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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine just did a POW deal to exchange the ex-head of Motor Sich for 1,000 Ukrainian prisoners of war. Boguslaev, the former head of the company, worked for the Russians and encouraged them to carry out missile attacks against their own company's locations. The Ukrainians feel getting 1,000 of their own is worth the trade Wow, that's five medvedchuks
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine just did a POW deal to exchange the ex-head of Motor Sich for 1,000 Ukrainian prisoners of war. Boguslaev, the former head of the company, worked for the Russians and encouraged them to carry out missile attacks against their own company's locations. The Ukrainians feel getting 1,000 of their own is worth the trade Did that actually go through? All I see is that Boguslaev asked to be included in prisoner swaps and Podolyak was like "yeah sure, we'll swap him for 1000 guys"
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# ? May 12, 2023 20:09 |
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Russians "regrouping" to more advantageous positions, 2023 (colorized)
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# ? May 12, 2023 20:15 |
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Flavahbeast posted:Did that actually go through? All I see is that Boguslaev asked to be included in prisoner swaps and Podolyak was like "yeah sure, we'll swap him for 1000 guys" Not sure if it's gone through or not but tenses are weird in Russian so I could have just hosed up the translation and thought it was "has gone through" instead of "can go through". Russian is the foreign language I know the best but it's still my third lol
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# ? May 12, 2023 20:20 |
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Did the DoD ever mention specifically that they were sending these? Isn't this a pretty big deal? Either way I hope they sent an assload of them.
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# ? May 12, 2023 20:38 |
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WarGonzo pants making GBS threads increasing in velocity and liquidity. I left the bolding intact as posted so you can see when he takes another hit of copiumPeggy posted:There will be no second chance - the failure of the Ukrainian offensive will not leave the Kyiv regime a chance to continue the war Also bonus cope from another voenkor: lol posted:It is to be expected that these attacks will intensify these days in preparation for the offensive. Multiple news outlets citing Cherevaty, spokesman for the Eastern Military Group: Cherevaty posted:"Over three days of counteroffensives, the Ukrainian Armed Forces liberated 17.3 km² in the Bakhmut sector https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1657107631142588426?s=20 HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 12, 2023 |
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Months of attacks and tens of thousands of lives, with hundreds of pieces of equipment worth of gains, all wiped out in a matter of three days.
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quote:- Being increasingly modern, expensive and advanced weapons, the stocks of these will not be so extensive. You haven't seen the 3000 Abrams of Biden yet?
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# ? May 12, 2023 20:54 |
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zone posted:Months of attacks and tens of thousands of lives, with hundreds of pieces of equipment worth of gains, all wiped out in a matter of three days. Can you provide any sort of sources on this? There's a lot of Russian propaganda-level hyperbole in this thread lately and I'm scratching my head as to what you all are talking about. Did I miss something or do you really think the few square kilometres of territory that changed hands in the last few days, i.e. the tips of the failed Russian encirclement attempt on the northern and southern flanks, involved tens of thousands of Russian deaths and hundreds of pieces of destroyed Russian equipment? This is not the city of Bakhmut itself, and even then they'd have had to have retaken way past the train line for that to be anywhere close to reality I've tried to ignore it to this point but I'm just so confused that nobody else in the thread is calling this stuff out for being make believe. Every statement I've seen or read from the Ukrainian military, either soldiers/officers on the ground or official spokespeople, has said that the general reaction to these counterattacks is completely overblown, yet it just keeps on going. What have I missed?
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# ? May 12, 2023 21:10 |
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Russia still holds nearly all the area they spent all those men and all that equipment taking, sure. But given how many lives they have lost for every square meter taken, it is extremely striking when they just give up and abandon even small parts of it.
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# ? May 12, 2023 21:15 |
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boofhead posted:Can you provide any sort of sources on this? There's a lot of Russian propaganda-level hyperbole in this thread lately and I'm scratching my head as to what you all are talking about. Did I miss something or do you really think the few square kilometres of territory that changed hands in the last few days, i.e. the tips of the failed Russian encirclement attempt on the northern and southern flanks, involved tens of thousands of Russian deaths and hundreds of pieces of destroyed Russian equipment? This is not the city of Bakhmut itself, and even then they'd have had to have retaken way past the train line for that to be anywhere close to reality No they are not saying that the counteroffensive involved that many casualties to recapture. It's saying the Russians spent that much to take the territory up to that point in the first place. Bakhmut has notably been measured in progress such as meters per hundred deaths. One of the reasons Prigozhin is particularly mad about this localized series of counterattacks is because Wagner spent 500-600 casualties to take the area originally that Ukraine just recaptured. It took Wagner ~3 weeks to take what Ukraine recaptured in 3 days, and it's the drastic disparity in casualties taken on each side that is being pointed out right now. Ukraine's balance sheet is a lot lower for their recapture in terms of time spent and casualties taken in comparison to Wagner's balance sheet for taking it in the first place. The Bakhmut counterattacks are not the primary counteroffensive. These are just Ukraine seeing areas of opportunity where Russia is stretched too thinly and too damaged after the end of their winter offensive to repel, and they're busting through because they have the chance to NOW and they might not LATER. The main event is still to come. It's notable to point out these Bakhmut counterattacks precisely because Russia was grinding through thousands upon thousands of casualties since last fall to take the city up to the point where they have now, and Ukraine accomplishes equivalent progress in 3 days to what took Russia much, much longer to accomplish at a much higher price than the Ukrainians are paying for it. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 12, 2023 |
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Yeah, I'll be honest, I'd have thought Bakhmut would've been the one place Russia would not have given up for anything shot of Zelensky marching to Moscow, considering all the lives and materiel that they spent trying to take it. And they were so close too, or at least that was what the doomsaying just a few weeks or so ago was about. It's like bankrupting yourself to run a marathon in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere, and then making GBS threads yourself a metre before the front line and then going home.
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# ? May 12, 2023 21:31 |
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No one really knows why Bakhmut has ended up the way it is. Pretty sure even Ukraine were probably scratching their heads as to why Russia went all in on it. A line has to be drawn somewhere and Russia decided to draw the line instead for Ukraine. It's an absolute stupid waste of life but in the eyes of Ukraine generals, never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake. In this case a loving poo poo load of them.
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# ? May 12, 2023 21:50 |
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Tai posted:No one really knows why Bakhmut has ended up the way it is. Pretty sure even Ukraine were probably scratching their heads as to why Russia went all in on it. A line has to be drawn somewhere and Russia decided to draw the line instead for Ukraine. It's an absolute stupid waste of life but in the eyes of Ukraine generals, never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake. In this case a loving poo poo load of them. Instead, it's now both a tactical AND strategic blunder that will be one more lesson learned about the effects of terrible leadership and misplaced priorities in the warfighting environment.
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# ? May 12, 2023 21:55 |
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Tai posted:No one really knows why Bakhmut has ended up the way it is. Pretty sure even Ukraine were probably scratching their heads as to why Russia went all in on it. A line has to be drawn somewhere and Russia decided to draw the line instead for Ukraine. It's an absolute stupid waste of life but in the eyes of Ukraine generals, never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake. In this case a loving poo poo load of them. Russia needed a win badly, and Bakhmut was there. To get something done fast, Russia publicly over-committed to a meaningless battle that their Elite Private Army was already doing, and Ukraine was more than happy to oblige them due to being a defending side on an urban warfare in a place where their artillery, anti-air and pre-made defenses enabled them to just bleed out the opponent while slowly backing out when necessary. Zelenskyi visited the city while it was being actively attacked, that's how prepared they were and that should have been a red flag for the Russians but why start doing smart moves now? In the end, it turned out to be the battle of Verdun for the Russians, and when they started to stupidly publicly cry out about being overstretched and out of ammo, Ukraine just started to push them out after they confirmed that the public outcries were in fact, true. I don't have that image "We are glad that they are so bad at this" at hand but I'd post it here if I had it. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:01 on May 12, 2023 |
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Der Kyhe posted:Russia needed a win badly, and Bakhmut was there. To get something done fast, Russia publicly over-committed to a meaningless battle that their Elite Private Army was already doing, and Ukraine was more than happy to oblige them due to being a defending side on an urban warfare in a place where their artillery, anti-air and pre-made defenses enabled them to just bleed out the opponent while slowly backing out when necessary. Zelenskyi visited the city while it was being actively attacked, that's how prepared they were and that should have been a red flag for the Russians but why start doing smart moves now?
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:02 |
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Der Kyhe posted:I don't have that image "We are glad that they are so bad at this" at hand but I'd post it here if I had it.
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lmao
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:07 |
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"Deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Viktor Vodolatsky came under fire in Russian controlled Luhansk. https://t.co/UA0bAmOVX0" Dudes being walked out of some building wreckage with a bit of blood in his forehead - I didn't see anything else in the background
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:21 |
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Exactly.
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:30 |
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Der Kyhe posted:I don't have that image "We are glad that they are so bad at this" at hand but I'd post it here if I had it.
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:39 |
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1,000 casualties a day for a few months. You cannot keep that going without this being the end result. Where the PTSD Of the soldier gets to where they don't give a poo poo whether they die or not. This is literally what happened in WW1 AND 2. Shell shock will destroy your self preservation.
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:42 |
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FMguru posted:What has really struck me about Russia's whole "Bakhmut or Bust" campaign is that they threw away the major advantage to being on the offensive: specifically, having the initiative and being able to pick the time and place of your attacks and forcing the defender to respond. When you signal ahead of time that you are just going to pour all your resources into a single part of the front and you are going to just batter forward there come hell or high water and you do just that, you just made the defense's job a thousand times easier. Well, you really leave me no choice here
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:42 |
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Even if this is a winding down of Bakhmut I don't know how to classify it as anything other than willful stupidity by the Russians and an unfortunate necessity to meet blood with blood by the Ukrainian defenders.
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:43 |
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Certainly not helping matters that the reward for managing to live for six months in Bakhmut is being sent home with a license to be as psychopathic as you want and the official response of the government security forces is for people to be grateful for you Guardian posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/22/alcohol-and-prostitutes-wagner-convicts-pardoned-by-putin-return-to-terrorise-home-towns HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 12, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1657126013002809346
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:45 |
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lmao I think that one might be one goblin rant too far. Just outright going on about blocking units liquidating fleeing regular units is uhhhh, hmm. hmmmmmmm
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Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:56 |
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HonorableTB posted:lmao I think that one might be one goblin rant too far. Just outright going on about blocking units liquidating fleeing regular units is uhhhh, hmm. The next guestion is where are the Rosvgardian units or Tiktok commander's units deployed. They are the blocking units used but is there something behind Wagner? And if there isn't, doesn't this leave a huge hole to their frontline?
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# ? May 12, 2023 22:57 |
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HonorableTB posted:lmao I think that one might be one goblin rant too far. Just outright going on about blocking units liquidating fleeing regular units is uhhhh, hmm. Imagine this happening to any other country on the planet. Imagine Blackrock shooting US Marines, and then broadcasting it worldwide. We're seeing a total breakdown of authority. Edit: *Blackwater
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:08 |
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Der Kyhe posted:The next guestion is where are the Rosvgardian units or Tiktok commander's units deployed. They are the blocking units used but is there something behind Wagner? And if there isn't, doesn't this leave a huge hole to their frontline? The Kadyrovites are don likely don somewhere far away from don the action pretendong to be at the frontlines don. Check the nearest don Rosneft-accepting don gas station and there's a good don chance ramdon is there, don
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:10 |
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So the different factions are literally shooting at each other? Seems notable (assuming it's true, which is far from a given)
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:12 |
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:17 |
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They are gonna push this dude out of the last intact window in Bakhmut before they pull out lol.
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:20 |
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This war is going to go on for a while isnt it
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:21 |
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HappyHippo posted:So the different factions are literally shooting at each other? Seems notable (assuming it's true, which is far from a given) It's not the first time different parts of the Russian army have shot each other. In the early days of the war, Buryats and Kadyrovites would often get into arguments over loot, especially when the Kadyrovites would try stealing from the Buryats. There was a well known incident during the siege of Kherson where Russian regular army and FSB got into a gunfight in a bar because the FSB scolded the regulars for drinking on duty. Wagner have gotten into shootings before with both the regular army, mobiks, and some other group I don't remember exactly off hand.
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:23 |
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HonorableTB posted:lmao , just I'd like to see the after action report on the RU side. Did we get it? No, it was shot down by the system we were targeting, which it wasn't supposed to be able to do.
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:37 |
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1657133852052037638 Somehow, I doubt Russia will hold up their end of the bargain, but points for trying
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# ? May 12, 2023 23:44 |
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:Imagine this happening to any other country on the planet. Imagine Blackrock shooting US Marines, and then broadcasting it worldwide. We're seeing a total breakdown of authority. It's entirely possible that Wagner did the running and the regulars did the shooting. We just don't know, and the goblin is not a reliable source.
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:I'd like to see the after action report on the RU side.
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