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Are we also installing Intel RST drivers after we install the Synergy driver? Clean build, Win10.
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BurritoJustice posted:
I will always read "dedup" in the tone and cadence of the Pink Panther theme
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canyoneer posted:I will always read "dedup" in the tone and cadence of the Pink Panther theme Solidigm is "sol-a-dig-em", it is known (its supposed to be pronounced like paradigm, yes its extreme marketer trash naming)
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May 16, 2023 22:03
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Solidigm is "all the good names are already taken" to a ridiculous degree
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May 16, 2023 22:17
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We should just go back to acronyms like Digital Equipment Corporation
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May 16, 2023 22:19
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Solidigm is a better name than kioxia
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May 16, 2023 22:31
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Any name where you can actually guess what the company does or sells would be great. Solidigm could be a retirment home, oil drilling company or insurance company.
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First draft of Intel's name was dumb too. Founders wanted to name it Moore-Noyce, which is like naming your catering company Sam & Ellis. They lucked into the less dumb name which you can't tell is supposed to be short for Integrated Electronics.
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If you want to see bad brand names, look at any Amazon listing that has 20 nearly-identical listings from different Chinese companies. One of them is like 'Azzsy' or something.
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TOOT BOOT posted:If you want to see bad brand names, look at any Amazon listing that has 20 nearly-identical listings from different Chinese companies. One of them is like 'Azzsy' or something. https://www.amazon.com/stores/NICGIGA/page/DD3330ED-2B9A-4513-A1DA-11505EC71A77?ref_=ast_bln Worst Amazon brand I've seen this year.
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WhyteRyce posted:I tried to, what I naively thought, end the discussion by saying the priority was getting the chip out the door because selling these chips is what we do. The guy looked at me smugly and said, "No. What we do is ship a healthy...product". It was that point I realized a non-zero number of internal tool developers had no idea about what they own and that no one outside of the lab will ever give two shits about their code. I joined in 2005, so well into the Craig era when most of Andy's vitriol had been shaken out of the company. An internal tools dev (pile of XML to set up a pile of muxes) was the first person I heard drop a curse word in a meeting, ever, I was kinda shocked. It was over something incredibly trivial, like the XML was late or had an extra comma or something, and that dev was really fired up over it. But yeah, intel's really good at putting folks in boxes and not letting the boxes touch.
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VostokProgram posted:We should just go back to acronyms like Digital Equipment Corporation You can’t. DEC is still around as an employee credit union and poo poo. E: Nevermind they’re now the DCU or Digital Credit Union. Arivia fucked around with this message at 03:11 on May 17, 2023 |
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Twerk from Home posted:https://www.amazon.com/stores/NICGIGA/page/DD3330ED-2B9A-4513-A1DA-11505EC71A77?ref_=ast_bln A company I used to deal with for work was called White Power. They are still around but thankfully tweaked their name.
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slidebite posted:A company I used to deal with for work was called White Power. They are still around but thankfully tweaked their name. Reminds me of how in Britain large appliances are known as “white goods”. Guess what an aisle that contained electrical hookups and the like for white goods would be labeled.
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Paul MaudDib posted:god, if it's sata SSD why even bother? NVMe has 64k queues that can each fit 64kb.
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slidebite posted:A company I used to deal with for work was called White Power. They are still around but thankfully tweaked their name. I get that WP was for the founders initials, normal thing like JRZ or whatever, but the choice to call it White Power was always a bit weird
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I think we're probably talking about 2 different white powers. The one that I am thinking of was indeed name, but power was their business so it was appropriate in the sense of traditional naming methods. Just maybe not so appropriate in other ways.
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Oh, my mistake, I was thinking of the Austrian suspension company WP
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https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1659831437531422720?t=At7NLgOC6M2Q8mkIz4T1tQ&s=19
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1659831437531422720?t=At7NLgOC6M2Q8mkIz4T1tQ&s=19 I know I'm going to sound like a dickhead, but I wish links were to the article directly as opposed to through some random twitter post https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-proposes-x86s-a-64-bit-only-architecture One of my DNS blocklists blocks the t.co domain, and I don't feel like unblocking it Edit: but the actual idea sounds reasonable enough. They want to clear out some cruft that doesn't represent the way modern CPUs are used HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 09:24 on May 20, 2023 |
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I have a feeling this will be an embedded-only thing like the last time they released an x86 chip that dropped legacy modes.
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Would AMD have access to it too if it came to fruition?
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1659831437531422720?t=At7NLgOC6M2Q8mkIz4T1tQ&s=19 It's been real (mode)
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Kazinsal posted:I have a feeling this will be an embedded-only thing like the last time they released an x86 chip that dropped legacy modes. UEFI-CSM is the only way to get to the INT 0x19 instruction, which is how a BIOS jumps to the MBR for traditional booting, and it's more of a hack. Most hypervisors also support unrestricted guest mode (ie. calling INT 0x19 to boot from an MBR formatted disk), and it's probably better to run legacy software on modern hardware.
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Would 32 be possible with some sort of emulation?
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slidebite posted:Would 32 be possible with some sort of emulation? It'll retain 32-bit ring 3 support but drop 32-bit ring 0, so a hypervisor will be required to boot a legacy OS but it will be able to run (most) 32-bit code without emulation, and the host kernel and/or hypervisor can trap and emulate the edge cases. 16-bit code will need full emulation. Here's Intel's own summary page: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/envisioning-future-simplified-architecture.html SamDabbers fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 20, 2023 |
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Seems neat. Hopefully it helps fix some of the boot-up complexity, because their own description of how boot works is massively over-simplified, especially when a TPM (+ microcode updates + ...) is in the mix. Here's a good article: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/66109.html Intel's summary hosed up the most basic part of pitching though. "What are the benefits?" "It removes features." lol, remember to actually say the benefits people!
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It’s a fire sale https://www.servethehome.com/free-280gb-optane-ssd-with-purchase-of-intel-core-i9-12900k-12900kf/ quote:Users in the STH forums (and here) found a quite amazing deal if you are in the market for an Intel Core i9-12900KF. On Amazon right now, you can purchase one of the CPUs and get a 280GB Intel Optane SSD included for about $1 more for a 0% premium. There is also a Core i9-12900K bundle for about $353 with the same SSD. Good night Optane my sweet prince
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Beef posted:
lol, "persistent". lmao
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WhyteRyce posted:It’s a fire sale Depending on the price of the CPU, it's not actually a very good deal at all, given that an Optane will steal a bunch of PCIe lanes for no benefit.
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~Coxy posted:Depending on the price of the CPU, it's not actually a very good deal at all, given that an Optane will steal a bunch of PCIe lanes for no benefit. It’s just a x4 nvme ssd???
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~Coxy posted:Depending on the price of the CPU, it's not actually a very good deal at all, given that an Optane will steal a bunch of PCIe lanes for no benefit. What?! all NVMe use PCIe lanes.
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Uh I might be about to show my whole rear end here, but I don't understand how flexible PCIE switching is on motherboards. Isn't the 1st PCIE slot typically directly connected to the CPU, and then all the other slots are from the chipset, and all sharing a PCIEx4 link from CPU to the chipset or something? So if you hang a lot of NVME disks off of a single board that's using the chipset for M.2 ports, they're all going to be bottlenecked by the link between the chipset and the CPU?
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Many times there's an M.2 also linked directly to the CPU. Beyond that yes you're at the mercy of the CPU->chipset link but frankly if you're doing something with your multiple nvme drives where this actually matters you probably aren't buying a consumer board. For everybody else one fast drive and a couple slower ones is totally fine.
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It looks like the Alder Lake CPU<->chipset interconnect is "x8 DMI 4.0" so unless they're doing something funky where that isn't the same speed as x8 PCIe 4.0, you have plenty of bandwidth for a single NVMe drive (especially if it's 3.0) on the chipset M.2s. source: https://www.servethehome.com/intel-12th-gen-core-alder-lake-details-at-intel-innovation-2021/
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Eletriarnation posted:It looks like the Alder Lake CPU<->chipset interconnect is "x8 DMI 4.0" so unless they're doing something funky where that isn't the same speed as x8 PCIe 4.0, you have plenty of bandwidth for a single NVMe drive (especially if it's 3.0) on the chipset M.2s. Good to know, that seems like plenty of bandwidth for everything. The onboard NICs are coming off of the chipset too, right? The most powerful computer I have right now on AMD's X300 platform, which is how they brand "no chipset at all". It looks like on newer machines they're calling it by its codename instead, "AMD Knoll". https://www.igorslab.de/en/a-ryzen-without-one-chip-set-operates-without-whats-behind-the-knoll-activator/ https://www.angstronomics.com/p/site-launch-exclusive-all-the-juicy Are current Intel chips able to pull this off, or do they need a chipset to be able to boot / run?
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You get a small latency penalty being off the chipset but you probably won't notice that unless you're using an Optane drive for very specific niche cases anyway.
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Twerk from Home posted:Good to know, that seems like plenty of bandwidth for everything. The onboard NICs are coming off of the chipset too, right? Yeah. You should check out the block diagram at the link as it has all the details, but the only connections on the processor itself are: - RAM - Primary dGPU, 1x16 or 2x8 - Primary storage, 1x4 - Integrated graphics - Chipset Everything else is on the chipset.
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Twerk from Home posted:Uh I might be about to show my whole rear end here, but I don't understand how flexible PCIE switching is on motherboards. Speaking generally: the cpu can run in x16/x0/x0, x8/x8/x0, or x8/x4/x4 modes, so there can be up to 3 physical slots driven off the cpu. Note that this lane assignment is not fully flexible - you can’t do x0/x16/x0, x0/x0/x16, x0/x8/x8, or x8/x0/x8 - you get only those three choices of physical slot configurations. If you put a x16 card in the second slot the most you’ll ever get is x8 and the third slot is max x4. (however, extremely occasionally the order of the slots isn't the same as the order of the channels they're plugged into... more common on server stuff tbh) Also, often (not always, but it’s common on enthusiast stuff and most workstation stuff has it) these physical slots can be bifurcated, so you can run in x4x4x4x4/x0/x0, x8/x4x4/x0, x4x4/x8/x0, x4x4/x4x4/x0, or x4x4/x4/x4. This allows you to do things like risers that give you multiple slots out of a single physical one, or the asus hyper m.2 cards with 4 pcie on a slot (with no switch chip). But that’s up to the mobo vendor to implement and the smallest increment is usually a chunk of x4 lanes, so you can have up to 4 PCIe devices on your 3 physical slots. Outside bifurcation, cards (or motherboards) can also include switch chips and the sky is the limit (you can essentially attach as much as you are willing to spend/as many pcie devices as your BIOS will support - there eventually is a limit I guess). Look at like the High-Point Technologies Rocket R1108 or R1508 for example. And that doesn’t any special cpu support because the switch chip handles the multiplexing. In this case they can each run at max speed up to their individual bus sizes and the total bus size of the switch chip. You also get another dedicated x4 for nvme these days, but there’s also nothing special about this and it can also be routed to a physical slot (like Asrock X470D4U). It just is, by convention, usually used for Nvme but it’s just another dedicated x4 link under the hood. Finally you have the chipset which runs on another dedicated x4 link and can provide various IO expansion, typically some mix of usb, pcie/m.2 slots, and SATA. The choices depend heavily on the exact chipset but generally there is some mix and often the chipset is oversubscribed and plugging something into a pcie slot can result in the loss of a m.2 or vice versa, because you’re using that chipset io port for something else. When you see the lovely little 2.0x1 or 3.0x1 on older intel board those slots go to the chipset, although these days it’s often x4 on newer chipsets. The thing to remember is that pcie is completely generic these days, there are many physical interfaces and they all work the same electrically. You can put a OCP 2.0 network card or a M.2 Nvme into a cheap physical adapter card and plug it into a pcie slot, because M.2 NVMe and OCP are both Nvme. You can also get m.2 risers which plug into M.2 slots and let you put a pcie card in a vertical mount in your case, or plug into a U.2 SSD. Pcie is the boring, predictable interface that everyone wishes USB was. It’s so drama free that people don’t even think about it mostly. It just is a matter of physically adapting the various connectors and then it just auto-negotiates lane counts and clockrates seamlessly. Nerdy thing to simp for but god drat I love pcie, I love poo poo I don’t have to think about. It’s really only at the extreme margins like bifurcation or "how many switch chips can I stack before the BIOS breaks" that it even enters the discussion. (and really technically you can have the thing you're switching be SAS controllers and plug a bunch more PCIe stuff into Oculink/SlimSAS links too, which gives you a whole other logical layer with actual proper enterprise support... that's the "right" way to do it if you really want to plug 256+ pcie devices into a pentium.) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 25, 2023 |
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