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FlamingLiberal posted:I 100% believe that she was told some version of ‘if you don’t embarrass us too much at the Trump town hall you get this job’. She’s a reactionary who used to tweet homophobic slurs and worked for the Daily Caller. She’s perfect for CNN.
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Discendo Vox posted:Beyond that, some sort of unclear throttling is occurring, even with images attached to an account. I'm kinda ambivalent to forever data or the supposed lost of some dank image macros/fads, but its kinda dumb the internet in general cant remember/learn the lesson that image hosting sites are/will always self vaporize themselves because they need to be a profit making biz somehow
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It sounds like the lack of faith in Biden’s negotiating tactics is coming from inside the beltway, and inside the party; hard to describe this as probable GOP talking points:quote:A group of Senate Democrats is circulating a letter urging President Biden to prepare to invoke the 14th Amendment to unilaterally resolve the debt ceiling standoff without involving Congress, according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post ahead of its release. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/17/debt-ceiling-democrats-discharge-petition/ Smith, Warren, Markey, Sanders, and Merkley all signed so far, with more to come. Feels like an end-run around potentially disastrous concessions. If I were a White House negotiator right now I’d be supremely pissed.
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May 17, 2023 19:14
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zoux posted:
How did she "fail" at what I'm assuming was the town hall with Trump? She did everything possible to challenge his version of events & hold him accountable. What would you suggest she might have done differently? eta the transcript for the town hall. etaa Please let me know if you were talking about something other than the town hall. 
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May 17, 2023 19:22
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selec posted:It sounds like the lack of faith in Biden’s negotiating tactics is coming from inside the beltway, and inside the party; hard to describe this as probable GOP talking points:
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May 17, 2023 19:26
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zoux posted:Well, a reasonable person would assume that "nothing of consequence" means nothing of consequence. It's a well understood turn of phrase, he's not speaking in code. Weasel words are sometimes used to obfuscate the truth of a statement, or avoid giving any specifics that could later be shown false. Kind of like "White House sources say..." which others ITT (correctly) pointed out is a weaselly way of saying "I pulled this out of my rear end". Likewise, if Biden wanted to say that there would be no work requirements, he could just say that without appending "at least nothing of consequence". But making an objective, verifiable statement like that could come back to bite him if he did eventually cave, so he has to append a nebulous, subjective qualifier to it. It's not code, but it is weaselly. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 19:34 on May 17, 2023 |
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May 17, 2023 19:32
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Willa Rogers posted:How did she "fail" at what I'm assuming was the town hall with Trump? She did everything possible to challenge his version of events & hold him accountable. did you miss the part where he utterly destroyed her?
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May 17, 2023 20:12
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pencilhands posted:did you miss the part where he utterly destroyed her? He bulldozed her, correct. But, given the transcript, what do you think she could have done differently? Or what do you think a non-"fail" moderator could have done differently?
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May 17, 2023 20:16
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Fox is reportedly making major changes to its primetime lineup, moving Hannity into Tucker's old slot. There is no mention of Laura Ingraham anywhere so there's a lot of unverified speculation that she's gone. Seems like this is mostly sourced from Drudge so factor that in.
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May 17, 2023 20:23
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Willa Rogers posted:He bulldozed her, correct. But, given the transcript, what do you think she could have done differently? Or what do you think a non-"fail" moderator could have done differently? not been stumped by the trump
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Willa Rogers posted:How did she "fail" at what I'm assuming was the town hall with Trump? She did everything possible to challenge his version of events & hold him accountable. If the goal was to provide a facsimile of challenge which Trump could berate and ride roughshod over to prove what a big strong boy he was, she did great. If the goal was anything else, the entire event was a mistake from its inception and there was no way for her to "succeed" regardless of what she did.
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I think the event was a failure from inception but I can't blame her for it because she was essentially the lone voice of reason in the room, including her own management. Maybe it was staged but honestly I won't watch her show either way because cable is dying.
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Morrow posted:I think the event was a failure from inception but I can't blame her for it because she was essentially the lone voice of reason in the room, including her own management. Maybe it was staged but honestly I won't watch her show either way because cable is dying. I mean all CNN was chasing ratings and clicks and probably got what they needed out of it.
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May 17, 2023 20:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If the goal was to provide a facsimile of challenge which Trump could berate and ride roughshod over to prove what a big strong boy he was, she did great. My question was: What could she have done differently? Zoux called her promotion as "failing upward" but I questioned how she, personally, failed her mission. (And again: Please correct me, Zoux, if you meant something else when you referred to her "fail.") I understand that he bullied her, as I said, but I watched it as it aired, and I also scanned the transcript after Zoux posted, and couldn't really find anything that was her fault. The "entire event being a mistake" can't be laid on her lap, and I simply don't understand what the "fail" was on her part.
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May 17, 2023 20:48
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She definitely failed. It's not like she could have succeeded - what is she gonna do, cut his mic? Trump would never have attended if so. But that's irrelevant; noone forced her to take the job, and she had to have known how it would go down.
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May 17, 2023 20:55
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Willa Rogers posted:My question was: What could she have done differently? I agree that she did not "Fail upward." She took a fall, but you don't criticize a wrestling heel for losing to the face. She did her job as assigned and didn't break kayfabe. If you view her as a journalist then she arguably had a responsibility to not participate in such an event, given that it was doomed to be exactly what it was. But one could say the same about CNN as a network. What they both could have done differently was refuse to participate in any television production that gave Trump airtime, period. If she'd done that though she wouldn't have gotten this promotion. Morality and capitalism don't mix. I don't know. My perspective is that there's no moral conversation to be had with Trump at this point that doesn't take place after Miranda warnings.
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May 17, 2023 21:01
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean all CNN was chasing ratings and clicks and probably got what they needed out of it. They got very low ratings for what it was, it has been widely criticized, and now you have CNN primetime in 4th place behind Newsmax. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I agree that she did not "Fail upward." She took a fall, but you don't criticize a wrestling heel for losing to the face. She did her job as assigned and didn't break kayfabe. Working for the Daily Caller indicates that she does not have journalistic ethics that are compatible with a free press in a democratic society.
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May 17, 2023 21:02
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zoux posted:They got very low ratings for what it was, it has been widely criticized, and now you have CNN primetime in 4th place behind Newsmax. I'm not sure America still has a journalism industry compatible with a free press and a democratic society. All the local papers have gotten bought up by vulture capitalists and all the national media are going the same route; look what Elon's doing to twitter.
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I think that characterization is overbroad but I take your point.
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zoux posted:I think that characterization is overbroad but I take your point. yeah, I mean, I don't want to be doomposting here but we shouldn't be expecting the magical free market in journalism to save us by Finding the Truth and then somehow We Got Him and Trump is over and everyone goes and votes for Bernie. It doesn't work like that. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:20 on May 17, 2023 |
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Ultra-conservative Colorado Springs just elected an independent liberal and West African immigrant for mayorquote:Political newcomer Yemi Mobolade captured the Colorado Springs mayor's seat on Tuesday, May 16, by a stunning margin of 14 percent (57.47 to 42.53), handing long-time politician Wayne Williams the second defeat of his more than two decade career. Pretty good news considering the first round of the election had some absolute psychos running, including literal nazi militia nuts. He's still a liberal though, his promise to fully fund the police department is obviously bad and he has apparently engaged in union busting at one of his previous businesses. But still the best outcome for this election, and a genuine surprise.
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How do you even get a victory over Donald Trump without the story ending, "And then he dropped dead."?
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Star Man posted:How do you even get a victory over Donald Trump without the story ending, "And then he dropped dead."? It's hard to tell because we're in the middle of it and everyone is scared that uttering it will make it untrue or that the people that confuse cynicism for wisdom will dogpile them over it but when Lindsay Graham said that nominating Trump in '16 would destroy the Republican party, he was correct. For one example: see the post above yours.
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Star Man posted:How do you even get a victory over Donald Trump without the story ending, "And then he dropped dead."? It's crucial to remember he still lost his re-election after a few decades of Presidents consistently running 2 terms. There's a lot to be concerned about, he MUST lose again, but no one is invincible.
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People seem to think that Donald Trump winning a black swan election by 10,000 votes across a few key states against a terrible candidate the right had spent 20 years making into the Antichrist makes him an unstoppable juggernaut. Because everyone was "there's no way he can win" in '16 and then he won an election he loses 99 times out of 100, that everything we know is wrong, but the man lost the popular vote by 5+ million twice and got utterly rinsed by Joe Biden in his reelection campaign. Since Dobbs (really since Trump came into office) Republicans have lost or underperformed expectations from the Jacksonville mayoral race to the Michigan governor's race. Dobbs is going to be an absolute millstone around Republicans' neck as long as there are no federally guaranteed reproductive rights, and the big boy political genius is, instead of shrewdly ducking the question, taking every chance to scream at the top of his lungs "I DID THE UNPOPULAR THING! I OWN IT". He was an unknown quantity in '16, people thought he was a moderate, they voted for him because it was funny and hell, there's no way he's going to win right? Now he is a known as gently caress quantity and we just saw a midterm in which not only did every Trumplord candidate lose, but they ran behind other "regular" republicans. The GOP party is in the thrall of Trump because he has an iron grip on a large bloc of Republican primary voters. Besides them, he's the most hated man in America. e: oh and he's going to be under multiple indictments by the time '24 rolls around zoux fucked around with this message at 21:50 on May 17, 2023 |
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selec posted:It sounds like the lack of faith in Biden’s negotiating tactics is coming from inside the beltway, and inside the party; hard to describe this as probable GOP talking points: Is this a lack of faith in Biden's negotiating tactics, or is it part of his negotiating tactics? There doesn't seem to be any word about the motives from those five senators yet, but the article managed to get two unidentified sources to describe the corresponding House effort (a discharge petition aimed at getting a bill onto the House floor without McCarthy's cooperation) as a move by "Democratic leaders" to "keep the pressure on moderate Republicans".
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:She definitely failed. It's not like she could have succeeded - what is she gonna do, cut his mic? This is important. Obviously she's a bigoted piece of poo poo and not a good person, but nobody wins an interview with Trump. He has no shame and never admits he's wrong. You can barely get him to stutter, he's absolutely ready with bullshit no matter what you say and doesn't hesitate. If you have him cornered he will literally call you names like a child would. He spews an unending word salad of idiocy. Many much better interviewers have tried, and come prepared with receipts. The literal best performance anyone ever gave having him walk off 60 minutes.
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zoux posted:His instinct is "kill anyone who says bad things about me" and since that's DeSantis, he's going after poo poo in DeSantis' lane. He's not a calculating operator, he has a sort of low cunning, but mostly he just yells about what he's mad about. He's also real big on receiving credit for every and any god damned thing under the sun. IN all of human history, in record time and like no one has ever seen where many people are saying. Anything that happens to anyone ever is due to Trump. Unless it's a fuckup and then it was a coffee boy who at one point was one of the best and brightest greatest individuals. Right now, people are cheering for Dobbs at his town hall and poo poo so... Also, Trump can definitely win again. I have no doubt. Not saying he will, of course, but he can.
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Good. Keep drilling. Biden inked the circles and underlines, not me
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Orthanc6 posted:It's crucial to remember he still lost his re-election after a few decades of Presidents consistently running 2 terms. There's a lot to be concerned about, he MUST lose again, but no one is invincible. The standard argument against that is "Trump still only lost because of covid" but he lost by pretty much what 2019 head-to-heads against Biden said he would. The argument also also leaves out that in most of the world 2020 was very good for right-wing authoritarians seeking reelection, even ones that botched covid response.
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nm, don't want to get probated again for asking a question.
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zoux posted:People seem to think that Donald Trump winning a black swan election by 10,000 votes across a few key states against a terrible candidate the right had spent 20 years making into the Antichrist makes him an unstoppable juggernaut. He won 2016 by about 80000 votes across 3 states. He lost 2020 by about 50000 across 3 states. And 2020 had a lot more voters. If anything, 2020 looks like more of a black swan event considering the parties have been switching after a 2 term president each for several cycles.
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koolkal posted:He won 2016 by about 80000 votes across 3 states. He lost 2020 by about 50000 across 3 states. And 2020 had a lot more voters. If anything, 2020 looks like more of a black swan event considering the parties have been switching after a 2 term president each for several cycles. Biden won more states than Clinton and even if you take it as PA, Georgia, and AZ it's over 100,000 votes. And Biden had more voters than Trump. edit: Also, Biden won 51% of the vote. Trump lost the popular vote both times.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Biden won more states than Clinton and even if you take it as PA, Georgia, and AZ it's over 100,000 votes. And Biden had more voters than Trump. Yes, I would assume the winner of an election would win more states than the loser of one? WI was +20000 Biden, AZ was +11000 Biden, GA was +22000 Biden. If all 3 of those had swung to Trump, Trump would have won the election. 2020 was a closer election and more of an outlier by pretty much every metric besides lovely pre-election polling. Calling Trump's 2016 win an outlier and "black swan" is bizarre and doesn't match up with any reality beyond "vibes."
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For a lot of people, what makes Trump so scandalous is that he doesn't use the dogwhistle, and that's why anti-Trumpers keep coping and convincing themselves that he's some unique threat when in all reality, he hasn't done anything that any other Republican president wouldn't do if they were president. They'd just be quiet about it and not interrupt brunch by being a boor about it.
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koolkal posted:Yes, I would assume the winner of an election would win more states than the loser of one? You'd think this, but it is entirely possible in our system that one party wins only 11 states and takes the election: California Texas Florida New York Illinois Pennsylvania Ohio Georgia, North Carolina Michigan New Jersey (or, really, any state with 4+ EVs) This will give you over 270 EVs. Note that this is possible, not at all likely. It just shows how hosed up and stupid the electoral college is.
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Zamujasa posted:You'd think this, but it is entirely possible in our system that one party wins only 11 states and takes the election: Hello, I'm the politician who won California, Illinois, Texas, and Florida, ushered in the one-party federal government, and won a culture victory on turn 200. AMA
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Name Change posted:Hello, I'm the politician who won California, Illinois, Texas, and Florida, ushered in the one-party federal government, and won a culture victory on turn 200. AMA What’s your opening move?
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Zamujasa posted:You'd think this, but it is entirely possible in our system that one party wins only 11 states and takes the election: these 11 states do amount to more than half the population of the united states imo the number of states won should be irrelevant anyways. win more than half of people, win election gently caress I think I'd rather have the president, senators and reps all be chosen by the lottery system
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Name Change posted:Hello, I'm the politician who won California, Illinois, Texas, and Florida, ushered in the one-party federal government, and won a culture victory on turn 200. AMA I even specifically pointed out that possible does not mean likely, but ok.
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