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Russia stans have all the evidence they need that Patriot is 100% destroyed and in tiny bits and pieces. https://twitter.com/_Surovikin_/status/1659309252492574720?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HvAuIi02AE&t=74s
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I gotta wonder if they're getting US assistance on these to make sure they land with the terminally online western audience https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1659228602104270849?s=20 because they're good
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May 19, 2023 01:48
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pmchem posted:because they're good To me that's evidence that they are not getting assistance. Any ad designed by one of those contractors is garbage. Ask yourself, do any of the great posters post by committee?
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May 19, 2023 01:53
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Ukrainians have always been legendary poo poo posters.
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May 19, 2023 01:59
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The way this war is being fought, even somewhat by the Russians, is related to the WWII terror bombing in that it demonstrated the need for precision weapons. Not to excuse LeMay or McNamara or Bomber Harris in anyway but with the tools they had, three hour long trains of bombers with a 500 meter CEP, there wasn’t a lot of options. Either don’t hit those targets, hit those targets by flying low altitude daylight raids and have your forces crippled by the defenders or fly high altitude and be indiscriminate. Precision weapons (and stealth aircraft) give the target planners the capability to hit critical targets in populated areas and minimize casualties. At least in theory as we’ve seen that imprecise precision weapons still manage to cause a lot of collateral damage.
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May 19, 2023 02:15
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Vladimir the Vincible has a certain ring to it that will look well in the history books.
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May 19, 2023 02:16
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1) publish an article saying "the people" are calling him Vladimir the Vincible. 2) Add it to the wiki page as a known sobriquet. 3) fight the war with the wiki editors 4) once mainstream news picks up on it cite them using it as more evidence
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May 19, 2023 02:20
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mlmp08 posted:Russia stans have all the evidence they need that Patriot is 100% destroyed and in tiny bits and pieces. Those launcher boxes are disposable, so those cover plates are evidence of nothing other than a missile being fired.
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May 19, 2023 03:55
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A.o.D. posted:Those launcher boxes are disposable, so those cover plates are evidence of nothing other than a missile being fired. That is my point, yeah. They’re gloating over the quasi-sabot components and the expended canister cover dunnage being on the ground after launches.
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May 19, 2023 03:58
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mlmp08 posted:That is my point, yeah. They’re gloating over the quasi-sabot components and the expended canister cover dunnage being on the ground after launches. Glorious Russian system not so wasteful. It burn up everything, including operator!
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May 19, 2023 04:01
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Gaius Marius posted:Ukrainians have always been legendary poo poo posters. their shitposting was so powerful 400 years ago that a painting of it made two hundred years later remains popular today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks
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shame on an IGA posted:their shitposting was so powerful 400 years ago that a painting of it made two hundred years later remains popular today Yesssssssssss I knew what this was gonna be
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shame on an IGA posted:their shitposting was so powerful 400 years ago that a painting of it made two hundred years later remains popular today Knew what it was, clicked anyway. 
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May 19, 2023 05:11
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shame on an IGA posted:their shitposting was so powerful 400 years ago that a painting of it made two hundred years later remains popular today LMAO find the pic of the UA dudes recreation please I'm begging
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May 19, 2023 06:22
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Wasabi the J posted:LMAO find the pic of the UA dudes recreation please I'm begging I need to see that picture. Meanwhile, have the Peter Capaldi's reading of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTlT8-qYUk The guy reading the Sultan's part has some pro reactions to Capaldi.
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Wasabi the J posted:LMAO find the pic of the UA dudes recreation please I'm begging 
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Enjoy it for what it is, just keep in mind that's Azov Battalion when it was at it's most problematic.
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Isn't most of the "Azov are nazis" stuff basically just targeted russian agitprop because Azov humiliated Russia at Mariupol?
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Fivemarks posted:Isn't most of the "Azov are nazis" stuff basically just targeted russian agitprop because Azov humiliated Russia at Mariupol? Pretty hard to quantify "most" in that, especially since they're still running around with actual nazi symbols and stuff.
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Fivemarks posted:Isn't most of the "Azov are nazis" stuff basically just targeted russian agitprop because Azov humiliated Russia at Mariupol? Pre-Mariupol Azov had a whole lot of Nazis in it. Then they were mostly killed.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Pre-Mariupol Azov had a whole lot of Nazis in it. Then they were mostly killed. My impression was that removing a lot of the Nazi parts happened well before 2022, when they got properly integrated into Ukraine's armed forces between 2014-2022 rather than being an independent paramilitary squad. But I also feel like we're not going to get any clear information on it for a while as long as there are a lot of people who have an interest in pushing either "Azov was never that bad, you can support Ukraine without worrying about it" or "Azov was always 100% nazis, which is a proof that all Ukrainians are 100% nazis, thus you should never support Ukraine." when the truth on that point is likely somewhere in the middle and, most importantly, should not stop anyone supporting Ukraine. Wikipedia posted:In 2017, according to Foreign Affairs magazine, "After the union [with the National Guard], the government's first act was to root out two groups within Azov, foreign fighters and neo-Nazis, by vetting group members with background checks, observations during training, and a law requiring all fighters to accept Ukrainian citizenship. Fighters who did not pass this screening were offered the chance to join civilian volunteer corps to help the war effort; these corps assisted police, cleared snow (a crucial task in Ukraine), and even worked on a public radio."
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Neonazis clearing snow I consider harmless, but them "helping" the police or doing radio broadcasts seems problematic
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Near as I can tell, Azov started out run by right-wing neo-Nazis, but after 2014, these people largely left or were pushed out as Azov was 'nationalized' into the armed forces. There's probably still a number of Azov soldiers with neo-Nazi beliefs (the patches keep turning up) but then again, there's neo-Nazis scattered all over the armed forces in region so I don't know if Azov has more than you'd randomly see in equivalent Ukranian or Russian units. Personally, I would say the most generally concerning issue is the ongoing respect Ukrainians have for Bandera (and OUN) as a nationalist icon, where they gloss over or just ignore the collaboration with Nazi Germany. But if the Poles can overlook it, I guess it's not a huge issue nowadays? I'm not from EE - skeletons in closets all over.
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Fivemarks posted:Isn't most of the "Azov are nazis" stuff basically just targeted russian agitprop because Azov humiliated Russia at Mariupol? In 2014, at the war's start, Ukraine had recruiting, equipment, and financial crises. Azov Battalion was an out and proud name for the gang of neo-nazis signing up to fight. They had no qualms with their hitler-tattoos or talks of white supremacy. They weren't trying to hide it or anything like that. Now, what did make them remarkable compared to lots of other European nazis is that they were willing to fight, and die, and get financed to do so, instead of just beating immigrants on the streets. That was pretty outstanding during that time when Ukrainian Armed Forces struggled to get quality troops. Azov's reputation also enabled them to recruit foreigners who brought more skill to the game. It was an out-and-proud neo-nazi paramilitary militia, but it was a pretty decent one (Fighting ability) as far as they go. It was forcibly integrated with the Ukrainian National Guard in late 2014. Eventually the whole nazi-thing became a crutch, and lots of American and EU help became conditioned on removing Azov-connections or preventing them from getting help. To accomplish this, the National Guard used it's power, as it was its unit now, to remove controversial officers and the loudest nazis out of it to clean the image. When some units were running during the War in Donbass, Azov was literally publishing their PT-uniforms for training:  It's not any kind of defence of Nazism or neonazism to acknowledge that the idea of getting rid of the Azov Battalion was not a very militarily sound one during that early part. Anyway, it gets hazier in my knowledge from there on out, but during this new larger part of the war, Azov units are all around, and in no way part of some neonazi club with a sinister world agenda. Are there nazis in there? drat right there's some mixed in. Is the history of the unit squeaky clean? Nope. But today it is a pretty bog standard higher tier fighting unit and people don't sign up to because they are nazis, they sign up because it's a way to make sure they get great gear, good training, and veterans to lead them. There's multiple Azov-border guard units, Azov infiltration, Azov military intelligence units, et cetera. "Azov" is becoming a term like "Jäger" to designate a certain heritage or type of training. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 17:19 on May 19, 2023 |
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If I remember correctly, in the beginning Ukraine only had about 5000 reliable fighters total in 2014. In those desperate times, they couldn't afford to turn down any help, no matter who it was. Times have changed since then.
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Russia also killed most of them, which, in the long run, won't help with the neo-Nazi thing at all!
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Rust Martialis posted:Personally, I would say the most generally concerning issue is the ongoing respect Ukrainians have for Bandera (and OUN) as a nationalist icon, where they gloss over or just ignore the collaboration with Nazi Germany. But if the Poles can overlook it, I guess it's not a huge issue nowadays? I'm not from EE - skeletons in closets all over. A lot of that is really a matter of what you choose to emphasise. Just about all the American founding fathers were racist, owned slaves, genocided indigenous populations etc, but that's not the reason they have statues and streets named after them. Ukrainians don't have Bandera statues because he hated Jews and worked with the Nazis, other attributes are emphasised. I don't think it's a great idea to have those monuments and I'm not a fan of Bandera, but it's not completely different from Georgia and Russia having a bunch of Stalin monuments all over, or the US naming every street they can after some racist old slave owner.
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The neo-Nazi who founded Azov is still running around taking credit for their stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Biletsky Every so often someone turns up for an interview with an ~~unfortunate~~ visible tattoo or patch, but it's nowhere near as endemic as Russian propaganda likes to portray. There's still a lot of de-nazification left to do, though. It's also worth noting that the Russian definition of Nazi is not the commonly held definition, but for Russians means "anti-Russian", which is why their media can scream about "Ukro-nazis" constantly while harboring forces like Wagner and Rusich with no irony. Lum_ fucked around with this message at 19:13 on May 19, 2023 |
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Ukraine's getting the F-16 timeline for delivery unclear but not for this counteroffensive https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-allies-plan-provide-ukrainian-pilots-f-16-fighter-jets-official-say-rcna85270 quote:HIROSHIMA, Japan — America and its allies plan to provide F-16s to Ukraine — although the fighter jets may not necessarily come directly from the United States — as part of a long-term effort to strengthen the country's security, a senior Biden administration official said Friday.
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pmchem posted:I gotta wonder if they're getting US assistance on these to make sure they land with the terminally online western audience This is a loving banger
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pmchem posted:I gotta wonder if they're getting US assistance on these to make sure they land with the terminally online western audience ukraine engaged (and received a bunch of work pro bono from iirc) several of the best pr shops in Europe pretty much the moment hostilities started. So yeah if it looks super professional it's because it is. idk if the US is behind it or would even need to be.
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America is not the birthplace, nor the authority, on shitposting. Ukrainians are perfectly capable of doing it in-house.
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HonorableTB posted:Ukraine's getting the F-16 timeline for delivery unclear but not for this counteroffensive About loving time. Except that it isn't even loving time yet. Goddamnit.
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pmchem posted:I gotta wonder if they're getting US assistance on these to make sure they land with the terminally online western audience Elmo this I'd what a real poster looks like
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pmchem posted:I gotta wonder if they're getting US assistance on these to make sure they land with the terminally online western audience Ukranians are good by themselves. If they've not demonstrated this to you by now then I don't know what more they have to do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6Dvt1UNx8 This is such a specific callout to a specific section of the American populace who saw 90s chevrolet commercials. Their level of insight is pretty wild.
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https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1659666109820293120?t=J22TbaFInIzAVrnOG4vGLQ&s=19 I'm not seriously considering this. Killing Shoigu would be interrupting your enemy while he's making a mistake and vacate his job for someone who might be more competent.
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orange juche posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6Dvt1UNx8 I mean I suppose literally almost everyone who watched TV during the 90s counts as "a specific section of the American populace", but...
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