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A lot of people naturally assume that "ethical treatment" does not include murder. The fools
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The issue with PETA's shelters wasn't that they euthanized some animals. Unless they are explicitly a "no kill" shelter, many shelters do euthanize animals. The problem with PETA's shelters was that a typical animal shelter has a 10% euthanization rate. That 10% is generally very elderly or sick animals. PETA had a large network of shelters, and this was not happening at every shelter, but 3 or 4 of PETA's shelters in New York and Virginia had 96% and 99% euthanization rates. The issue wasn't that they were euthanizing animals at all, it's that they were euthanizing almost every animal that came in. The one in Virginia eventually got shut down after the AKC and Veterinary Medical Association called it out. quote:AKC and VVMA Express Outrage at PETA Approach to Euthanasia in Animal Shelter https://www.akc.org/press-center/articles-resources/akc-vvma-express-outrage-peta-approach-euthanasia-animal-shelter/
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May 12, 2023 18:47
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Mooseontheloose posted:From my brief foray into energy policy (and too agree) hydrogen is not cheap to make yet. Last I read natural gas providers are the closest to making hydrogen somewhat affordable via pyrolysis. And there is no storage infrastructure for Hydrogen either. As Cat pointed out batteries have advanced a lot but a lot of what the BIF/IRA legislation does is ramp up production of battery production and supply chain production to move to electrification. https://www.power-eng.com/gas/big-oils-interest-in-hydrogen-boon-or-bane/
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May 12, 2023 18:58
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The issue with PETA's shelters wasn't that they euthanized some animals. Unless they are explicitly a "no kill" shelter, many shelters do euthanize animals.
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May 12, 2023 19:00
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and yet years ago (or maybe even still? Is she still in leadership? does medical science still get it from animals?), one of PETA's top leaders used insulin derived from animal. the only moral animal derived mdecinie is mine, gently caress you got mine.
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May 12, 2023 19:05
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cat botherer posted:PETA is ideologically opposed to pets (having a dog is akin to slavery), so in their twisted logic it can actually be more ethical to just kill them instead of consigning them to a lifetime of slavery/belly rubs. Dogs and humans have literally evolved alongside each other for something like 20,000-40,000 years. Domestication is the natural state of dogs.
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May 12, 2023 19:07
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Adenoid Dan posted:Dogs and humans have literally evolved alongside each other for something like 20,000-40,000 years. Domestication is the natural state of dogs. PETA's more of a L. Ron Hubbard-style grift cult than a legitimate organization at this point.
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May 12, 2023 19:11
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Adenoid Dan posted:Dogs and humans have literally evolved alongside each other for something like 20,000-40,000 years. Domestication is the natural state of dogs. Logic doesn't work on radicalized people.
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May 12, 2023 19:14
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Adenoid Dan posted:Dogs and humans have literally evolved alongside each other for something like 20,000-40,000 years. Domestication is the natural state of dogs. Well yeah, that's why they're killing them
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May 12, 2023 19:16
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might as well get the other major parts of the trio, but isnt Greenpeace and Seashpard also as nicely stated above "L. Ron Hubbard-style grift cults" like they had a tiny atom of good idea, but their core founders were rich people with ego problems.
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May 12, 2023 19:18
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PETAs stance, as I understand it, is and always has been focused on opposition to the unnecessary exploitation of animals, especially industrialized exploitation for profit, with the explicit except of when it is necessary for human survival Maybe I'm missing something but that would usually mean an opposition to pets in general, although I'm sure it's not a uniform opinion across the org.
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May 12, 2023 19:21
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To be fair to PETA, it was only 3 or 4 of their shelters that were killing nearly all of the animals. They have many across the country that were not killing all of them (although, they apparently have above-average kill rates). And their leader was diabetic and using insulin developed from animal testing, but even if I was against animal testing I wouldn't just die to prove a point because animal testing 20 years ago led to the medicine I was using today. As someone that fosters old and sick dogs (who are rarely adopted, so they effectively become our dogs 90% of the time), I am not a fan of PETA in general. But, I don't think they were necessarily being hypocrites by not killing themselves over previous animal testing or that all of their shelters were explicitly ideological death factories.
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May 12, 2023 19:29
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I've heard enough horror stories about PETA (and also considering how gleefully sadistic their "game parodies" tend to be) that I'm convinced that the majority of their staff are the sadists who grew up hurting animals and weren't allowed to work at actual pet shelters. Just stuff about poor living conditions for their animals in addition to their ridiculously high kill rate.
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May 12, 2023 19:31
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Peta was a fringe organization that evolved into a big tent org that houses everything from eco-terrorists to bog standard anti-cruelty types to philosophical vegans. It still does a lot of bad but the average person who loves animals signing up for their newsletter is largely ignorant of that, and the degree to which the latter outnumber the former (and steer the overall purpose of the org) sounds like it's up for debate.
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lol when da ALGO of netflix or whatever boost a anti PETA doc and a bunch of ignorant people go "waaaaaaa i some how never knew about this thing thats like the 2nd search engine entry or under Wikipedia's 'controversies' section " (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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forbidden dialectics posted:There are much simpler, cheaper, and less potentially explosive ways to do this. For example, you can pump water from a reservoir at low elevation to one at higher elevation. When you want to generate that back into electricity, you have a turbine on the outlet of the higher elevation reservoir that the water flows through back into the lower elevation reservoir. There are numerous other grid-scale systems like this. Here is a pretty cool video about one of these in England. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jx_bJgIFhI
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May 12, 2023 19:50
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I don't know if it's a universally agreed upon bar but the humane society no kill standard isn't STRICTLY no kill, but the exceptions are sensical and rare: an animal that straight up will never have any quality of life again, or an animal that is so untreatably aggressive that it's a danger to any humans it interacts with. The one I know best makes expensive heroic efforts to resolve... well, both, but especially the medical treatment side. I don't know they've ever euthanized a cat for aggression in my whole time knowing them, we have a very successful barn cat program where demon cats can just gently caress around outside forever. Sadly a couple dogs get it every year because apparently we have some problems with loving dogfight rings and they psychologically destroy the dogs. The two things about it are that you need to really stand by your commitment to treatment rather than euthanization if possible, and no euthanizations for capacity period full stop no exceptions. This shelter partners with a bunch of others (particularly in the north where rescue numbers go ... down a bit... in the winter) where a full shelter can ship pets to a trustworthy empty shelter.
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cat botherer posted:Oh yeah. The vast majority of hydrogen, even that used by the small number of hydrogen vehicles in existence, is cracked from natural gas. Oil companies have been really trying to push a lot of "green" hydrogen nonsense as a way to delay the phaseout of fossile fuels. I mean just to be clear, you can make hydrogen with clean energy. A lot of EV proponents will claim that’s it’s significantly less efficient than just charging an EV with the energy you would’ve used to create the hydrogen and they’d be right but there’s a ton of advantages with hydrogen like instant refueling. Batteries aren’t going to be the only solution, there’s cases where energy density can’t realistically be met by batteries (yet). If we get significant improvements in hydrogen storage (and that’s a big if) it’ll be a big win for moving away from fossil fuels.
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This feels like a parody https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1657123074729463808?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA Somehow this man thinks he will still get to be president some day
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cat botherer posted:PETA is ideologically opposed to pets (having a dog is akin to slavery), so in their twisted logic it can actually be more ethical to just kill them instead of consigning them to a lifetime of slavery/belly rubs. I’m not a PETA fan, but their ideologies aren’t anywhere near this stupid: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ Kalit fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 12, 2023 |
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May 12, 2023 22:16
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like a parody Come on, that can't be real.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like a parody Imagine what the cover picture options he rejected look like.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like a parody That looks like Gordon Freeman's brother
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Gyges posted:Imagine what the cover picture options he rejected look like.  He went with "are we the baddies?"
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May 12, 2023 22:35
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A real man would know how to insert his dentures properly
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Name Change posted:Come on, that can't be real. edit: yeah, that one up above
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like a parody come on. come ON!
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Name Change posted:Come on, that can't be real. Even if it was, lighting someone up for not having traditional masculine qualities kind of sucks.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Even if it was, lighting someone up for not having traditional masculine qualities kind of sucks. He is appealing to those masculine qualities. Hypocrisy is nearly always fair game. Anyway the most obvious one is that treason isn’t generally considered among the traditional masculine virtues.
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The most famous republican overthrow was the man est of man’s men right fr a ten year war of conquest vs perfumed old guys and writers (whose wives the first guy famously loved to gently caress). Machismo killed Rome. Buy my book.
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kronix posted:I mean just to be clear, you can make hydrogen with clean energy. A lot of EV proponents will claim that’s it’s significantly less efficient than just charging an EV with the energy you would’ve used to create the hydrogen and they’d be right but there’s a ton of advantages with hydrogen like instant refueling. Hydrogen's only benefit is it's relative transportability compared to better battery technologies. There is zero reason to ever use a hydrogen system for fixed power plants, stationary battery methods are already better than hydrogen can be theoretically last time I looked at the numbers. Hydrogen is an alternative for renewable biofuels, that's it, which is good because all the better biofuel tech (like algal) that seemed so promising seems to be dead in the water this year, but also bad because it's still not as good as our pretty lovely existing biofuels processes.
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I worked part-time in a warehouse back in college. They used electric pallet jacks with swappable batteries, which were basically these giant metal bricks that we stored in a very heavily ventilated corner of the building. Even then management warned us to be careful about doing anything that might cause sparks to fly - in general, obviously, but especially around the battery storage area because apparently those things released hydrogen gas during their charge cycle and they were loving terrified of anything that could set it off.
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Adenoid Dan posted:Dogs and humans have literally evolved alongside each other for something like 20,000-40,000 years. Domestication is the natural state of dogs. Yeah, and cats domesticated themselves. They actively chose to hang around with humans because our food supplies attracted delicious rats and mice and cats were like "I live here now" and humanity as a whole has just been rolling with that ever since. Seriously, the domestication process of the cat is so funny when compared to the domestication process of other animals like dogs and horses because with those critters there was a long process of selective breeding, but cats just showed up and are pretty much exactly the same genetically as they were when they were wild animals.
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Hydrogen is probably the fuel source that should be furthest away from cars unless about 90% of people get their licenses pulled. Its almost hard to think of a worse fuel without reaching into the exotic soviet rocket fuels. Plug in hybrids make far more sense as a transition vehicle, especially for the long haul/persistent use applications where full EVs struggle. The real solution is of course trains but America's railroad policy is and has been literally spending 80 years picking all the wrong options so that's not happening. BTW the true killer for hydrogen is infrastructure. Average unit cost for a single pump was 2 million dollars. Compared to both EV stations and traditional pumps which come in around 3000 per unit (aside from a few fire safety features and on board payment the fuel pump hasn't changed much from its introduction). Barrel Cactaur fucked around with this message at 04:39 on May 13, 2023 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, and cats domesticated themselves. They actively chose to hang around with humans because our food supplies attracted delicious rats and mice and cats were like "I live here now" and humanity as a whole has just been rolling with that ever since. It's believed that dogs also self-domesticated themselves.
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Any 'No Kill' pet center that releases cats into the wild hates cats and wild animals.
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Charlz Guybon posted:It's believed that dogs also self-domesticated themselves. Possibly but while wolves and dogs might still be the same species the differences are quite evident. By now humans have managed to get dog domestication into their DNA; look at a wolf for like 5 minutes and you'll notice they aren't a dog from a lot of small things. Look at a tiger and gently caress me that's just a big cat.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like a parody A. J. Rimmer is a Red Dwarf character so I'm guessing parody.
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Kalit posted:I’m not a PETA fan, but their ideologies aren’t anywhere near this stupid: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ Yeah, their language is more blunt and off-putting, but otherwise that's a very sensible policy. I worked for a spay/neuter program as part of a larger animal rights org/sanctuary and that was pretty much our mission, to get as many dogs and cats spayed and neutered as possible.
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Kalit posted:I’m not a PETA fan, but their ideologies aren’t anywhere near this stupid: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ uhh, its not on their website, it is just something that has shown up in interviews with the executives and people that worked there.
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