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HonorableTB posted:Here's some more information: It's really weird that they don't just announce that they destroyed it anyway. Like, weren't they announcing destroying HIMARS systems at a rate that exceeded the total ever sent to Ukraine? So obviously they have no problem just saying "hell yeah we blew up their stuff" regardless of reality.
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Victis posted:Not magically at first, no (rubs hands) So when do those MiG-31s start turning into shooting stars
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It’s probably not a good idea to take claims from either side at face value.
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"F-16 and other western jets" doesn't make any sense. Neither nation uses them. I assume it's basic pilot training.
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Antigravitas posted:"F-16 and other western jets" doesn't make any sense. Neither nation uses them. Other NATO countries nearby do use them, it wouldn’t be impossible to bring a few F16 trainers from EPAF countries to show them the ropes.
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Antigravitas posted:"F-16 and other western jets" doesn't make any sense. Neither nation uses them. Why basic pilot training? Presumably the Ukrainian air force has a lot of trained pilots, and it would be more of a type conversion
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Hyperlynx posted:Last I heard, the UA airforce was having to operate from very low, though that info could well be out of date. Have things changed? Does Russia no longer have SA-10s and the like in range of the battlefield? If the Ukrainians want to be anywhere near the front they need to be low. However one of the big reasons to get more planes is to ease the strain on the SAM network by providing coverage against aircraft, and for that they don't need to go right up to the front and want to be high anyway to get the most mileage out of their missiles.
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BaconAndBullets posted:It is going to be interesting to see how we, and the rest of the world, downscales procurement after this. We probably won't because "the big one" could happen any day now and by golly, we have to be stocked up enough to not run out of our fun toys during that. The MIC isn't dumb, though, which is why they actually haven't scaled up production. The government is placing one-off orders, rather than providing long-term contracts. The manufacturers are worried about investing a bunch of money in increased capacity that won't be used for more than a year or two. It's also an issue in other NATO countries.
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vuk83 posted:Why basic pilot training? Presumably the Ukrainian air force has a lot of trained pilots, and it would be more of a type conversion They need more pilots, period.
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What's stopping Ukranian airframes from basing out of nearby countries? Distance? Diplomatic concerns? It would seem to be a pretty perfect solution. Go ahead Russia, attack a NATO air field because it has Ukranian jets there, see how that works out.
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bird food bathtub posted:What's stopping Ukranian airframes from basing out of nearby countries? Distance? Diplomatic concerns? It would seem to be a pretty perfect solution. Go ahead Russia, attack a NATO air field because it has Ukranian jets there, see how that works out. Yes. That is exactly what's stopping it.
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bird food bathtub posted:What's stopping Ukranian airframes from basing out of nearby countries? Distance? Diplomatic concerns? It would seem to be a pretty perfect solution. Go ahead Russia, attack a NATO air field because it has Ukranian jets there, see how that works out. Make a list of nations currently at war with Russia.
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Scrungus posted:I think they got the patriot (at least part of it) tonight bois 😔 Vid wasnt particularly revealing either way. Cant see if it was hit
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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1658368346612547584 French version of the Storm Shadow being supplied to Ukraine. If it's coming straight from French stocks, it would almost certainly be the full-range version, right?
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bird food bathtub posted:What's stopping Ukranian airframes from basing out of nearby countries? Distance? Diplomatic concerns? It would seem to be a pretty perfect solution. Go ahead Russia, attack a NATO air field because it has Ukranian jets there, see how that works out. It would be an act of war, same as it was with Russian aircraft based out of Belarus (but it wasn't in Ukraine's interest to call them on it).
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EasilyConfused posted:It would be an act of war, same as it was with Russian aircraft based out of Belarus (but it wasn't in Ukraine's interest to call them on it). Is it an act of war? I was under the impression other countries are doing things like staging materials right on the border already. How would a plane taking off and landing be any different from things like railcars and truck convoys moving in fleets of tanks, missiles, IFVs and so on? They would be Ukranian planes so nobody is gonna bat a diplomatic eye if they get splashed while in the air, but the facilities and landing strips would be a point of vulnerability removed from play.
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Launching an attack from sovereign territory is different than moving ordinance.
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Wickerman posted:Launching an attack from sovereign territory is different than moving ordinance. Guess you're right. The reality of it not happening is pretty strong evidence. Seems like weird distinctions to make but welp, lots of stuff I don't understand.
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Wickerman posted:Launching an attack from sovereign territory is different than moving ordinance. Adding on to this: any base they launched from becomes a valid target, regardless of who actually owns the place. It’s a good way to get a few cruise missiles lobbed your way.
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bird food bathtub posted:Guess you're right. The reality of it not happening is pretty strong evidence. Seems like weird distinctions to make but welp, lots of stuff I don't understand. Might be easier to understand the distinction if you think of airplanes as long-range artillery. If Ukraine stuck a howitzer in Mongolia (or whatever) and started firing across the border, the Russians are justified in firing back.
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bird food bathtub posted:Guess you're right. The reality of it not happening is pretty strong evidence. Seems like weird distinctions to make but welp, lots of stuff I don't understand. Basically every nation on Earth have an unwritten agreement that transporting goods into a nation that is at war, is not by itself an act of war against the party that country is at war with, because absolutely nobody is interested in global trade grinding to a halt the moment a war breaks out anywhere while everyone scrambles to figure out who they are committing acts of war against (most likely all sides involved). Letting another nation's military launch combat missions from your territory is much simpler. You're letting them do so, and you're responsible for everything they do.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:If the Ukrainians want to be anywhere near the front they need to be low. However one of the big reasons to get more planes is to ease the strain on the SAM network by providing coverage against aircraft, and for that they don't need to go right up to the front and want to be high anyway to get the most mileage out of their missiles. That makes sense to me!
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1658368346612547584 It's seems unlikely that Stormshadow will be completely impervious to Russian defences, even in the best case scenario some will be stopped short. It's s going to be interesting to see how it plays out and if Russia can show much credible evidence of intercepted Stormshadows.
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Dandywalken posted:Vid wasnt particularly revealing either way. Cant see if it was hit that's an understatement, it shows exactly jack poo poo
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Gonna need a lot of Air Defenses along the Kerch Bridge.
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Dandywalken posted:
Looks like one, yeah.
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Dandywalken posted:
He's tired, let him have his nap
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Kith posted:He's tired, let him have his nap https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_(missile) This?
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Are China's hypersonic missiles similar in design to Russia's? And if so, are they currently rethinking their Taiwan invasion strategy?
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There's video on reddit from an apartment looking towards the launcher(s) as they flush their racks in about two minutes, firing off interceptor after interceptor. Cool yet terrifying stuff.
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Doesn't the F-16 have a dial-a-plane function to imitate other planes in training?
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Arrath posted:There's video on reddit from an apartment looking towards the launcher(s) as they flush their racks in about two minutes, firing off interceptor after interceptor. Cool yet terrifying stuff. Any chance of a steer towards it?
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MonkeyLibFront posted:Any chance of a steer towards it? https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1658288927235616769
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That's the one.
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Maybe I missed it, but I see lots of missile launches but nothing in the way of evidence of a launcher being hit?
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A cursory glance at the Twitter threads seems to suggest that OSINTdefender is not the best regarded of sources.
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