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$50m to protect homes from flooding? Lol wait until the real price is calculated.
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May 13, 2023 20:57
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Wheeee posted:the raccoons shall inherit the earth https://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-09-05/the-next-ten-billion-years/ posted:Meanwhile, in the tropical forests of what is now southern Siberia, the descendants of raccoons who crossed the Bering land bridge during the last great ice age are proliferating rapidly, expanding into empty ecological niches once filled by the larger primates. In another thirty million years or so, their descendants will come down from the trees.
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May 13, 2023 21:03
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err posted:$50m to protect homes from flooding? Lol wait until the real price is calculated. Haha yeah that's barely anything. Notice that even our token efforts to prepare/mitigate the coming apocalypse are failing or being cancelled? Hmm
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May 13, 2023 21:05
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i will marxishly insist that energy, land and raw materials do nothing without labor inputs. the energy process starts at the sun, but labor is a load bearing moment in that process.
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May 13, 2023 21:16
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number... not go up...? https://twitter.com/JimBair62221006/status/1657479303939125250?s=20
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May 13, 2023 21:18
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Ruggan posted:ok, scrap that We're orbiting the Sun at 108,000 km/h and you would need get to 108,000 km/h in the opposite direction to counteract that and "fall" into the Sun.
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May 13, 2023 21:19
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I probably described that wrong but I'm still right, in the spirit of it.
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May 13, 2023 21:22
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brakeless posted:video game worlds do just fine with maybe three types of fish, two different domesticated animals, and like two dozen mutated mockeries of our current fauna
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May 13, 2023 21:26
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:actually you'll find that i am extremely good at driving so none of that matters for me. also get the gently caress out of my way before i run you off the road its ideological siblings with "good guy with a gun" and "a polite society is a well armed society". I trust any and every american in a car on the road because they're just as likely to die in an accident as they are to kill me. mutually assured destruction with 10 - 100 strangers a day, every day, as a lifestyle. JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:i grew up driving, went on super long road trips all the time in my 20s it is insane. now get used to it. hahahahaha. MightyBigMinus has issued a correction as of 21:30 on May 13, 2023 |
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May 13, 2023 21:28
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Osv18 posted:i will marxishly insist that energy, land and raw materials do nothing without labor inputs. the energy process starts at the sun, but labor is a load bearing moment in that process. me, staring ruefully at marx for not exploring the metabolic rift further
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May 13, 2023 21:33
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I probably described that wrong but I'm still right, in the spirit of it. sorta. pretty sure you'd just use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v_budget?useskin=vector to compare this unless you want to use something that isnt a rocket to get off earth. i think you have a few paths to get to eventually impact the sun so the initial direct sun transfer which is very expensive is misleading. it would probably be an actual very difficult problem to find the cheapest way to impact the sun if you were allowed to use every orbital/physics trick you could and there was no time limit. im guessing one of the various solar probes. or i guess just the parker solar probe? i thought there were more... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576520306512 im not sure how much of that is complicated because they wanted multiple flybys at specific points but compared to actually getting into the sun orbit adjusting that stuff is extremely cheap. so probably however they got that probe into the sun's orbit is the cheapest realistic way.  edit: Ulysses probe is probably a better example. all the papers showing the orbital mission poo poo are ancient/busted or just a bit poo poo though. https://sci.esa.int/web/ulysses/-/31043-orbit-navigation Cuttlefush has issued a correction as of 21:46 on May 13, 2023 |
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May 13, 2023 21:36
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Our first contact with aliens will just be us finding a big garbage bag.
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May 13, 2023 21:47
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And being asked to get in it?
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May 13, 2023 21:55
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Osv18 posted:i will marxishly insist that energy, land and raw materials do nothing without labor inputs. the energy process starts at the sun, but labor is a load bearing moment in that process. the sun does not extract surplus value and is therefore part of the working class. energy is the sun's labor
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May 13, 2023 22:03
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Hubbert posted:me, staring ruefully at marx for not exploring the metabolic rift further labour is just anthropomorphized energy.
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May 13, 2023 22:04
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Ah earthlings! Please recycle this space freighter of meta trash, our space time continuum is dyin.
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May 13, 2023 22:05
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Colonel Cancer posted:Ah earthlings! Please recycle this space freighter of meta trash, our space time continuum is dyin. Sure, we can "recycle" that no problem. 
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May 13, 2023 22:20
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Microplastics posted:And being asked to get in it? Are you telling me to get in the bin? Brendan Rodgers has issued a correction as of 22:57 on May 13, 2023 |
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May 13, 2023 22:32
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:the sun does not extract surplus value and is therefore part of the working class. energy is the sun's labor the sun is an alien waging thermodynamic war on earth
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May 13, 2023 22:44
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:number... not go up...? A bunch of warehouses just finished being built over by the nearest highway here because a few years ago the farmers who owned those acres of land saw the writing on the wall and sold 
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May 13, 2023 22:50
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Zodium posted:the sun is an alien waging thermodynamic war on earth Maybe if we allowed one person to own the Sun. Then they could profit from it directly. Capital could finally be appeased.
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May 13, 2023 22:54
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Maybe if we allowed one person to own the Sun. Then they could profit from it directly. Capital could finally be appeased. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LbxDZRgA4
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May 13, 2023 23:05
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My brain is tired -all I'm seeing is goatse in figs 3.1 & 3.2 More goatse. JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:number... not go up...? Is this continuing the problems Durham wheat producing areas are having? Italians are already really unhappy with the spike in pasta prices. I don't want to think what will happen if Kraft Dinner prices itself out of reach.
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May 14, 2023 00:20
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Has anyone seen The Great Global Warming swindle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ This old CHUD guy at the dog park who shares his weed with me asked me what I'd do about NYC's "immigration problem" and I explained I wouldn't know at all what to do - whereas previously simply not doing imperialism would've done the trick, these days you need to literally fix climate change to address the problem. And then I noted that that's not possible. Obviously he said that that's non-sense and promised to forward me this video, which he did. Now I can watch it and debunk it that way, not watch and not respond, or someone can summarize what's stupid about it and I can just respond using that. I am curious but my guess is I last 5 minutes.
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May 14, 2023 00:29
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https://twitter.com/CollapseSurvive/status/1657506110348177409
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May 14, 2023 00:46
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maybe those doomer teens should stop reading this thread
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May 14, 2023 00:49
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quote:Is anyone else having a massive problem with ticks already this year in the U.S? ticks ftw. america is founded on parasitic blood sucking, might as well die by it imo
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May 14, 2023 00:57
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Has anyone seen The Great Global Warming swindle? It's contrarian climate denier poo poo made specifically to argue against "An Inconvenient Truth" The core concept based on the summary and the few minutes I watched seems to be saying that climate change is natural by pointing at a natural shift in the climate (the little ice age warmup) and a series of other natural points in history where the climate changed while suggesting people are only worried about it for financial gain. I skipped around and at 35 minutes they are dropping "Global Cooling in the 1970s" as a way to cast doubt on the science. 44 minutes a scientist is saying they have to say they are doing global warming research to get money. This is presented as suspicious and a suggestion that climate change itself is all about money, so everyone talking about it has something to gain. I'm not sure if you want to waste your time trying to debunk this to someone that is forwarding it to you. The argument to debunk that is a complex one that the world can actually go through a natural warming period and we can cause climate change on top of that making it worse. The people eating this poo poo up don't understand the little ice age lingering around probably helped to temper our impact on the climate, it doesn't prove some other independent phenomenon is happening instead of climate change.
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May 14, 2023 01:01
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you can't fix people who believe that sort of poo poo, either they'll come around to reality on their own or not
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May 14, 2023 01:04
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Has anyone seen The Great Global Warming swindle? Without even looking at it I'll just take the premise face value; humans are too tiny and insignificant to do anything to the planet and what's happening is all natural forces... which still means that human civilization is about to face the same forces which caused the Permian Extinction in 10,000 years in only a couple centuries. It still means that the biosphere is collapsing globally with unprecedented alacrity, for whatever mysterious reasons totally unrelated to human civilization (god did it I guess). Also this doesn't address ever decreasing ROI on energy production and what that'd about to do to global industrial civilization all on its lonesome but hey again we can just ignore the causes and look at the effects. Denialism on the causes doesn't matter - business as usual is still a dead end. The only people that care about anyone getting the causes right at this point are hopeless pedantic nerds like me because we're well beyond the point where that matters.
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May 14, 2023 01:05
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get some possums dumbass
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May 14, 2023 01:06
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That's what I figured. And you're right, explaining/convincing with respect to solar cycles and Little Ice Age is definitely far more effort than it's worth.
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May 14, 2023 01:12
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Simply direct them to Something Awful Discussion (SAD) for tips on how to fix that
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May 14, 2023 01:24
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those teens need to post more about video games and less about sad things
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May 14, 2023 01:35
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if they are engineer brained you can try getting them to look at modeling. if they actually do look at modeling studies they'd see that the orders of magnitude breakdown between heating sources and sinks very clearly shows that most of those natural oscillations end up being very small compared to the heating from co2. also they can be deconvolved or convolved and you can pretty much see what the min and max scenarios are and whether a big little ice age would do anything. if they don't trust the models that's their problem. people who heard milankovitch cycle mentioned once and then never investigate it or any of the other natural variations and just assume they're big. can't help those people. they don't actually want to find anything out.
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May 14, 2023 01:36
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Oh he's... he's a friend. I wouldn't describe him as bright.
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May 14, 2023 01:40
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There's like 86 concurrent wildfires in Alberta, it's only getting hotter this week. How's Hell Niño hitting Cali?
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May 14, 2023 02:06
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Puppy Burner posted:There's like 86 concurrent wildfires in Alberta, it's only getting hotter this week. How's Hell Niño hitting Cali? toasty today, 77-92 depending on region, but not bad yet. no fires yet, but things are still pretty damp/green from rains and haven't dried out into turbo-fire kindling. usually takes a month or two. i expect late august thru sept-oct is going to be the turbo fire season where the state burns down.
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May 14, 2023 02:08
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Wheeee posted:the raccoons shall inherit the earth
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May 14, 2023 02:25
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Agronox posted:get some possums dumbass For years we've had a watch for possums on Vancouver Island. They've managed to make it to a couple of neighbouring Gulf islands but not the main one yet and we're kind of terrified about their arrival. otoh if they eat ticks I might have to rethink my position. A lot more useful than Trash Pandas, time for alien invasive species to occupy vacant niches. Puppy Burner posted:There's like 86 concurrent wildfires in Alberta, it's only getting hotter this week. How's Hell Niño hitting Cali? otoh I feel sorry for the people in Alberta having their homes and livelihoods threatened by wildfires. otoh it's hilarious listening to the complaints that the face-eating leopards they keep electing have cut anti-wildfire programs to skeleton crews and are now eating faces. A heat wave is hitting the coast. Everything in the garden is either bolting to seed or curling up and dying. The heat is melting off the snowpack early and turbocharging the floods in the Interior. Can't wait until the water disappears and things start getting really dry. We'll see if B.C.'s commie socialist government does any better. Hopefully it will be a while before we have to ask our firefighters to come home from Alberta.
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