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Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

qirex posted:

So much of the "conventional wisdom" about digital audio is just some throwaway comment from a magazine review in 1986 that has been repeated so many times it becomes "true."

If you want a laugh, ask an audiophile what the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem is. They’ll get mad and change the subject.

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qirex
Feb 15, 2001

It's critically important I have my 192/96 flacs, also I sleep hanging upside down by my feet in a cave and eat insects and small birds.

e: Additional breaking news for this thread: Marantz is going to start selling some of its receivers and integrated amps in silver in the United States!

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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qirex posted:

It's critically important I have my 192/96 flacs, also I sleep hanging upside down by my feet in a cave and eat insects and small birds.

:same:

qirex posted:

e: Additional breaking news for this thread: Marantz is going to start selling some of its receivers and integrated amps in silver in the United States!

Marantz appears to be outsourcing their cassette decks to get them out cheap which kinda stinks.

There's still plenty of used decks out there that aren't impossible to fix, as the Anadialog guy says. But the dumb "ooh, shiny" part of my brain still wants a new one

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

olives black posted:

:same:

Marantz appears to be outsourcing their cassette decks to get them out cheap which kinda stinks.

There's still plenty of used decks out there that aren't impossible to fix, as the Anadialog guy says. But the dumb "ooh, shiny" part of my brain still wants a new one

Outsourcing to whom? Is it the same Tanashin mechanism as everywhere else?

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Ok Comboomer posted:

Outsourcing to whom? Is it the same Tanashin mechanism as everywhere else?

idk but he goes through like 3 or 4 other decks and it's p obvious that they're all rebrands

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

olives black posted:

idk but he goes through like 3 or 4 other decks and it's p obvious that they're all rebrands

Yeah, watching the video more appears to answer my question

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Ok Comboomer posted:

Yeah, watching the video more appears to answer my question

:shrug: I wish he went into more depth too. He says that the specs aren't great on the new decks, but doesn't say anything about what ranges he considers good. (Although 12K frequency response on the first deck in the video is obviously really bad even to a layman such as myself).

Maybe I really need to just register over at Tapeheads and lurk for a while

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

olives black posted:

:shrug: I wish he went into more depth too. He says that the specs aren't great on the new decks, but doesn't say anything about what ranges he considers good. (Although 12K frequency response on the first deck in the video is obviously really bad even to a layman such as myself).

Maybe I really need to just register over at Tapeheads and lurk for a while

TLDR is that there’s basically one company making all of the new tape playing hardware on the market for the past, like, decade (I think there might be a handful of very late model Japan-only Sony clock radios from the 2010s that didn’t use the Tanashin mechanism and were grandfathered into shipping with Dolby, etc, including one featured by Techmoan a few years back, but don’t quote me on that) and it’s decidedly an extremely low-end piece of kit compared to the high water marks of decades past when tapes were relevant.

Also Dolby is no longer in the business of licensing their cassette noise reduction IP, which was a key part of what made the compact cassette viable and successful as a mass-market format that could hold its own against both vinyl and CD. Current production players have to make do with a knockoff version of Dolby B that isn’t as good as the genuine article, and zero Dolby C/etc for more exotic tape materials.

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Personally I haven't found a good reason to care about noise reduction. I've recorded a few of my records to Maxell URs over the past few weeks with noise reduction turned off and the tapes sound fine to me.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

olives black posted:

Personally I haven't found a good reason to care about noise reduction. I've recorded a few of my records to Maxell URs over the past few weeks with noise reduction turned off and the tapes sound fine to me.

Noise reduction is good if there's a lot of noise but also probably won't even work if there is? IDK I'm not an audio.

Tapes in general sound just fine but then I have a pretty good deck. (It does have noise reduction as it's a professional portable system. I bet radio journos or whatever cared about noise reduction.)

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

So this thing exists:

it's one thousand five hundred dollars and runs play-fi [the worst streaming system, it can't even consistently do gapless]

It inspired a thought: Once the boomers finally die out are these companies going to be selling expensive co-branded stuff that looks like the aiwa mini system every gen x college kid had?

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

qirex posted:

So this thing exists:

it's one thousand five hundred dollars and runs play-fi [the worst streaming system, it can't even consistently do gapless]

It inspired a thought: Once the boomers finally die out are these companies going to be selling expensive co-branded stuff that looks like the aiwa mini system every gen x college kid had?

Is there a real McIntosh amp with the Dead branding too?

Edit: No, but there's also a Dead version of the bigger wireless speaker (RS250, $3500)

Edit 2: Still not as bad as the $1500 LB200, "a must for every McIntosh owner"

Edit 3: LieBot, what is the saddest thing?

quote:

What a long powerful trip it’s been. McIntosh collaborates with the Grateful Dead to commemorate Dead & Co.'s The Final Tour 2023.

McIntosh’s relationship with the Grateful Dead spans five decades. In 1974, McIntosh amplifiers shaped music history by powering the Grateful Dead’s legendary Wall of Sound. Forty-eight McIntosh MC2300 amplifiers delivered 28,000 Watts of pure McIntosh power to create a truly groundbreaking sound system that immortalized the Grateful Dead as a live act in the annals of rock history.

In a continuation of that relationship forged decades ago, McIntosh will power Dead & Co’s Final Tour 2023 concert intermissions with a custom audio system.

Audiences will enjoy an unmatched high-fidelity sound experience listening to vinyl played through a McIntosh MT10 Precision Turntable and a C12000 Preamplifier. These intermissions will be broadcasted in-stadium via jumbotrons during each concert, as well as to fans and audiences around the world through a livestream of each performance.
https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/brand/news/mcintosh-and-the-grateful-dead-celebrate-the-final-tour-of-dead-and-co

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 18:43 on May 16, 2023

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



qirex posted:

So this thing exists:

it's one thousand five hundred dollars and runs play-fi [the worst streaming system, it can't even consistently do gapless]

It inspired a thought: Once the boomers finally die out are these companies going to be selling expensive co-branded stuff that looks like the aiwa mini system every gen x college kid had?

Igloo is currently selling coolers with speakers in them patterned after the ones they made in the 80s (but updated electronics so it's Bluetooth), so I think the answer is "it's already starting"

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Endless Mike posted:

Igloo is currently selling coolers with speakers in them patterned after the ones they made in the 80s (but updated electronics so it's Bluetooth), so I think the answer is "it's already starting"

ngl, I've been really feeling the IGLOO retro line products they've been putting out over the past few years

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Ok Comboomer posted:

ngl, I've been really feeling the IGLOO retro line products they've been putting out over the past few years

I legit want the stupid speaker cooler tbh

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
also obvious stuff like the re-release of the SoundBurger or like, more vaguely, companies releasing smart speakers modeled after "classic" speakers like JBL/Klipsch

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I'm talking 90s stuff, 80s retro is almost 2 decades old at this point [just like the 80s are always 20 years ago am I right, fellow olds?]

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Feels Villeneuve posted:

also obvious stuff like the re-release of the SoundBurger or like, more vaguely, companies releasing smart speakers modeled after "classic" speakers like JBL/Klipsch

The Sound Burger was helped by apparently being actually good, it even fits the aesthetic of the modern age by not having a headphone jack.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

qirex posted:

I'm talking 90s stuff, 80s retro is almost 2 decades old at this point [just like the 80s are always 20 years ago am I right, fellow olds?]

All I'll say is that this is the year where "current year minus birth year" no longer enables me to be in denial

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


The teenagers where I work were talking about going to a "retro Y2K night" and I felt the dust. Though figuring out what the music and fashion industry is selling as the Y2K aesthetic has been very interesting. It's basically just tribal tattoos and 1998-2002. No cargo pants, no trenchcoats and sunglasses, terrible.

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Ok Comboomer posted:

TLDR is that there’s basically one company making all of the new tape playing hardware on the market for the past, like, decade (I think there might be a handful of very late model Japan-only Sony clock radios from the 2010s that didn’t use the Tanashin mechanism and were grandfathered into shipping with Dolby, etc, including one featured by Techmoan a few years back, but don’t quote me on that) and it’s decidedly an extremely low-end piece of kit compared to the high water marks of decades past when tapes were relevant.

Someone brought up the Tanashin mechanism in another thread. What's everyone's big beef with it?

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


olives black posted:

Someone brought up the Tanashin mechanism in another thread. What's everyone's big beef with it?

It's a budget mechanism that's shoved into expensive devices now because it's the only cassette mechanism still being made. Techmoan did a whole video on it and its issues a while back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nezGOVOpHtc

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

olives black posted:

Someone brought up the Tanashin mechanism in another thread. What's everyone's big beef with it?

It's a design made to be done at the minimum possible cost sacrificing quality and features. Also it WAS Tanashin, what you get now are no name clones with lottery grade QA.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

olives black posted:

Someone brought up the Tanashin mechanism in another thread. What's everyone's big beef with it?

imagine that the only new turntables being made were Crosley Cruisers or clones of Crosley Cruisers, and instead of $50-100 they cost like $150-300

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Ok Comboomer posted:

imagine that the only new turntables being made were Crosley Cruisers or clones of Crosley Cruisers, and instead of $50-100 they cost like $150-300

:gonk:

Neurophonic
May 2, 2009

qirex posted:

So this thing exists:

it's one thousand five hundred dollars and runs play-fi [the worst streaming system, it can't even consistently do gapless]

It inspired a thought: Once the boomers finally die out are these companies going to be selling expensive co-branded stuff that looks like the aiwa mini system every gen x college kid had?

If I was a Dead head with money to burn and any passing interest in audio, I’d be giving it to this guy who’s been making small scale versions of their infamous touring PA system that are actually pretty cool:
https://www.instagram.com/mini_wall_of_sound/

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Getting my Yamaha A-S301 amp and Micca RB42 speakers today :woop:

I was never really hype about 5.1 and just want to be able to switch between my digital and analog sources without a bunch of bullshit.

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Trying to make myself less stupid about this hobby into which I'm diving. Am I nuts or does the Dolby-B noise reduction actually sound better than the FLAC input source on this particular song?

https://youtu.be/ER73ayOqMo4

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

olives black posted:

Trying to make myself less stupid about this hobby into which I'm diving. Am I nuts or does the Dolby-B noise reduction actually sound better than the FLAC input source on this particular song?

https://youtu.be/ER73ayOqMo4

If I'm remembering correctly, recording to tape, especially with the NR, effectively applies some compression/saturation and EQ changes to the signal. It rolls off the highs slightly and bumps up the bass a touch, and in fact is deliberately done by producers and studios to add a certain character to recordings or their sound design. So it may be you just prefer that sort of character. I mean, there's a reason a lot of people keep the Loudness feature turned on all the time.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

olives black posted:

Getting my Yamaha A-S301 amp and Micca RB42 speakers today :woop:

I was never really hype about 5.1 and just want to be able to switch between my digital and analog sources without a bunch of bullshit.

are you American? Did you pay MSRP for that? A4L will sell you a Yamaha factory refurb (ie like new, with warranty) A-S701 for $500, A-S501 for $450, and the 301 for $300

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Mederlock posted:

If I'm remembering correctly, recording to tape, especially with the NR, effectively applies some compression/saturation and EQ changes to the signal. It rolls off the highs slightly and bumps up the bass a touch, and in fact is deliberately done by producers and studios to add a certain character to recordings or their sound design. So it may be you just prefer that sort of character. I mean, there's a reason a lot of people keep the Loudness feature turned on all the time.

Seems like it'd be less than trve for lo-fi stuff, but for cleaner music I might just start using it

Ok Comboomer posted:

are you American? Did you pay MSRP for that? A4L will sell you a Yamaha factory refurb (ie like new, with warranty) A-S701 for $500, A-S501 for $450, and the 301 for $300

$350 through Amazon, although they managed to gently caress up the delivery again. "Delivery attempted" my rear end :argh:

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


Any Audiophile types in here and not just nerds roasting them:

Just buy some studio monitors and be done with it. If they're good enough to make the music on, they're good enough to listen back to it. You can get powered Focals for like 800 bucks a pair and they absolutely crush. I have broken many hearts with them. My friends who fancy themselves as audiophiles sit down in front of them and are absolutely destroyed every single time, and my room isn't particularly well treated and I have a bit of resonance around 140hz or so and these things STILL destroy. The only downside is you do have to be sitting close to them.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Sorry, anything better than a hitclip is worthy of ridicule.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

Gramps posted:

Any Audiophile types in here and not just nerds roasting them:

Just buy some studio monitors and be done with it. If they're good enough to make the music on, they're good enough to listen back to it. You can get powered Focals for like 800 bucks a pair and they absolutely crush. I have broken many hearts with them. My friends who fancy themselves as audiophiles sit down in front of them and are absolutely destroyed every single time, and my room isn't particularly well treated and I have a bit of resonance around 140hz or so and these things STILL destroy. The only downside is you do have to be sitting close to them.

Find me ones that don’t hiss at idle. Please. That’s what keeps breaking my heart.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

Gramps posted:

Any Audiophile types in here and not just nerds roasting them:

Just buy some studio monitors and be done with it. If they're good enough to make the music on, they're good enough to listen back to it. You can get powered Focals for like 800 bucks a pair and they absolutely crush. I have broken many hearts with them. My friends who fancy themselves as audiophiles sit down in front of them and are absolutely destroyed every single time, and my room isn't particularly well treated and I have a bit of resonance around 140hz or so and these things STILL destroy. The only downside is you do have to be sitting close to them.

Pfft get a load of THIS guy wanting things to sound “good”

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I have a stupid need/desire to get my hands on a AC3 RF adaptor for my LD Players.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


RIP Paul Walker posted:

Find me ones that don’t hiss at idle. Please. That’s what keeps breaking my heart.

The noise floor on my cheap Focals is so low that it's imperceptible even with my output turned all the way up, but they're being fed by a good interface as well, and they're wired with good quality cabling I built myself.

My max output setting for monitoring (which I never ever use because it is painfully loud) is maybe 2/3rds the way up on my output knob on my interface. This system is insanely good.

Gramps fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 19, 2023

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


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Wayne Knight posted:

Sorry, anything better than a hitclip is worthy of ridicule.

omg i remember these little fuckers

https://youtu.be/DLXFgDTgUOE

Even as a dumb child who was easily enamored with dumb poo poo like the R-Zone and the Sega CD, I knew these were bullshit.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

hitclips are back, in poggers form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5bPNSPXJuc

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Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



Just dropping this here then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWApjeur3hw

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