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thebardyspoon posted:I think the idea of the PVE, and it has become clear now that it was at best an idea, was that it'd be a co-op left 4 dead style thing with a bit more depth to the bosses and such and then skill trees for the heroes that'd let you get really nuts upgrades and changes to their playstyle, probably somewhat to make the more selfish characters work better in a 4 player co-op setting. On this excellent point about it being a left 4 dead kinda deal, , I do wonder how much of them killing it off has come from how there was a huge buzz around co-op PVE shooters - remember a year ago how every game in every console showcase was a 4 player co-op FPS - and now those games have mostly come and fizzled away. So I could see this having been greenlit at the same time as all those other games, but then maybe canned when 2022 didn’t go too well for all those other games. Who knows!
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The amount of people here interested in OW pve is honestly baffling to me. Fighting generic robots endlessly like it is some sort of c-tier capeshit movie is just hella boring imo, especially when you have so many different characters already  yeah those event missions are decently fun for 1 or 2 times maybe i suppose idk anyway, lmao blizzard you fuckups
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May 17, 2023 14:40
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It's also hard for me to reconcile ~LORE~ with a game that looks like the inside of a pinball machine
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May 17, 2023 14:43
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Man, wait till these guys find out how many RTS players just play the campaign, or CoD, or Halo, or basically any other game.
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heard u like girls posted:The amount of people here interested in OW pve is honestly baffling to me. Fighting generic robots endlessly like it is some sort of c-tier capeshit movie is just hella boring imo, especially when you have so many different characters already heard u like girls posted:It's also hard for me to reconcile ~LORE~ with a game that looks like the inside of a pinball machine I agree. I only play the most realistic and the most competitive games. There's just no value in singleplayer and stylized games. They're for babies.
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May 17, 2023 14:46
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Co-op pve peaked at Mass Effect 3 multiplayer.
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Jack Trades posted:I agree. I only play the most realistic and the most competitive games.  absolutely, Lord Packinham posted:Man, wait till these guys find out how many RTS players just play the campaign, or CoD, or Halo, or basically any other game. Indeed there are a bazillion other games you could play that have interesting single player content, that's why i dont understand the hype for OW pve, which to me, was boring compared to playing other games or game-modes.
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May 17, 2023 15:06
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Brendan Rodgers posted:This has all been incredibly predictable. All that remains now is for the court cases by the teams/franchises to kill OWL once and for all. It's funny to look back at how happy DPS players were on release. There's a consolation prize though; they could just go play any of the hundreds of FPS games that don't have healers or tanks. They always existed.
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Well, I would argue that most people don’t seem to like the pvp in OW2 that much. It’s doing fine but without the PvE, the game will probably just fade into obscurity. If OW2 doesn’t have pve then it’s just a mediocre team shooter with bad balancing.
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May 17, 2023 15:15
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I feel like the gooniest take possible is always something along the lines of “i don’t want it, therefore I have no possible way of understanding why other people would want it, despite the fact that it is massively popular and there is no shortage of people explaining exactly why they want it. Everyone besides me is wrong and stupid.”
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May 17, 2023 15:16
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I enjoyed Retribution and in a just world it would have been iterated on in terms of level flow and in-game storytelling. Storm Warning was a linear and weirdly short follow up that seemed to mainly be a tech demo for storm weather effects
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May 17, 2023 15:17
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I don’t know if this is better or worse than WC3 reforged.
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I feel like the gooniest thing is meta posting about made up opinions Regardless i love playing this game with my buddies and am considering playing ranked with a friend, for shits and giggles and hopefully less game-leavers on average.
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Lord Packinham posted:I don’t know if this is better or worse than WC3 reforged. It might have gone the same way if PvE had been released. But since it got canceled - despite Blizzard themselves saying that OW2 was going to EVENTUALLY have a proper PvE mode/campaign and all - it's a double whammy of a lazy effort doing it AND walking back on their word. That said, I think I remember hearing that it would have attempted to command a $60 price tag for the mode and updates to the mode.
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The Grumbles posted:I feel like the gooniest take possible is always something along the lines of “i don’t want it, therefore I have no possible way of understanding why other people would want it, despite the fact that it is massively popular and there is no shortage of people explaining exactly why they want it. Everyone besides me is wrong and stupid.” I mean you can want it, its just weird that people are so into tacked on PvE rather than a game that'd actually be designed for it. I assume you'd be hoping blizzard actually put effort into it but that's not exactly something i'd have ever counted on. But also I think all the holiday PvE modes were crap so  Not my thing.
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People liked the holiday pve and event pves a lot. They liked the idea of OW gameplay vs static opponents and mounting waves of enemies instead of the pvp. All they wanted Blizzard to do was expand those events into multiple stages with the pve talent trees (customization in play style and replayability) with more mission types, set pieces and an enemy roster. Of note is that Blizz has famously done this before. There's a lot of overlap with the design space of SC2 co-op for example. It's not that complicated to understand. "But it's so basic!!" Simple games like Vampire Survivors launched a genre and a thousand contenders. If people tell you they want X and will give you money then X is valid business. If Blizzard announced they were making OW2 for pve, please bear with them for 3 years and then just discarded it that doesn't make the people mad about this weirdos who wanted some halfbaked gamemode. They wanted Blizzard to take their proof of concept that got positive reception and expand it.
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Doomykins posted:People liked the holiday pve and event pves a lot. They liked the idea of OW gameplay vs static opponents and mounting waves of enemies instead of the pvp. I mean, yeah, I get all this. I just don't get things like "Of note is that Blizz has famously done this before. There's a lot of overlap with the design space of SC2 co-op for example.". How long ago was that? Blizz doesn't have the same team working on it and this is the third attempt at a PVE shooter that's failed (Ghost and Titan were the other two). I didn't really have faith in it, hence my confusion. I'd much rather go with a company that is actively developing this stuff as a focus rather than an offshoot. So yeah, I think it's a bit weird that people had faith in blizzard, but i've been laughing at them for like 6 years at this point since they killed the monthly melee's and then had literally nothing for a year before launching OWL, which if I recall they're getting sued for by the investors. Their track record with overwatch (and shooters in general) is loving abysmal. Also, as of note, i said its weird that people were into the idea of blizzard doing it, not that people were weirdos for wanting the mode. There is an important difference there. This isn't a personal attack.
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Y'know, what if Blizzard could outsource it instead of killing it? ... Nah, they'd need Microsoft's money for that at this point.
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I guess FPS is a significant difference for the devs but the idea of making a bunch of set challenges of enemy targets to obliterate in interesting ways is their bread and butter across the company. StarCraft, Warcraft, WoW, Diablo, Heroes, even Hearthstone does it. They had Team Fort 2 and the post L4D2 renaissance of horde shooters to uh, take homage from. It is weird and funny to have faith in Blizzard these days but drat I didn't think a boiler plate "escalating series of horde shooter/light tower defense maps where you're the towers" was beyond them. I'd expect and have played AA indie titles that pulled it off. Orcs Must Die debuted 12 years ago!
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sube posted:Curious if OW will even deliver the event/mission PvE they are still promising now. What a waste Well it's OW1 so I fully expect them to deliver 2-3 half-assed coop missions over the course of the next 5-6 years.
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comedyblissoption posted:ow is one of the few remaining popular fps games where controllers don't dominate at the most common and important engagement ranges Can you expand on this?
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The Grumbles posted:TBH I just think there are core problems with the design of Overwatch that make it fundamentally unbalanceable. It’s like if DOTA didn’t have items. this reminds me that when the OW League started, they didn't even have a spectator mode in the game. Just insane stuff
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Doomykins posted:People liked the holiday pve and event pves a lot. They liked the idea of OW gameplay vs static opponents and mounting waves of enemies instead of the pvp. Yeah I have no idea what's so hard to understand about people wanting a co-op campaign (as promised by Blizzard) with the stable of beloved characters from Overwatch. Seems like a solid idea to be honest. Whether it was going to be good or not is a different story, but people were definitely interested in a more dedicated campaign.
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Think of it this way. Your noted town fuckup who was really good 20 years ago tells you that this time, this time he's got a good idea. He's definitely gonna pull through this time. He hasn't pulled through in the past 7 years. In fact, he's just been failing over and over again in more and more spectacular ways. Would you also not be surprised that someone believed him rather than going "haha, yeah Pete, you'll definitely get it this time". The thing is, people will still be a bit hype for blizzards next project that they'll fuckup and we'll have this conversation again.
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There's the survival game they've been working on for years now, that'll restart the Blizzard hype cycle once again.
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dogstile posted:Think of it this way. Your noted town fuckup who was really good 20 years ago tells you that this time, this time he's got a good idea. He's definitely gonna pull through this time. They just stated in an interview that they are very confident on Diablo 4's launch https://www.eurogamer.net/blizzard-really-confident-of-smooth-diablo-4-launch-following-server-stress-tests Which is like, I don't know why anyone would actually believe this when I want to say most if not all of their last releases were broken in some form on launch. I couldn't even play OW2 the day it launched because of issues. E: What I'm trying to say is that if people are still going to take Blizzard at their word when they haven't delivered on that in over a decade are delusional. Are newer and younger fans going to care? Idk Maybe the current installbase, but when does everyone's patience/good will for Blizzard run out?
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Edit: I actually have no idea, i'm tired. I'm going to bed, lol
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dogstile posted:Honestly i missed the sarcasm in your first post so that's my bad, lol Lol you're good its still morning
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One thing's for sure, this PvE rugpull is an indirect confirmation of another widely held suspicion: Loser's queue is real
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The REAL Goobusters posted:They just stated in an interview that they are very confident on Diablo 4's launch Doing their server stress test the same weekend the new Zelda launched was a genius move to generate promising results.
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celewign posted:Can you expand on this? the only games not overrun by this problem are tacfps style games and overwatch
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Doing their server stress test the same weekend the new Zelda launched was a genius move to generate promising results. Can you crucify a quest giver in Diablo IV? Clearly not. 
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah I have no idea what's so hard to understand about people wanting a co-op campaign (as promised by Blizzard) with the stable of beloved characters from Overwatch. Seems like a solid idea to be honest. Whether it was going to be good or not is a different story, but people were definitely interested in a more dedicated campaign. Not, you know, shut down your existing game entirely, force everyone who wants to keep playing to migrate to a new version, sweeten the deal with the promise of a big new feature, say for three years that the big new feature is definitely happening, and then rugpull at the last minute. That's a good way to convince your playerbase that you're all just liars, lol edit: but as others have said, basically par for the course for modern Blizzard Zephro fucked around with this message at 17:31 on May 17, 2023 |
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celewign posted:Can you expand on this? well this is what you get in other games with literally zero aim input which is why i still play overwatch lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZP-46sou8o&t=18s
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comedyblissoption posted:you know how hard it is to track ad strafes in overwatch? lol holy poo poo
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heard u like girls posted:lol holy poo poo to give a hard example of this: every single professional apex legends player has switched to controller because the advantage it provides is insurmountable, even for the absolute best of the best KB+M players out there not using it is the equivalent of, like, trying to play on 120ms in other online games
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AA is fine for console V console, but maybe disable that stuff for PC or mixed platform? or tune it better. or maybe microsoft should stop being a holdout and have motion/gyro controllers
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PhazonLink posted:AA is fine for console V console, but maybe disable that stuff for PC or mixed platform? or tune it better. As much as I hate aiming to be the key skill in a game, that looks absolutely unfun.
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