Ukraine War: "20 months of war for a used car."

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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

That's definitely a "we want to make lots of money from the fat contracts paid by EU" situation but at least we know they'll lobby for moe money :3:

# ? May 16, 2023 23:44

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 04:46

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1658499703980302342
Crabs in a loving bucket, all the way down. How deranged are these people that seeking volunteer help is now considered "discrediting the army"?

# ? May 16, 2023 23:49

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1658499703980302342
Crabs in a loving bucket, all the way down. How deranged are these people that seeking volunteer help is now considered "discrediting the army"?

Honestly this sounds like bullshit. How would it even work in practice to send a guy to the front without artillery support? Do they have special units for this that are forbidden from receiving artillery support?

# ? May 16, 2023 23:56

biglads: Feb 21, 2007; I could've gone to Blatherwycke

Geisladisk posted:

Honestly this sounds like bullshit. How would it even work in practice to send a guy to the front without artillery support? Do they have special units for this that are forbidden from receiving artillery support?

Yes, it's all of the units.

# ? May 16, 2023 23:58

DandyLion: Jun 24, 2010; disrespectul Deciever

Geisladisk posted:

Honestly this sounds like bullshit. How would it even work in practice to send a guy to the front without artillery support? Do they have special units for this that are forbidden from receiving artillery support?

It's a post facto explanation for russia having no artillery support anymore.

# ? May 16, 2023 23:58

Runa: Feb 13, 2011

Butterfly Valley posted:

i'm gonna be the tedious fucker that points out it's champing

usage accepts both and unfortunately usage is the arbiter final

# ? May 17, 2023 00:05

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Geisladisk posted:

Honestly this sounds like bullshit. How would it even work in practice to send a guy to the front without artillery support? Do they have special units for this that are forbidden from receiving artillery support?

You have to join the Wagners if you want artillery support.

# ? May 17, 2023 00:07

shadow puppet of a: Jan 10, 2007; NO TENGO SCORPIO

Butterfly Valley posted:

businesses want business is a ?

Yes, i hope a shitton of my tax dollars go towards building back a Ukraine that is an MTV Cribs standard of living where everwhere, even a root cellar could conceivably be "where the magic happens' based on the number of flatscreens and cherubs spitting water into an LED lit infinity pool.

gently caress, raise my taxes up a bracket to furnish Dontesk and Luhansk with an absolute glut of fun poo poo like roller rinks, kitchy diners and IMAX Level 15Q grade theaters.

And you better believe the Toto heated jet dry washlet toilet is the minimum national codified building standard alongside 7-11-grade heavy duty microwaves in every last area that can be loosely defined as a kitchen.

Make them absolutely gut-sick with envy across the ruins of that ex-bridge.

# ? May 17, 2023 00:27

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Russia threw another tantrum and started denazifying grocery stores again.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1658590462494535680

# ? May 17, 2023 01:26

shadow puppet of a: Jan 10, 2007; NO TENGO SCORPIO

lol @ failing to knock over a local-equivalent-of-Wheetabix display with what 50 soviet phds expended their life's work on designing from within the industrial bowels of a closed city's missile and fissile sectors.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:17

zone: Dec 6, 2016

shadow puppet of a posted:

lol @ failing to knock over a local-equivalent-of-Wheetabix display with what 50 soviet phds expended their life's work on designing from within the industrial bowels of a closed city's missile and fissile sectors.

Apparently, according to Mykolaiv's governor, the missile didn't explode.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:18

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Defence Express posted:

For russia, the export of arms is an important part of its revenue, in addition to, of course, being crucial for defense industry development and international influence. Among armored vehicles, the T-90 main battle tank was a celebrity.

They managed to sell this modern tank to Azerbaijan, Algeria, Syria, India, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Vietnam, and almost made contracts on supplies to Egypt and Kuwait. One contract for already made T-90 to India coming with the license for local manufacturing brought USD 4.5 billion to the russian treasury. The Algerian three-stage contract for 600 vehicles added another $3 billion (estimated value) to the russian wealth.

Even the sanctions imposed on the Kremlin after the annexation of Ukrainian Crimea did not turn Vietnam off the deal on 64 units of T-90 in 2016. The contract, signed in secrecy, was disclosed only a year after it had been sealed. How much money did Hanoi offer russia, it is still unknown.

Surely, since russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, more powerful sanctions were imposed which could affect the buyers of russian weapons, too. And hundreds of russian tanks destroyed in Ukraine, including the T-90, have wavered the russian myths about its armored equipment.

But the most painful blow was made by the Center for Research of Trophies and Prospective Weapons and Military Equipment at Ukraine's General Staff after its specialists made a thorough study of the components of a T-90 tank captured by the Ukrainian soldiers in battle.

Some results were announced during a dedicated press conference, while additional details were revealed by the head of the facility Serhii Bachurin in an interview to ArmyInform. In particular, he pointed out critical problems with the tank's V-92S2F engine which simply doesn't have enough power to propel the 46-ton vehicle. The over-advertised Kalina fire control system has Western components for civilian use in it, moreover, its electronics are assembled without complying with the requirements for humidity, so the electrical contacts start to oxidize and eventually fail.

The hyped new automatic reloading system turned out to be another myth because in order to supply ammunition from the stock located in the back of the turret, one has to leave the tank and carry the rounds with his own hands.

Serhii Bachurin said, after the results of the study were revealed to the public, "the information received broad resonance far beyond Ukraine, many international companies that contracted russia on T-90 supplies have rapidly canceled the agreements."

"The nullification of contracts means billions of dollars in losses for the russian federation. This money won't be spent on more weapons for the russian army, therefore they won't be killing our warriors on the battlefield, our citizens, won't ruin our country," head of the research center noted.

Altogether it means only one thing. Thanks to the armed forces of Ukraine and the public analysis of the key export product of russian military equipment, Ukraine may have crushed russian hopes to sell anything for dozens of years to come. It he is especially evident in the light of the problems russia has selling weapons even to the closest partners.

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

# ? May 17, 2023 02:21

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

HonorableTB posted:

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

Center for Research of Trophies and Prospective Weapons and Military Equipment

Amazing.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:32

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

HonorableTB posted:

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

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# ? May 17, 2023 02:37

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

too bad about your lovely tank russia

# ? May 17, 2023 02:43

zone: Dec 6, 2016

HonorableTB posted:

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

So much for their arms industry.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:47

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

HonorableTB posted:

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

Wait� how does that even work if you need to get out of the turret to reload the main gun?!? What??

# ? May 17, 2023 02:55

Huggybear: Jun 17, 2005; I got the jimjams

Geisladisk posted:

Honestly this sounds like bullshit. How would it even work in practice to send a guy to the front without artillery support? Do they have special units for this that are forbidden from receiving artillery support?

It's all a Russian general can do to obey orders to sustain the invasion effort and defensive posture. At a certain level you can't bribe your way out, and at the lowest levels you are shot for disobeying orders and apparently retreating. So as long as the Russians have manpower to leverage, they will seemingly continue this utter insanity. But most of the artillery they had to begin with was not very effective, the Ukrainians have western technology to pinpoint counterstrike and insane poo poo like HIMARS to target with far more precision. Plus if you are defending, you can plot artillery along likely axes of attack and zero in with precision on precise coordinates by spotting with drones beforehand, even with basic poo poo like mortars.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:57

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Rheinmetal gonna be sliding into so many countries DMs

Comstar posted:

Wait� how does that even work if you need to get out of the turret to reload the main gun?!? What??

I think the autoloader holds a certain amount of rounds, and to refresh that stock of rounds you have to get out of the tank and load them back into the turret.

# ? May 17, 2023 02:57

the popes toes: Oct 10, 2004

Comstar posted:

Wait� how does that even work if you need to get out of the turret to reload the main gun?!? What??

I think it means once the ammo carousel is depleted, the rounds have to be loaded manually into the, well poo poo, no, I don't know what that means

# ? May 17, 2023 02:59

tiaz: Jul 1, 2004; PICK UP THAT PRESENT.

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Barudak posted:

I think the autoloader holds a certain amount of rounds, and to refresh that stock of rounds you have to get out of the tank and load them back into the turret.

this is correct aiui. the autoloader carousel holds 22, but the total ammunition capacity is 42-43. if you get through your 22, it's time to go for a walk

e: western tanks do also do this "some ammunition is inconvenient to access" pattern sometimes/to some extent. the abrams has a "ready rack" with idk, 18-36? -and then the rest are more annoying to reach. that isn't nearly as bad as needing to get out though. older french autoloaders also required you to get out to reload once the autoloader was empty and they had, like, 12 in the drum.

tiaz fucked around with this message at 03:07 on May 17, 2023

# ? May 17, 2023 03:03

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

I wonder how many Russians are going to fall out of windows in the next 48 hours now that a lot of orders for weapons got cancelled and/or if Russia is going to somehow keep dripfeeding weapons into client countries despite them saying "we changed our minds we don't want your stuff please stop."

# ? May 17, 2023 03:04

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

tiaz posted:

this is correct aiui. the autoloader carousel holds 22, but the total ammunition capacity is 42-43. if you get through your 22, it's time to go for a walk

reloading Abrams is going to be a big change of pace for people used to using that stuff, for sure

# ? May 17, 2023 03:04

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Its two great weakpoints in your armor design for the price of one.

# ? May 17, 2023 03:07

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

shadow puppet of a posted:

lol @ failing to knock over a local-equivalent-of-Wheetabix display with what 50 soviet phds expended their life's work on designing from within the industrial bowels of a closed city's missile and fissile sectors.

their missiles had the wrong kind of RAM

# ? May 17, 2023 03:14

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Barudak posted:

Rheinmetal gonna be sliding into so many countries DMs

I think the autoloader holds a certain amount of rounds, and to refresh that stock of rounds you have to get out of the tank and load them back into the turret.

would Germany even sell to countries friendly with Russia? I wonder if China would swoop

or even S. Korea if the countries aren't on the greatest terms with China (pretty much any Asian country)

# ? May 17, 2023 03:21

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

Alan Smithee posted:

would Germany even sell to countries friendly with Russia? I wonder if China would swoop

or even S. Korea if the countries aren't on the greatest terms with China (pretty much any Asian country)

South Korea has developed their own poo poo, I don't think they're looking

# ? May 17, 2023 03:23

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

MrQwerty posted:

South Korea has developed their own poo poo, I don't think they're looking

i was talking about swooping yes

# ? May 17, 2023 03:24

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

"They wanted me to build them a hypersonic missile, so I took their money and gave them a shoddy missile casing full of used pinball machine parts"

E: also the CIA is livetweeting infomercials on how to become an informant, lol...

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 03:37 on May 17, 2023

# ? May 17, 2023 03:35

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

HonorableTB posted:

One captured T-90 leg to billions of dollars lost for Russia:

Lmao owned

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/one_captured_t_90_led_to_billions_of_dollars_lost_for_russia-6727.html

Why the gently caress was Kuwait going to buy Russian gear?

They had a front row seat to watch the US utterly clown on Russian export gear back in the Gulf war when they were being invaded.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:01

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

A nice post about the recent news surrounding the lead justice of the Ukrainian supreme court getting busted accepting bribes:

Gerashchenko posted:

Wolf in sheep's clothing

The judicial system of the country and all citizens who heard the news about the detention of the Head of the Supreme Court (https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/71241) are in shock today.

The chairman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vsevolod Knyazev, is reasonably suspected by SAPO and NABU of taking a bribe of $2.7 million in a case involving a showdown over the ownership of one of the largest mining businesses, Ferrexpo, controlled by entrepreneur Konstantin Zhevago (Ferrexpo shares, by the way, are sold on London Stock Exchange).

It is hard to even imagine the harm that this fact of TOP corruption does to the interests of society and the state, to the bleeding country.

What do they think about corrupt judges, relatives of those who died in the war against the vile aggressor?

What do the guys who have been defending Bakhmut for the 10th month think?

What do our foreign partners think about this shameful fact, who have already allocated more than 100 billion dollars in support of Ukraine and are preparing to transfer hundreds of billions of confiscated Russian assets to us for restoration?

What are the feelings of thousands of judges now, honestly doing their job, receiving only wages? By the way, is it high enough compared to the salary of ordinary civil servants?

Suspicion of corruption of the Head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vsevolod Knyazev, who went through all the stages of careful selection through the sieves of the VKKS, the millstone of the public council of virtue, who, by the way, does not have any comments on the property status from anti-corruption institutions and investigative journalists, who is fluent in English, raises the question - yes, but what should be the selection of judges so that they do not take bribes, but work honestly?

For me the answer has been clear for a long time - THERE IS NO PERFECT SELECTION SYSTEM, which would give a 100% guarantee of judges' virtue. Only in the case when the judge, prosecutor, law enforcement officer, official will know that he has no chance to avoid liability for a bribe, or other significant violation of the Law.

It is the 100% inevitability of punishment, combined with a high-quality, but not super complex system for selecting judges that exists now, and fair remuneration for their work, is the key to the gradual cleansing of the judicial system from judges of traitors!

But even the factors listed above will not work without total intolerance for corruption in our society, which, among other things, is realized due to the exponential punishment of those who give bribes.
Many do not know or forget that the issue of bribery can be eradicated only if there is a guarantee that the one who offers a bribe will know that in 10 cases out of 10 the one to whom he offers a bribe will hand him over to law enforcement officers. In the meantime, the cases are almost isolated, unfortunately.

The detention of Knyazev on suspicion of corruption does not put an end to the judicial system of Ukraine. Not at all. There are thousands of honest judges who proudly fulfill their duty, according to the law and the calling of the soul. And there are definitely more of them than those who use their post for their own enrichment.

The same applies to the Ukrainian legal profession, only one of the 60,000 representatives of which was detained yesterday on suspicion of mediating the transfer of a bribe.

On the contrary, this is a big, significant step towards the cleansing of both the judiciary and the entire justice system. A signal for those corrupt officials who, unfortunately, still remain in the judicial system and not only that there are no inviolable ones!
In addition, it should be noted as a positive that another post-Soviet institution among judges, which helped dishonest judges to engage in corruption, is gradually ceasing to exist - I mean �mutual responsibility�.

In the case of Knyazev, there were virtuous and courageous judges who gave permission to NABU and SAPO to conduct covert investigative actions, searches, and arrests. I am sure that the future of further changes in the judicial system of Ukraine is:

1. Guaranteed, 100% punishment for both corrupt judges and those who offer bribes to judges. (By the way, I wonder what kind of statistics - how many facts were there that judges applied to the VRP or law enforcement agencies, that someone offered them bribes, and they immediately reported this to the VRP, or law enforcement agencies? I assume that it is scanty).

2. Also, the future of the criminal process is a change in procedures that speed up the consideration of criminal cases, preventing procedural methods from dragging out such cases for 6-8 years, reaching up to the expiration of the statute of limitations for a crime committed and thus giving corrupt officials hope to avoid responsibility.

3. Perhaps the Parliament, after studying the European experience, needs to return to the issue of legislative regulation of the provocation of a bribe, which today is prohibited by law as a provocation.

4. But the most important and difficult task of the State and the Society is to educate and promote zero tolerance for corruption among citizens. This will take decades.

PS The paradox of the situation with suspicion of bribery of the Chairman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is that, as I am told by lawyers familiar with the history of the issue of court case No. a fair decision in his favor, because, as the customer of the decision, he did not believe that the Grand Chamber of the Court could make such a decision free of charge.

This war is a huge national turning point for Ukraine. They've made their decision to eliminate the remnants of Soviet and Russian occupation and domination in their state systems. Ukraine will be European

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 17, 2023

# ? May 17, 2023 04:05

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

Deki posted:

Why the gently caress was Kuwait going to buy Russian gear?

They had a front row seat to watch the US utterly clown on Russian export gear back in the Gulf war when they were being invaded.

cuz it's cheap

# ? May 17, 2023 04:09

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Alan Smithee posted:

would Germany even sell to countries friendly with Russia? I wonder if China would swoop

or even S. Korea if the countries aren't on the greatest terms with China (pretty much any Asian country)

India exists and their home grown tank project was a failure, they were the big one I was thinking of.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:10

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1658566623962320915
I can only say you were always going to be disappointed. China is only in it for China, not you nor anyone else. China's not going to get itself ruined alongside you. You can look forward to the results of thirty years of meddling in everyone's affairs and fomenting conflict to bite you back in the rear end at last.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:20

tiaz: Jul 1, 2004; PICK UP THAT PRESENT.

Zelensky's Zealots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircerwGC3uo

RFU update, sounds like some of the last good fortified buildings in Bakhmut have fallen, and Ukrainian forces might be withdrawing from the city. Unknown if they intend to keep pushing the flanks in that case, and if not the ~~Sovi~~ Russian steamroller moves on to exchange another 300,000 lives for Chasiv Yar.

whisper

what do you MEAN we don't have 300,000 -

# ? May 17, 2023 04:25

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003; LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL (づ￣ �￣)づ♥(�∀�●)

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1658566623962320915
I can only say you were always going to be disappointed. China is only in it for China, not you nor anyone else. China's not going to get itself ruined alongside you. You can look forward to the results of thirty years of meddling in everyone's affairs and fomenting conflict to bite you back in the rear end at last.

lol "HOW COME CHINA IS NOT THE MAIN SUPPORTER OF MOTHER RUSSIA" is absolutely one of the most predictable outcomes of this shitshow

# ? May 17, 2023 04:27

Sir John Falstaff: Apr 13, 2010

Deki posted:

Why the gently caress was Kuwait going to buy Russian gear?

They had a front row seat to watch the US utterly clown on Russian export gear back in the Gulf war when they were being invaded.

I think it has generally been recognized that American equipment is usually somewhat superior to Russian, but it's also a lot more expensive. Like, an Abrams is about twice the price of a T-90. A country could reasonably decide that, although each T-90 is individually slightly worse than an Abrams, it's better to have twice as many tanks.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:28

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 6 days!)

Sir John Falstaff posted:

A country could reasonably decide that, although each T-90 is individually slightly worse than an Abrams, it's better to have twice as many tanks.

The burden you're placing on "slightly" here is a lot more than I think the term was designed for, frankly.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:33

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

MrQwerty posted:

lol "HOW COME CHINA IS NOT THE MAIN SUPPORTER OF MOTHER RUSSIA" is absolutely one of the most predictable outcomes of this shitshow

For crying out loud, even when both countries were communist, they were still at loggerheads against one another.

Utterly divorced from reality.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:36

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 04:46

shadow puppet of a: Jan 10, 2007; NO TENGO SCORPIO

Hannibal Rex posted:

Yeah, about that.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/16/3-russian-hypersonic-missile-scientists-jailed-for-treasoncolleagues-say-a81155

The cia should infiltrate some of those dog breed specific rescue groups and over the course of a year convert them into moving mountains and driving for sixty hours straight to pickup an abused Russian military scientist who yes does bite and has mange but who will overlook that to secure them into the back of a Volvo in a blanket nest playing soothing music with and a rawhide T14 to gnaw on for the sixty hour drive home.

Because they won�t have the resources to get all the the secret-laden brainy types out in their own when lil Pute bites the big flute.

# ? May 17, 2023 04:47

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