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For a while in SWG I was a Master Musician and BH/pistoleer just because loving around in cantinas then hunting things with a scatter pistol was fun. Wasn't optimal or one of the OP builds but it was certainly memorable. I remember going on a hunt with some rangers on Lok and playing songs for them around the campfire as the sun went down. Never had moments like that in a theme park mmo.
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It's worth remembering that the SWG that got shut down was the post-NGE version of the game, a significant revamp which the community largely considered to have irreparably ruined the game. Usually when you hear people wax nostalgic about SWG, it was the pre-NGE version of the game.
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May 16, 2023 16:20
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Someone will eventually make a SWG style MMO with Stardew Valley/Harvest Moon type mechanics and make a zillion dollars
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May 16, 2023 16:31
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the most vibrant and lively places I've seen in FFXIV were player housing dance venues, they always have a fun anachronistic tone from the mix of people in modern casual wear and full plate, sometimes both at once
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May 16, 2023 16:36
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Let us not forget the weird real life ERP sex bill board of FFXIV
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May 16, 2023 16:41
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Cool Dad posted:Someone will eventually make a SWG style MMO with Stardew Valley/Harvest Moon type mechanics and make a zillion dollars They tried with Archeage and it just turned the game into a capitalist hellscape of haves and have-nots depending on if you were able to get a private plot of land. You could instance a farm for everyone but at that point it just becomes Stardew Valley with a market board for selling crops.
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Cutedge posted:SOE desperately tried to get Lucasarts to let them keep running SWG. They delayed the announcement of the sunset at the last minute to make one last plea but LA just wasn't interested. SWG was pretty dead at that point, but it only takes 67 thousand subscribers to make a million dollars a month when they are paying $14.99 apiece. I would play a hobbit farmer. I'm still hopeful about Palia which only offers farming and no hobbits. CuddleCryptid posted:
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May 16, 2023 17:56
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Stardew Valley / UO / Archeage hybrid
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Third World Reagan posted:Let us not forget the weird real life ERP sex bill board of FFXIV Haha yeah lol gross which one tho Which one
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jokes posted:Haha yeah lol gross which one tho There was only one ERP club bill board, but you can't swing a moogle on Balmung or Mateus without hitting someone who's down to bone.
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Hra Mormo posted:It's worth remembering that the SWG that got shut down was the post-NGE version of the game, a significant revamp which the community largely considered to have irreparably ruined the game. Usually when you hear people wax nostalgic about SWG, it was the pre-NGE version of the game. I watched some video awhile back about the history of SWG and I was surprised how short the game's "golden age" was.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I watched some video awhile back about the history of SWG and I was surprised how short the game's "golden age" was. It had the misfortune of being released barely a year before WoW completely obliterated the MMO market and even then it released with unfinished features. Unfortunately once WoW blew up instead of improving their own systems they decided that hotbars were the way and then everything went berserk. That and LucasArts' unwillingness to let them be flexible with the setting and mechanics in ways that would benefit the game, making the Jedi stuff a total clusterfuck.
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I do think the only way it could've been handled was to not let players be it, which is still a lovely situation since a large portion of star wars fans want their lightsaber and they want to be overpowered compared to all the stupid stormtroopers. IT's such a hard setting to do in that style of mmo. Lucas Arts demanding they make Jedi playable was absolutely one of the worst parts of it.
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I hope they make a new Star Wars MMO where anyone can be a jedi, but you can only become one by passing a very difficult skill-based minigame.
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They're going to make a star wars MMO but you can only be a jedi if you pay $20/mo
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Eimi posted:I do think the only way it could've been handled was to not let players be it, which is still a lovely situation since a large portion of star wars fans want their lightsaber and they want to be overpowered compared to all the stupid stormtroopers. IT's such a hard setting to do in that style of mmo. Lucas Arts demanding they make Jedi playable was absolutely one of the worst parts of it. I will go to the mat over the idea that the best star wars media has no jedi in it so take this as the biased opinion that it is but there really is nothing wrong with an mmo that exclusively focuses on the 99.9999% of the galaxy that isn't a jedi, or a mandalorian, or any of the other OP groups. *Especially* in a player run economy. There's a ton of universe to be found outside the jedi if you read the extended universe materials, but I get your point that most people want the whoosh whoosh lightsaber "love is evil because it can lead to hate shut the gently caress up you bipedal frog" jedi stuff.
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The problem with a mainstream property is that the huge audience you get with it only engages with the property on a very surface level. They don't give a poo poo about all the extended universe crap or the intricate corners of the lore. They want to be a Jedi or a ringbearer or a Griffindor (or Ravenclaw) at Hogwarts or whatever the hot poo poo is in the mainstream media for that property. There will be people who want to be a random droid mechanic or whatever, but not in the kind of numbers you're looking to attract with a huge license. If we ever get another SWG-type game I'd expect it to be a new or minor IP and fairly budget.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I will go to the mat over the idea that the best star wars media has no jedi in it so take this as the biased opinion that it is but there really is nothing wrong with an mmo that exclusively focuses on the 99.9999% of the galaxy that isn't a jedi, or a mandalorian, or any of the other OP groups. *Especially* in a player run economy. Yep. Andor is the best Star Wars thing they have done in a while, and that has no Jedi in it. SWG was way better in the early days when only a small number of Jedi existed. I still prefer the no jedi option though...
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Phigs posted:If we ever get another SWG-type game I'd expect it to be a new or minor IP and fairly budget. Imo you just won't get anything like it again. Player run economies sound great until the economy crashes, as New World discovered over and over again. I've played several smaller mmos that try to do the same thing SWG did over the years and they just really can't get it to work because it lacks a core for everyone to gather around, like the star wars brand gave SWG. EVE is probably the closest you're going to get and that really doesn't allow for specialization outside of the broad "classes" of players like "miner" or "explorer". I also think that there aren't many devs out there that would have the stones to build a game where a completely non-combat role can be your entire existence. E. Thinking about it again, the closest you will probably find to SWG nowadays is good old Runescape. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 16:11 on May 17, 2023 |
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Admittedly I've never played SWG but it seems that this is a really nice summary of how it went down. How Jedi Killed Star Wars Galaxies
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jokes posted:They're going to make a star wars MMO but you can only be a jedi if you pay $20/mo I can see it now: World of Star Warscraft, the new free-to-play Star Wars MMO from EA Games! Play as your favorite characters* from the Star Wars universe! * GNK Power Droid class available to free-to-play players, other classes available with the purchase of monthly EA Battlepass
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kedo posted:I can see it now: World of Star Warscraft, the new free-to-play Star Wars MMO from EA Games! Play as your favorite characters* from the Star Wars universe! Tie the jedi to completing the battle pass, but only show the rewards of 20 levels at a time. After a year of grinding the poopsockers finally realize that the battlepass has an infinite number of levels.
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Mr. Neutron posted:Admittedly I've never played SWG but it seems that this is a really nice summary of how it went down. can confirm this is a good video There are a bunch of really good SWG post-mortem blog posts by creative director Raph Koster, here's the Jedi one: https://www.raphkoster.com/2015/04/16/a-jedi-saga/
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The only good thing to come out of SWG Jedi was all the speculation on the forums on how to unlock it. If I recall there were some wild theories before the holocrons were discovered.
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I just want original classic Star Wars Galaxies, on a modern next-gen graphics engine, and no Jedi.
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CuddleCryptid posted:It had the misfortune of being released barely a year before WoW completely obliterated the MMO market and even then it released with unfinished features. Unfortunately once WoW blew up instead of improving their own systems they decided that hotbars were the way and then everything went berserk. That and LucasArts' unwillingness to let them be flexible with the setting and mechanics in ways that would benefit the game, making the Jedi stuff a total clusterfuck. I had always assumed that the cool-sounding broken rear end game had lasted until the NGE but it was like six months until the Combat Upgrade.
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I said come in! posted:I just want original classic Star Wars Galaxies, on a modern next-gen graphics engine, and no Jedi.
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Revisiting a thought I had long ago about SWG Jedi and while, as best I remember how it worked, the time+lottery thing was okay, we know anymore that the best thing they could have done with Jedi is just have them be Devs and Community Managers with some gameplay/roleplay freedom.
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it's funny how the jedi are the worst part of almost every starwar
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Truga posted:it's funny how the jedi are the worst part of almost every starwar That's sith talk
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that's bullshit, sith are just dark jedi no war but class war etc
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Truga posted:it's funny how the jedi are the worst part of almost every starwar
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Cardboard Fox posted:Yep. Andor is the best Star Wars thing they have done in a while, and that has no Jedi in it. Rogue One and Andor are the best Starwars they ever made and they have no Jedi in them
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even Kyle Katarn was more fun as a gunslinging merc with an axe to grind against the empire
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i'm playing through jedi knight 2 in vr and it's so good lightsabers actually work great in that lmao
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Groovelord Neato posted:I had always assumed that the cool-sounding broken rear end game had lasted until the NGE but it was like six months until the Combat Upgrade.  the way it is mythologized I thought it was several years before it changed but after reading into the history I was shocked how quickly everything went to poo poo. Playing that game must have been a trip, since who knows what's even good anymore when the fundamental systems change every other week.That being said, it makes issues like "one armor type was clearly better than everything else all the time" less egregious in hindsight because it turns out it was an issue for like two months before they completely changed things anyways.
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i want a cyberpunk-themed mmo where i can run a noodle cart where players eat my noodles in the rain while on the hunt for renegade androids
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blatman posted:i want a cyberpunk-themed mmo where i can run a noodle cart where players eat my noodles in the rain while on the hunt for renegade androids gimme four... and noodles!
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blatman posted:i want a cyberpunk-themed mmo where i can run a noodle cart where players eat my noodles in the rain while on the hunt for renegade androids My guild specializes in protection services. For a small fee, we'll make sure no one on the server messes with your noodle stand. Cardboard Fox fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 18, 2023 |
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