is the first thing I found. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7805 Think it supports me but I could be reading it wrong. It relates to the negotiations between the parties in 2013. They indicated they would sign the deal, then they backed out and said they wouldn't sign the deal unless they got better terms. The negotiations had been going on for 5 years at that point (they weren't even started by the Yanukovych government). I don't think Yanukovych was elected on the basis of being the person who was going to bring Ukraine into the EU (although I have read some articles that speculated that if he had signed the agreement it would have helped his chances of being re-elected). He was voted in be people that wanted a better relationship with Russia than the previous government had enjoyed, much like Zelenskyy was in 2018.
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May 11, 2023 23:41
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That's just an ancient Roman salute. I'm not sure what you're implying here.
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May 11, 2023 23:41
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Do the people in Crimea want to go back? I'm sorry democracies support other democracies.
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May 11, 2023 23:42
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Starsfan posted:It relates to the negotiations between the parties in 2013. They indicated they would sign the deal, then they backed out and said they wouldn't sign the deal unless they got better terms. The negotiations had been going on for 5 years at that point (they weren't even started by the Yanukovych government). I don't think Yanukovych was elected on the basis of being the person who was going to bring Ukraine into the EU (although I have read some articles that speculated that if he had signed the agreement it would have helped his chances of being re-elected). He was voted in be people that wanted a better relationship with Russia than the previous government had enjoyed, much like Zelenskyy was in 2018. I'm gonna read more into this.
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May 11, 2023 23:43
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm sorry democracies support other democracies. They do indeed! If only you knew what that means.
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May 11, 2023 23:43
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drilldo squirt posted:They seem to be doing just that though. Yeah? Weird cuz it looks like they lost a quarter of their country and are begging Russian allies for weapons.
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May 11, 2023 23:43
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drilldo squirt posted:What? Can you be clearer in what your saying? Read it to your dad and ask what it means.
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May 11, 2023 23:44
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Yeah? Weird cuz it looks like they lost a quarter of their country and are begging Russian allies for weapons. They managed to get part of it back, and it was a big part.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:They do indeed! If only you knew what that means. Buddy I do, but I'm doubting you.
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