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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I've seen this bandied about Elsewhere, people asserting that the GOP Senators wouldn't permit a Feinstein replacement if she resigned, but a lot of people also seem to be disregarding that, so is that in fact the case?

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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
The GOP has resisted reorganizing the judiciary committe to remove Feinstein as a temporary measure. I'm not familiar with Senate procedure for a completely new senator, in terms of committees, but sitting a senator is out of their control.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Yes the issue was that if they wanted to replace her with another Senator on the committee that the GOP could potentially block it. That wouldn’t apply if she resigns and gets replaced by another Senator in her place

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1658834119847997440

That's right! And don't let anyone forget it! Trumpet this from the rooftops!

https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1658813871774105600

Fact check: True! Say you would sign a six-week federal ban on abortion Mr. Trump!

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Why the hell is Biden going to the G7 when we are like 2 weeks away from a catastrophic economic meltdown

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Charliegrs posted:

Why the hell is Biden going to the G7 when we are like 2 weeks away from a catastrophic economic meltdown

When you refuse to negotiate you have a lot of free time

Also if you render it impossible to pull you into a meeting, refusing to negotiate is easier

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Charliegrs posted:

Why the hell is Biden going to the G7 when we are like 2 weeks away from a catastrophic economic meltdown

Getting the rest of the world ready for when America defaults :shrug:

selec
Sep 6, 2003

haveblue posted:

When you refuse to negotiate you have a lot of free time

Also if you render it impossible to pull you into a meeting, refusing to negotiate is easier

He ain’t refusing poo poo

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1658854766544289800?s=46&t=6Q05E9cp_ar9ql-5Jy81HQ

Good luck, everyone.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

selec posted:

He ain’t refusing poo poo

Good luck, everyone.

https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1658855055892664329

Yeah, it really looks like he's caving. Whomst among us could have predicted?

Ither
Jan 30, 2010


I'm sorry but is there an article somewhere?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Ither posted:

I'm sorry but is there an article somewhere?

There is a briefing happening right now, will probably see articles this afternoon wrapping it up.

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

selec posted:

There is a briefing happening right now, will probably see articles this afternoon wrapping it up.

Ah, okay. Didn't know he was speaking now.

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004

cat botherer posted:

https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1658855055892664329

Yeah, it really looks like he's caving. Whomst among us could have predicted?

How is this leaving the door open for more work requirements? This looks like a wall more than a door.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/RyanMarino/status/1658617633468497920

Nothing in here we don't already know, but this is the first mainstream outlet I've seen do a story on how fentanyl cannot be inhaled or absorbed through the skin and it's just cops having panic attacks.

quote:

We also contacted numerous other law enforcement and government agencies, as well as researchers around the U.S.

We couldn't find a single case of a police officer who reported being poisoned by fentanyl or overdosing after encountering the street drug that was confirmed by toxicology reports.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent a statement to NPR saying the agency does believe some officers nationwide have experienced medical symptoms after encountering fentanyl. None of those cases involved actual overdoses and none appeared life-threatening.

"The health effects...were such that responders needed medical attention and could not continue performing their duties," said Dr. L Casey Chosewood with the CDC's National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

One 2021 case study cited by CDC of a police department in Ohio found common symptoms described by police included lightheadedness, palpitations, and nausea.

Del Pozo believes the real risk to police officers from street fentanyl isn't accidental overdose. He says the more serious health impact is being caused by anxiety and stress, driven by fear.

"Imagine you do a job every day where you just think being near a certain car or a certain person [who might have fentanyl] could kill you," Del Pozo said.

"It's a real mental health problem for officers. It's just not necessary to have that fear."

Del Pozo said many reported fentanyl overdoses among police involve symptoms that look more like panic attacks than opioid overdoses.

"So when an officer just at the thought of being exposed to fentanyl falls over, goes unconscious or panics, that's a health problem. That's something the officer needs help for."

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

God, gently caress this senile old rapist rear end in a top hat.

But hey, looks like he’s finally getting those entitlement cuts he’s wanted his entire career!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 16:55 on May 17, 2023

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Ither posted:

I'm sorry but is there an article somewhere?

Man it would be really interesting if the Reuters article said that...

Here is the article.

quote:

WORK REQUIREMENTS
Negotiations are continuing over the longevity of any deal, work requirements for aid programs for the poor, including food subsidies, and spending caps.

Asked on CNN if Biden wanted the debt limit agreement to last through 2025, White House spokesperson Karinne Jean-Pierre declined to answer.

She also did not give details on negotiations over expanding work requirements for the two programs that provide food and cash aid to low-income families, which Republicans want to see included as part of a deal.

In a statement, Jeffries said he was hopeful a bipartisan deal would be reached but that House Democrats would file a "discharge petition" in case it was needed to bypass regular chamber procedures to act on the debt limit and avoid a default.

McCarthy, whose fellow Republicans control the House, on CNBC defended conservatives' call for work requirements, saying they would help the economy and boost the workforce, and vowed to exclude any discussion of taxes.

Raising taxes on the wealthy and companies to help pay for programs for other Americans is a key part of Biden's 2024 budget, and the president on Tuesday said he was disappointed that Republicans will not consider ways to raise revenue.

But it didn't so...

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

Mooseontheloose posted:

Man it would be really interesting if the Reuters article said that...

Here is the article.

But it didn't so...

The article has been changed. It previously included a different description of statements from Hakeem Jeffries, not Biden, that may be what people are referencing. I still have it open on a tab in my phone, so I can retype how the relevant bit read a few hours ago.

quote:

She also did not give details on negotiations over expanding work requirements for the two programs that provide food and cash aid to low-income families, which Republicans want to see included as part of a deal.

"The Republican proposals - they want to cut healthcare, they want to increase poverty, and it's not going to save much money," she told CNN, adding that daily staff talks between both sides were expected to continue.

House Democratic leader Jeffries said it was "unreasonable" to include work requirements in any deal to pay debts the nation has already incurred but that they could be discussed as part of other legislation.

"I'm optimistic that common ground can be found in the next week or so," Jeffries said on CNBC.


McCarthy, whose fellow Republicans control the House, on CNBC defended conservatives' call for work requirements, saying they would help the economy and boost the workforce, and vowed to exclude any discussion of taxes.

e: I have no idea what may have happened during any briefing today, if that's what is being referenced instead.

eviltastic fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 17, 2023

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/RyanMarino/status/1658617633468497920

Nothing in here we don't already know, but this is the first mainstream outlet I've seen do a story on how fentanyl cannot be inhaled or absorbed through the skin and it's just cops having panic attacks.

Poor pigs, thought of fentanyl and died

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
And to think I assembled all these fentanyl grenades for nothing :/

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Professor Beetus posted:

Poor pigs, thought of fentanyl and died
if only

(also I thought about making the same joke lol)

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
There’s this Reuters article, headlined “Tighter work requirements for welfare programs on table in debt ceiling talks - sources”. The “sources” are “two people familiar with the negotiation,” not even attributed to anybody from the administration, which means it could easily be McCarthy or his aides trying to set a narrative. Pump the brakes a little on the outrage.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Here's the direct quote



Seems like Mr. Quintanilla intentionally misrepresented his position in order to get a bunch of outrage engagement.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

zoux posted:

Here's the direct quote



Seems like Mr. Quintanilla intentionally misrepresented his position in order to get a bunch of outrage engagement.

“Consequence” here is doing some heavy lifting. Consequential for who? Consequential to what degree? I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but Biden’s tragicomic history as a negotiator doesn’t give me an abundance of faith.

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy
Before something is committed to is the best point to be mad about it (if one believes that it's possible to influence politicians in any positive way). Let politicians know how angry people will be.

If not, no harm in being angry anyway.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

selec posted:

“Consequence” here is doing some heavy lifting. Consequential for who? Consequential to what degree? I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but Biden’s tragicomic history as a negotiator doesn’t give me an abundance of faith.

Well, a reasonable person would assume that "nothing of consequence" means nothing of consequence. It's a well understood turn of phrase, he's not speaking in code.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Adenoid Dan posted:

Before something is committed to is the best point to be mad about it (if one believes that it's possible to influence politicians in any positive way). Let politicians know how angry people will be.

If not, no harm in being angry anyway.

The harm in being angry is that you are angry. Angry isn’t a great way to be!

And I can’t speak for everyone, but I get really burnt out on engaging with political sat all from the anger and despair at things that actually happen, I do not need to have “outrage about things that were never actually on the table and only exist as misrepresentation by Twitter people” piled on top of that.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

There’s a term for people who get insanely angry at made up poo poo they see on the internet that exactly confirms their priors: boomers.

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy

The Lord of Hats posted:

The harm in being angry is that you are angry. Angry isn’t a great way to be!

And I can’t speak for everyone, but I get really burnt out on engaging with political sat all from the anger and despair at things that actually happen, I do not need to have “outrage about things that were never actually on the table and only exist as misrepresentation by Twitter people” piled on top of that.

Sure, I understand that, but being mad at a politician doesn't have to be a 24/7 thing.

I don't understand how people can engage with political content without being angry. Manage time spent thinking about politics instead, it's more realistic.

Edit: recognizing a pattern that has played out politically all your life isn't making things up or a boomer specific thing

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

zoux posted:

Here's the direct quote



Seems like Mr. Quintanilla intentionally misrepresented his position in order to get a bunch of outrage engagement.

Here's the video
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6327688703112

Mr Quintanilla was right

zoux
Apr 28, 2006




Literally the headline under the clip.

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA
just so y'know, imgur is not showing up at all now for a number of people so you might want to find a new host

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

the_steve posted:

And you're not seeing the contradiction here?

Both parties constantly change the rules to make sure that anyone saying what they don't want to hear can't get anywhere near a ballot, and will change the rules on the fly if they start getting too close (First example off the top of my head is suing to keep the Greens off the ballot in 2020 despite them gathering all of the necessary signatures and then some)
But then you say they can't be credible because they never manage to gain any traction on the greased incline.

How do you expect them to be electable when you're literally not allowed to vote for them?

But it's ok because it's disenfranchising a third party and the other two parties say they don't count because reasons.
Let the republicans pull this poo poo in a blue county, and it would suddenly be a problem that needs be addressed.

*laughs in Chicagoan*

The Democrats do this to each other all the time, and not just in Illinois (Barack Obama famously managed to run unopposed for state Senate in 1996 by knocking off all his Democratic primary opponents, including his mentor, via petition challenges). New York, Iowa, Indiana, Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, Michigan... And they do it to Republicans, who do it right back to both each other and everyone else. Turns out even the Green Party petition challenges its primary candidates (and not just of the perennial Nazi that likes to run under their banner).

Its a litmus test; if you're not cutthroat enough, if you're not well-versed enough in the rules of the game to even get on the ballot, you're going to get steamrolled in office by those who know the rules and how to use them to their advantage. Witness Ted Cruz getting owned repeatedly because his ego overrode his ability to understand how poo poo works, much to the irritation of his colleagues.

Whining about how the rules are stacked against you and you just can't win isn't going to accomplish anything but making you feel better about yourself and your powerlessness. Its an excuse, especially when there's 18 members of the Chicago Progressive Caucus (including six Socialists) on the City Council and progressives like Brandon Johnson are managing to win against Dem establishment candidates in even notorious old corrupt Dem machine-controlled Chicago.

Stop making excuses.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Adenoid Dan posted:

Sure, I understand that, but being mad at a politician doesn't have to be a 24/7 thing.

I don't understand how people can engage with political content without being angry. Manage time spent thinking about politics instead, it's more realistic.

Edit: recognizing a pattern that has played out politically all your life isn't making things up or a boomer specific thing

Getting mad at things that aren't actually happening because it would confirm your prior beliefs about who you should be mad at makes you actively worse at recognizing patterns though. Even if it actually does happen in the future you will have surrendered your ability to tell a real threat from another nothing whispering campaign. That's not a boomer-specific thing but boy howdy have they as a generation mastered it.

Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

That's a Spicy Meatball

Pillbug

World Famous W posted:

just so y'know, imgur is not showing up at all now for a number of people so you might want to find a new host

They were going to set it up so you need to have an account for your images to be still hosted, and people who don't have an account will have their images deleted.

That might have started

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Meatball posted:

They were going to set it up so you need to have an account for your images to be still hosted, and people who don't have an account will have their images deleted.

That might have started

Beyond that, some sort of unclear throttling is occurring, even with images attached to an account.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Killer robot posted:

Getting mad at things that aren't actually happening because it would confirm your prior beliefs about who you should be mad at makes you actively worse at recognizing patterns though. Even if it actually does happen in the future you will have surrendered your ability to tell a real threat from another nothing whispering campaign. That's not a boomer-specific thing but boy howdy have they as a generation mastered it.

It's important to cultivate a mindset where the more something confirms your priors the more skeptical of it you are. If something sounds too good to be true, if it perfectly confirms everything you already think about the world and the nature of it, there's probably mitigating context. It takes some time to look for secondary sources to corroborate and sometimes you even have to click and read an article because the whole point of headlines and tweets are to make you so mad or so scared about something that you click on the article.

https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1658842457474310150

Nice to see that women can fail upward these days

TheGreyGhost
Feb 14, 2012

“Go win the Heimlich Trophy!”

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1658834119847997440

That's right! And don't let anyone forget it! Trumpet this from the rooftops!

https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1658813871774105600

Fact check: True! Say you would sign a six-week federal ban on abortion Mr. Trump!

This is weird considering he was on background as understanding this was utterly radioactive for the GOP within the last 6-7 months. Maybe he’s just trying to crush a primary again, but it’s abnormal to see him fight his own instinct on this. He’s going to do the state-level regulation dodge, but all that means is Dems can pick whatever horrible red state they want and say “this is what that means in effect”.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

zoux posted:



https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1658842457474310150

Nice to see that women can fail upward these days

It’s only a failure if you don’t understand the incentive structure she’s operating under. She did a great job, it’s just that it’s not the job you wish it was. She’s really good at her job.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

TheGreyGhost posted:

This is weird considering he was on background as understanding this was utterly radioactive for the GOP within the last 6-7 months. Maybe he’s just trying to crush a primary again, but it’s abnormal to see him fight his own instinct on this. He’s going to do the state-level regulation dodge, but all that means is Dems can pick whatever horrible red state they want and say “this is what that means in effect”.

His instinct is "kill anyone who says bad things about me" and since that's DeSantis, he's going after poo poo in DeSantis' lane. He's not a calculating operator, he has a sort of low cunning, but mostly he just yells about what he's mad about.

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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selec posted:

It’s only a failure if you don’t understand the incentive structure she’s operating under. She did a great job, it’s just that it’s not the job you wish it was. She’s really good at her job.
I 100% believe that she was told some version of ‘if you don’t embarrass us too much at the Trump town hall you get this job’.

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