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the companies pushing for more trains are just using them to transport coal, oil, lng, or corn ethanol. so pushing for more trains now is just going to help them
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May 12, 2023 19:37
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Trabisnikof posted:the companies pushing for more trains are just using them to transport coal, oil, lng, or corn ethanol. so pushing for more trains now is just going to help them
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May 12, 2023 19:39
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Trabisnikof posted:EVs would still be part of the solution even if they're not a pancea. This is complicated by the EV promoters who are treating them as a pancea. This only works if you do the 90% of cars off the road, and would be a bigger win with the remaining vehicles being ICE. Everyone in the thread is correct in that people want EVs because you can keep consuming, keep driving, keep contributing to climate change, while feeling good about it. It's recycling all over again, shift the onus to consumers, (hopefully people who buy EVs will successfully shame the rest of us to getting on board, then in 30-40 years we can all sit around wondering why it didn't work.
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May 12, 2023 19:42
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cat botherer posted:I think most people itt are mainly interested in passenger trains. of course that's what big train promises. but passenger trains are just a mask to continue our wasteful practices because you can keep consuming, keep traveling, keep contributing to climate change, while feeling good about it.
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May 12, 2023 19:48
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plus it may shock some itt to find out...trains run on fossil fuels!
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May 12, 2023 19:48
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put wind turbines on top of the trains so they generate power while moving
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May 12, 2023 19:50
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Lackmaster posted:another ding against EVs that I haven’t seen anyone mention so far is how disastrous cars (either EV or ICE) are from a land use perspective. acres of parking lots, roads, highways, residential sprawl, separation of uses with only roads to connect them. and this is another problem trains can't fix. if we replace cars with trains 1 to 1, we'd still need acres of parking lots for trains at the stores, railroads to everyone's homes, mainlines with 4x tracks in each direction. replacing cars with trains doesn't stop suburban sprawl or separation of uses with only railroads to connect them.
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May 12, 2023 19:50
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Trabisnikof posted:plus it may shock some itt to find out...trains run on fossil fuels! Japan has had electric high speed rail since 1967 It runs on fossil fuels in exactly the same sense electric cars do
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May 12, 2023 19:52
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Trabisnikof posted:and this is another problem trains can't fix. uhh street cars, bikes, and walking exist. you have the worst takes in the thread
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May 12, 2023 19:53
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Wheeee posted:put wind turbines on top of the trains so they generate power while moving Wait this might actually work for some routes. Like land sailing
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May 12, 2023 19:53
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cat botherer posted:Wait till you hear how much steel it would take to replace all cars 1:1 with new cars. Let me tell you about plastics, my friend.
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May 12, 2023 19:53
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there should be sail trains that work like a catamaran, where when you really get it going it tips up on one rail for half the rolling resistance
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May 12, 2023 19:56
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wish I could be as horny for anything as this guy is for the proper appreciation of evs as an extremely almost-relevant climate solution
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May 12, 2023 19:58
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I love the idea of the guy who doesn’t think trains will help because he is imagining everyone getting their own individual train that they park at their house and all the roads are train tracks and it’s just huge cars basically.
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May 12, 2023 20:03
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Wheeee posted:put wind turbines on top of the trains so they generate power while moving im submitting a grant to study this idea right now before you can
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May 12, 2023 20:03
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Japan has had electric high speed rail since 1967 exactly, they're both bad!
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May 12, 2023 20:04
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Tiny rowboats made from stretched skins of north american denizens have to be somewhere near the top of the list for green transportation
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May 12, 2023 20:09
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Maed posted:uhh street cars, bikes, and walking exist. you have the worst takes in the thread Hes just carpilled.
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May 12, 2023 20:18
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the real problem with cars is that there is no way to gradually shift away from them. everyone hates trains and busses in the US because they are infrequent, take longer to get to places, and usually don't have a straight route between where you are and where you want to go. but if everyone was only taking trains everywhere not only would there be more routes with more trains so you wouldn't have to wait long, cities would be designed way differently with everything much closer together since you don't need huge sprawling parking lots everywhere too. but you can't just suddenly conjure up a huge train network and change how every community in america is designed, and in the transition period everyone still has to use cars, so you can't even fix most of the problems. Honolulu just spent like 10 billion dollars on a train that basically doesn't go anywhere because they refused to disrupt the car infrastructure in any way. They should have just stolen a lane from the H1 and put a train on it, which would have been basically free, but instead they built an enormous elevated track that they didn't plan very well and can't actually get into the city. it's pretty funny
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May 12, 2023 20:18
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I've lived here for over a decade and they've been building this train the entire time lol. I'm gonna ride it for fun when it opens, but I have to drive to it lmao
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May 12, 2023 20:20
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Stereotype posted:the real problem with cars is that there is no way to gradually shift away from them. everyone hates trains and busses in the US because they are infrequent, take longer to get to places, and usually don't have a straight route between where you are and where you want to go. but if everyone was only taking trains everywhere not only would there be more routes with more trains so you wouldn't have to wait long, cities would be designed way differently with everything much closer together since you don't need huge sprawling parking lots everywhere too. but you can't just suddenly conjure up a huge train network and change how every community in america is designed, and in the transition period everyone still has to use cars, so you can't even fix most of the problems. i find myself thinking a lot about how short of a timespan this society has been car dominated, like it wasn't really starting until post-ww2 and even then the interstate wasn't even started until '56. we didn't even have a contiguous coast-to-coast freeway until '86 and the initial interstate system wasn't done until '92. the complications that arise in the middle of a transition, where you have to keep using the old system while building out the new one are also something i aimlessly ponder a lot. like you said, even if we've got a communist utopia overnight we've still got to keep an economy moving while we build our wonderful replacement. i guess just shutting down tourism and the military would degrowth hawaii pretty fast
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May 12, 2023 20:30
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It is easier to imagine the end of capitalism compared to increasing passenger rail service in the US.
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May 12, 2023 20:32
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Stereotype posted:I love the idea of the guy who doesn’t think trains will help because he is imagining everyone getting their own individual train that they park at their house and all the roads are train tracks and it’s just huge cars basically. so funnily enough, our cars have gotten so huge that a GMC Yukon or is as big or bigger than the Morgantown PRT system vehicles in both width and length, and almost as tall (which is mostly because the PRT has to go to actual stations) everyone could have their own personal one of these and we'd still probably end up driving smaller vehicles lol  but yes, im giggling hard at the idea of some dude putting truck nuts onto his mini-train, then grumbling as he spends 90 minutes driving to work in bumper to bumper mini-train traffic. "but what if i need to haul 100 cars of coal one day??? cant do that on a bike"
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May 12, 2023 20:39
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Wheeee posted:put wind turbines on top of the trains so they generate power while moving holy poo poo its genius
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May 12, 2023 20:40
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Trabisnikof posted:but yes, im giggling hard at the idea of some dude putting truck nuts onto his mini-train, then grumbling as he spends 90 minutes driving to work in bumper to bumper mini-train traffic. I was imagining the little electric... trams? That rail workers used to ride to the end of the line where they were working that day. Just a seat with 2 wheels and an electric motor. I have no idea what it's called and can't find it though.
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May 12, 2023 20:44
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what if we just grew sails out of our backs and laid down on skateboards
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May 12, 2023 20:45
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 just tweak one of these badboys
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May 12, 2023 20:46
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Trabisnikof posted:and this is another problem trains can't fix. LOL i have no idea if this is a bit. well played if so
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May 12, 2023 20:51
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we need nuclear trains. now, i know what you're thinking: how do you shield a nuclear reactor while keeping it light and small enough to be usable on a train? the answer is, you don't. because those trains will go so fast that they'll leave the radiation they emit behind so it won't affect the people on the train. i crunched the numbers and it works out
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May 12, 2023 20:51
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mustard has some good videos on trains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXEFj0t7Ek
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May 12, 2023 20:54
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:we need nuclear trains. now, i know what you're thinking: a nuclear-armed train? you're right, i am thinking that!
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May 12, 2023 20:55
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:we need nuclear trains. now, i know what you're thinking: how do you shield a nuclear reactor while keeping it light and small enough to be usable on a train? the answer is, you don't. because those trains will go so fast that they'll leave the radiation they emit behind so it won't affect the people on the train. i crunched the numbers and it works out Japan has nuclear trains You put the reactor in a fixed location and then feed the glow juice down a power line
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May 12, 2023 21:05
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Laterite posted:isn't part of the SO2 "reduction" just that shipbuilders started diverting the exhaust underwater rather than into the air? Sure, but the specific regulation in question was a reduction in allowed sulphur content from 3% to .5% in marine fuels
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May 12, 2023 21:12
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Japan has nuclear trains Those monsters! I hope they transition to clean coal & natural gas like the rest of climate conscious world.
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May 12, 2023 21:20
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Trabisnikof posted:and this is another problem trains can't fix. Imagining a version of America where everyone buys their own little train that is connected to this exact copy of our road infrastructure but it's all train tracks. Picture a congested train highway complete with rail rage
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May 12, 2023 21:24
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Japan has had electric high speed rail since 1967 less than 1% of American freight rail is electrified because this country is dysfunctional and the rail companies don't want to pay for anything
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May 12, 2023 21:27
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Griz posted:less than 1% of American freight rail is electrified because this country is dysfunctional and the rail companies don't want to pay for anything Yep 
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May 12, 2023 21:41
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I feel like I can deliver a speech to bring the thread together So, on one hand we have people who are saying that incremental changes over decades in the scope of the disaster we are already in are useless and should not be praised as they will never be enough and "Humans v. Climate" is a desperate race where you don't have time to stand back and congratulate yourself for doing something 30 years after a 10 year plan we already aren't doing On the other hand we have people who can't get over the fact something has a provable, mathematical, numerical difference on paper. 1+1=2. Nothing else matters. So I say to all of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWSdit919E0&t=791s
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May 12, 2023 21:54
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Get ready for more heat death https://www.opb.org/article/2023/05/12/portland-oregon-heat-wave-mothers-day-weekend-high-temperatures-warning/ quote:Portland could see record breaking temperatures over the weekend, with weather conditions similar to the deadly heat dome event in 2021.
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May 12, 2023 22:18
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4d3d3d posted:Get ready for more heat death PNW is just gonna get hosed up this summer. Gonna look like northern California soon enough
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