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Do the newest NVME SSD's really suffer from overheating, or do ssd benchmarks slow them down given enough time? My guess is that even a modern game streaming assets to a GPU constantly isn't going to cook a SSD. Also, last time I checked 2.5" SSD's are basically NVME sized inside. If you really want performance pci cards are there, IMHO.
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Less Fat Luke posted:It'd be cool if cases had slots in them for M2s like SD cards. That being said I'll take sticking M2's in a motherboard over 2.5" SATA drives with separate cables for power and data, this is way cleaner. If you're willing to spend about $100-$150 Icy Dock has you covered. They also have front-bay versions too that you can connect to your M.2 slots on the board with an Oculink to M.2 adapter.
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Huh that’s really cool!
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LRADIKAL posted:Do the newest NVME SSD's really suffer from overheating, or do ssd benchmarks slow them down given enough time? My guess is that even a modern game streaming assets to a GPU constantly isn't going to cook a SSD. Yes and quickly, though he was running it without a heatsink. quote:Also, last time I checked 2.5" SSD's are basically NVME sized inside. If you really want performance pci cards are there, IMHO. Both U.2 and M.2 provide (up to) four PCIe lanes, so there should be enough bandwidth for some decent performance. (2.5" SATA SSDs are kind of pointless, though.) Less Fat Luke posted:It'd be cool if cases had slots in them for M2s like SD cards. That being said I'll take sticking M2's in a motherboard over 2.5" SATA drives with separate cables for power and data, this is way cleaner.
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May 15, 2023 20:50
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U2 is dead, Enterprise server SSDs are now all about E1
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Pablo Bluth posted:U2 is dead, Enterprise server SSDs are now all about E1 Oh those look nice. I'm not an enterprise, though; my needs are for blinging out a few pets, not a herd of cattle. I mostly care about U.2 because I needed a way to get at least 8TB of mirrored SSD storage into a repurposed workstation, and 2.5" Kioxia U.2 drives plus a tri-mode controller was the only thing that really fit my criteria while also being available in-country. I haven't actually received all the parts yet, so it may have been a complete waste of money, but so far I'm carefully optimistic. Besides, it's a rounding error to the department paying for them.
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May 15, 2023 21:04
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LRADIKAL posted:https://www.pcgamer.com/you-know-m2-ssds-suck-right/ My previous motherboard had sata express and all it did was wasting space and pcie lanes. M.2 thermal issues can be easily mitigated and a 16 pcie lane to four m.2 card is barely bigger than a single u.2 drive.
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May 15, 2023 21:09
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Would be nice to just have more pcie slots that you can put m.2 cards into instead of all these m.2 slots under all of your cards that you can’t use for anything else
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Wild EEPROM posted:Would be nice to just have more pcie slots that you can put m.2 cards into instead of all these m.2 slots under all of your cards that you can’t use for anything else Indeed. The single M.2 cards are cheap as chips, too.
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Computer viking posted:Oh those look nice.
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Pablo Bluth posted:The problem is going to be the long term supply of U2 form factor SSDs, if enterprise goes E1/E3. Again, that's sort of an enterprise problem; I don't really need stable supply lines into the future as long as I can get one or two as spare parts. But it's a very reasonable point. I assume the actual interface is another repackaging of PCIe lanes, so theoretically someone could make a way to mount these in a desktop chassis, maybe even at a reasonable price. But I'm not holding my breath. That's one of the great things about the U.2 drives; you just need 2.5" slots, a controller card, and some (annoyingly hard to source) cables. Anything in a completely new form factor, especially anything as inconvenient as E.1L, is just not going to happen outside the rarefied circles of "we designed a new rackmount server around this". Computer viking fucked around with this message at 21:50 on May 15, 2023 |
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What do people like for intel boards these days for z690 or z790? Gonna be paired with an intel i3 13th gen running unraid. Thinking of the MSI boards. Budget under $300 I guess?
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Less Fat Luke posted:It'd be cool if cases had slots in them for M2s like SD cards. That being said I'll take sticking M2's in a motherboard over 2.5" SATA drives with separate cables for power and data, this is way cleaner.
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Splinter posted:Ended up with ... 4x16TB Seagate Exos drives (due to a great deal on 2 packs which of course were packed like poo poo by amazon and will probably die immediately) This ended up being hilariously worse than I imagined. Finally opened these this weekend to begin the install and all the drives were noticeably dented. Returned them and now have 4x14TB individual drives showing up today which hopefully are properly packaged this time. The packaging:  Drives are stacked directly on top of each other with about an inch of space for movement both side-to-side and up/down. The drives:     power crystals posted:I ran storage spaces for years and it worked but the performance was absolute poo poo. Like worse than the individual drives would have managed. If you really don't want to learn linux or whatever it'll do the job but it should be towards the bottom of the list of preferences. When I was researching Storage Spaces I saw a lot of reports of terrible performance when using parity, but also that very recently people finally figured out the issue and are now able to get reasonable performance from a parity setup. tl;dr is ensuring the NTFS cluster size plays well with the interleave size of the array. See here and here. Even ignoring that issue though, the general consensus I was saw on Storage Spaces was pretty much: Aware posted:Storage spaces is absolute garbage, do literally anything else. so I'm not planning on going that route.
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Think I found what will be replacing the microserver once it starts getting tired in a few years, these things look like little power houses, can even get them with a mobile 3050ti and 10gbit ethernet  https://youtu.be/bPs5XGBoXr0
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kri kri posted:What do people like for intel boards these days for z690 or z790? Gonna be paired with an intel i3 13th gen running unraid. Thinking of the MSI boards. Budget under $300 I guess? Asus prime series isn't terrible at your budget. I have a z690p wifi d4 and a friend recently purchased a z790p wifi, no big issues to report beside the bios updates wiping the cmos data.
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https://youtu.be/rEAfX75nReg I was pretty skeptical on the addition of ZFS to unraid but it looks good. I also like the new cache settings. I’m going to wait a while to upgrade and ill only be using ZFS for my cache pool.
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The new way Unraid handles primary/secondary storage instead of “cache” is way easier to understand. I may look into shuffling around some data and formatting 4x10TB into a zfs pool. I’m just not quite sure I really need the performance at the cost of all the drives having to spin up.
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Can you mess with the Unraid base image? Say make it load additional kernel modules and install additional packages to it?
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Combat Pretzel posted:Can you mess with the Unraid base image? Say make it load additional kernel modules and install additional packages to it? You can definitely get additional packages to load with it. I did this to get Pulseway to work with my server, had to put the package into a specific folder on the boot USB and it starts with the boot process, which is what I think you're talking about (I'm not that familiar with Linux). There's also a plugin called Nerd Tools that has a ton of common packages as well that you can then install and manage from the UI.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Can you mess with the Unraid base image? Say make it load additional kernel modules and install additional packages to it? Yep, you can modify the flash boot and run all sort of scripts or whatever. NerdTools also gives you a lot of flexibility, and there's a huge community of users developing all sorts of great plugins and such. I have my server pull a keyfile password from my webhosting provider so it autostarts my encrypted drives without human intervention. If my server were ever stolen, I could go out to my webhosting service and pull the keyfile so it couldn't be downloaded. Corb3t fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 18, 2023 |
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How much leeway does Unraid give with the usb license stick? Like if I clone it and set up a new server if I want to continue without interruption and just rsync the data over the network? Or should I just bite the bullet and move the drives over and then copy the contents to my new disks?
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I'm not really sure, but nothing is stopping you from getting a trial license to move content, then once it's moved, you can add your license to the new instance.
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Oh that's true, might give that a shot. 10GbE would be really helpful in this situation  actually would probably saturate the drives and it wouldn't matter.
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Corb3t posted:I'm not really sure, but nothing is stopping you from getting a trial license to move content, then once it's moved, you can add your license to the new instance. IIRC this was actually their official recommendation for migrating to a new live host from their old wiki, I can't find anything in their new documentation for this now though. Also, you can extend the trial from 30 days to 45 automatically if needed.
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priznat posted:How much leeway does Unraid give with the usb license stick? Like if I clone it and set up a new server if I want to continue without interruption and just rsync the data over the network? Or should I just bite the bullet and move the drives over and then copy the contents to my new disks? iirc the license is tied to the GUID of the USB drive, which is why it can be a bit finicky on commodity grade USB drives. My guess is you'd clone it, it would then throw a shitfit about a mismatched GUID and prompt you to tie your license to the new USB drive's GUID.
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I have read but not tried that you can use a USB microSD reader and replace the microSD because the GUID is tied to the reader.
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It figures as soon as I migrate everything off of unraid and onto truenas, unraid comes out with ZFS
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priznat posted:How much leeway does Unraid give with the usb license stick? Like if I clone it and set up a new server if I want to continue without interruption and just rsync the data over the network? Or should I just bite the bullet and move the drives over and then copy the contents to my new disks? also 100% do this, it’ll save a lot of headache Smashing Link posted:I have read but not tried that you can use a USB microSD reader and replace the microSD because the GUID is tied to the reader. e.pilot fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 18, 2023 |
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e.pilot posted:You can get a 30 trial license, copy everything over to the new array, shut down the old server and swap the boot USB to the new server, then import the new array Excellent, this sounds like the plan! if I have 3x14TB (plus a couple SSDs for cache) is the best idea to just make one zfs volume and then just create folders within? It's mostly media stuff so probably won't bother turning on compression either.
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Beve Stuscemi posted:It figures as soon as I migrate everything off of unraid and onto truenas, unraid comes out with ZFS OOC what does unraid provide that you’d miss vs truenas? I’ve used unraid but I have tended to treat it as distinct from TrueNAS (and other NAS adjacent) stuff. With unraid, I just threw a bunch of drives I didn’t care about into a machine and let it serve media off of there. It’s more of a convenient file server than a real data storage thing for me. My TrueNAS machine is the first hop in a bunch of my backup stuff (backup to NAS, NAS archives to cloud). I expect a higher degree of reliability in it so it’s running a server processor, has ECC ram, and I want simple raid rebuilding.
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priznat posted:Excellent, this sounds like the plan!
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Man look like google is finally cracking down on google workspace and they're gonna restrict my unlimited storage for $20/month to 5TB (for $20, 5 more for every $20 iirc)  Whats the next cheapest offsite storage option for dozen or two TB of storage? DropBox Advanced and try to share it woth some people? What are you people with large collections doing, just ZFS with a lot of disks and hoping for the best? A separate backup machine thats mostly offline? Related to that last point whats the lifetime of HDDs that are mostly powered off? Wondering feasibility of buying a second enclosure or something and just spinning it up once a month, I know standard hard drives have some inherent shelf life which is why tape drives are still a thing but im not sure how long that is.
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SpaceInvader One who does a lot of good videos on unraid put up a video yesterday showing a lot of what's new in 6.12 including some of the ZFS stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEAfX75nReg You can make a ZFS pool, or format array drives as ZFS but as a single disk pool only, still relying on unraid's parity drive for redundancy. Unraid has already put out a new RC version since, and personally I am waiting at least ~2 weeks from any final release before updating. I'll probably update the SSD I use for appdata and media metadata/posters to ZFS, not sure about anything else just yet.
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What happened to 5400RPM hard disks? Why don't they exist anymore? I'd figure that less heat / power would be desirable for NAS disks, especially when you don't really need the lower latency, but it seems like nobody makes bigger 5400 RPM disks. Hell, the most recent 5400 RPM disks that I can remember were when WD labelled a batch of 7200 RPM disks as 5400 for mysterious reasons: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/western-digital-is-trying-to-redefine-the-word-rpm/
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I can format any new drives being added to my Unraid parity array as zfs once it's rolled out and the bugs have been ironed out, yes? That allows me to have the benefits of zfs without needing to create a new pool with matching drives or whatever.
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Still not sure what a ZFS pool of 1disk does or why anyone would bother.
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Some of the benefits of ZFS rely on there being a pool. You aren't for example going to be able to correct bit rot errors on your single disk ZFS pool added to an unraid array. I think unraid also plans to add more ZFS features over time and not everything will be in the initial 6.12 release?
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withoutclass posted:Still not sure what a ZFS pool of 1disk does or why anyone would bother. I guess it would have checksuming to let you know if you've got bitrot (though it couldn't do anything about it) and it could do its ZFS caching.
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Corb3t posted:Yep, you can modify the flash boot and run all sort of scripts or whatever. NerdTools also gives you a lot of flexibility, and there's a huge community of users developing all sorts of great plugins and such. withoutclass posted:Still not sure what a ZFS pool of 1disk does or why anyone would bother. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 18, 2023 |
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