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My phone told me that CNN says Russia claims it hit a Patriot.
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Joke Miriam posted:My phone told me that CNN says Russia claims it hit a Patriot. There's a decent chance it'll be added to their HIMARS kill list.
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May 16, 2023 23:20
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Joke Miriam posted:My phone told me that CNN says Russia claims it hit a Patriot. What I have gathered is that some US adviser claimed a Patriot had been damaged, without specifying exactly what it was. Russia then claimed it as a kill, while others in Ukraine said the damage relatively minor and was caused by falling debris.
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May 16, 2023 23:25
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I would have expected the launchers to be farther apart.
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May 16, 2023 23:34
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HelloSailorSign posted:Maybe I missed it, but I see lots of missile launches but nothing in the way of evidence of a launcher being hit? Ya gotta WAIT FOR IT!!
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May 16, 2023 23:47
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There is a shorter clip from the same camera in one of the replies that shows a pulse of light from the rough area where the missiles were fired from, but it's not in the 2 minute video that was posted in-thread. The shorter video has no clear indicator of when it was filmed vs the longer clip so it's unclear if it was before or after the salvo, let alone how much time elapsed between the clips.
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May 16, 2023 23:53
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Wombot posted:There is a shorter clip from the same camera in one of the replies that shows a pulse of light from the rough area where the missiles were fired from, but it's not in the 2 minute video that was posted in-thread. The shorter video has no clear indicator of when it was filmed vs the longer clip so it's unclear if it was before or after the salvo, let alone how much time elapsed between the clips. Different than the bright flash from each launch before you see the interceptor clear the buildings? Like, without the full context I could see that being taken for an impact.
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May 17, 2023 00:31
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mllaneza posted:I would have expected the launchers to be farther apart. Same. I was under the impression that patriot usually disperses their batteries pretty widely. Like 10s of miles apart and that the control hub doesn’t need to be that close.
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May 17, 2023 00:34
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/br4s1d4s/status/1658170431118139393?t=56SppsonIbM12YWbayaQwQ&s=19  Oh drat. I am definitely not up on current CIS politics. After Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova....who's next?
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May 17, 2023 00:39
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Armenia, CIS is doing gently caress all to protect them from Azerbaijan
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May 17, 2023 00:42
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Flikken posted:Armenia, CIS is doing gently caress all to protect them from Azerbaijan Armenia invoked the mutual defense clause of the CIS and asked Putin to help and he basically shrugged and said deal with it yourself
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HonorableTB posted:Armenia invoked the mutual defense clause of the CIS and asked Putin to help and he basically shrugged and said deal with it yourself Not gonna lie, if it wasn't for Lions led by donkeys I wouldn't even pay attention to Armenia. That podcast has widened my horizons
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May 17, 2023 01:02
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Holy poo poo that's one hell of a show. Looks like there were a few duds towards the end maybe? edit: I just realized part of the reason why I'm impressed is because this is real life Missile Command Jimmy Smuts fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 17, 2023 |
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May 17, 2023 01:34
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Those all look like interceptor launches to me?
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May 17, 2023 02:08
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I'm not a SAM guy, so I'm not familiar with them
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May 17, 2023 02:33
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Flikken posted:Not gonna lie, if it wasn't for Lions led by donkeys I wouldn't even pay attention to Armenia. Fantastic joke. 10/10
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May 17, 2023 02:41
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Deteriorata posted:What I have gathered is that some US adviser claimed a Patriot had been damaged, without specifying exactly what it was. Russia then claimed it as a kill, while others in Ukraine said the damage relatively minor and was caused by falling debris. this was actually a misnomer Tom Brady got hit by falling debris and is currently in the hospital
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I'm not a SAM guy, so I'm not familiar with them Wasn't directed at you specifically but I ran the video in reverse and am pretty sure I traced each flash back to a launch. So yea I guess some poo poo could have fell out of the sky and bent a radar or something but I really don't think they actually got struck proper.
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Do the missiles use an FTS if they lose targeting data? Could be those missiles self terminated early after their target was struck by a different missile.
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no idea how accurate any of this is but it might be a good overview https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-patriot-air-defense-system/
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https://twitter.com/vidtranslator/status/1658261743548891136?s=20 lmao CIA recruiting Russians using commercials in the bleak dingy stylings they all know and love
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AlternateNu posted:
it doesn't really matter, since the CIS proper doesn't mean much. the version of the CIS that mattered was called the Soviet Union. the former Soviet republics generally have close (if not necessarily amicable) relations regardless because they share borders and economic ties anyway. idk if Moldova formally leaving would have much meaningful impact on its relationship with, say, CIS member Kazakhstan, since realistically Moldova doesn't have much reason to interact with Kazakhstan (versus the EU, Romania, Ukraine, and Russia) anyway. there are several related economic and military treaties that are more meaningful. the military treaty, the CSTO, has had significant issues stemming from its member states attacking one another, with the CSTO just kinda shrugging and saying "idk, nothing we can do to mediate this conflict lol" economic relationships in central asian states are more complicated. remittances from migrant workers in russia factor significantly into several central asian nations' economies, and all of them are somewhat stuck in a balancing act between chinese and russian economic influence
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Could be the angle of the shot and perspective, ie; the missles are flying away from the camera
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There's legitimate outlets reporting that a Ukrainian patriot battery may have actually been damaged in yesterday's strike.Washington Post posted:A Patriot air defense system — the most advanced air defense in the U.S. arsenal — was damaged in the attack, a U.S. official said Tuesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue. The extent of damage is unclear, the official said, though it is unlikely Ukraine will need to ship it to another country for repair.
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Even if one did get damaged , it's not a big deal. It's a top of the line conventional AAA system, not an invincible war winning wunderwaffe. Edit: just imagine how insufferable the Russian telegram channels are going to be the first time an Abrams is lost in theater. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 17, 2023 |
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May 17, 2023 16:29
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the ERA damaged it
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Alan Smithee posted:the ERA damaged it Half tempted to buy an :era: smiley featuring the 2 Ukrainian era gremlins.
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Alan Smithee posted:the ERA damaged it Well: https://twitter.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1658839862366150656 ...not impossible, of this particular report is accurate, and not damage control for someone with loose lips.
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Shrapnel put a slow leak in one of the tires Reflected overpressure spiderwebbed the windshield Russia declares entire patriot battery an economic loss.
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Arrath posted:Shrapnel put a slow leak in one of the tires Gonna have to push the buttons on the CTIS just a little bit harder.
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Arrath posted:Shrapnel put a slow leak in one of the tires That is all that happened after however many things were launched at it?
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ASAPI posted:That is all that happened after however many things were launched at it? https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1658479217393426432?t=88lOLmzNqsqNlcV95oXZ1Q&s=19
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1658479217393426432?t=88lOLmzNqsqNlcV95oXZ1Q&s=19 Imagine what they could achieve if they put this much effort into attacking some actual military target, instead of terror-bombing the cities and civilians.
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Der Kyhe posted:Imagine what they could achieve if they put this much effort into going the gently caress home
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I imagine Shohei Ohtani would be an even better batter if we outfitted him with millions of dollars worth of radar and a precision guided bat for every pitch.
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It feels so petty to waste all the time, energy, money, and resources on random terror strikes. Even if half of them hit in Kyiv, they would hit what most likely? Apartments and Hospitals? Transit hubs at high traffic times? While the civilian deaths would be brutal, nothing would stop the war. Even if cruelty is the point, this is just such a massive waste. And even if they did overwhelm the air defenses for one night, what does it matter when it requires this much time and energy the next night and so forth. There has to be more worthwhile targets near the front, like that could result in actual gains or advantages. I know I'm just an armchair general and a civilian at that, but this poo poo is so baffling to me. I'm totally happy to be proven wrong as this thread has some great insights for morons like me, but I'm just baffled by the effort and the waste really. Alan Smithee posted:Imagine what they could achieve if they put this much effort into going the gently caress home
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Getting timely, usable coordinates for a mass strike against contested, constantly repositioning front line tactical targets is hard work. It also requires a degree of battlespace awareness and C2 integration that Russia probably doesn't have. Apartments and bus stops aren't going anywhere and you can pull targets off Google Earth.
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Crazy Ferret posted:It feels so petty to waste all the time, energy, money, and resources on random terror strikes. Even if half of them hit in Kyiv, they would hit what most likely? Apartments and Hospitals? Transit hubs at high traffic times? While the civilian deaths would be brutal, nothing would stop the war. Even if cruelty is the point, this is just such a massive waste. And even if they did overwhelm the air defenses for one night, what does it matter when it requires this much time and energy the next night and so forth. The Acoup blog did a great analysis a little while back about why bad military leadership keeps trying civilian bombing campaigns. Basically they *feel* like they should work, and when you're in a war there's a desire to punish the enemy, so thus bad leadership tends to default into this same mistake pattern over and over again.
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Crazy Ferret posted:It feels so petty to waste all the time, energy, money, and resources on random terror strikes. Even if half of them hit in Kyiv, they would hit what most likely? Apartments and Hospitals? Transit hubs at high traffic times? While the civilian deaths would be brutal, nothing would stop the war. Even if cruelty is the point, this is just such a massive waste. And even if they did overwhelm the air defenses for one night, what does it matter when it requires this much time and energy the next night and so forth. I think Russia is making a strategic bet with these attacks that they will help them outlast western support. They don't have any offensive capabilities except grinding their own manpower into dust against Ukrainians and massed attacks using stand-off missiles of questionable tactical usefulness (due both to systemic intelligence failures and poor-quality weapon systems). The latter option saps expensive air-defense resources which increasingly have to come from the west, so they've picked it as a pain point. The horror of it is a desired feature matching the genocidal malice of Putin's regime, not a flaw at all from their perspective.
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