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However, the local government unit asserted the NCAP’s legality in the statement, saying that the policy “significantly reduced the traffic violations in the affected areas by 93%.”

“It has shown that it instills a culture of traffic discipline among motorists and we believe that its implementation is legal and proper,” said the Quezon City Government.

genericnick posted:

Wait, what. Streetcars aren't just trams? America (derogatory)

cat botherer posted:

Yeah I'm thinking of the slow automated minibuses as coming in at a more a la-la fantasyland scenario where we're taking real efforts to solve the biosphere collapse, where highly localized automated transit could get rid of almost all of the remaining use cases for personal cars, in concert with really good commuter rail and regular buses and poo poo.

For most people, bikes or just walking would probably be ideal to fill in the gaps of a rail/bus system. However, that's not going to work in some situations, and then there's stuff like outlying rural areas that don't have the demand to justify high capital-investment transit, or even just paying a bus driver. You really need 24/7 high-availability transit if you want to banish cars to the land of wind and dust. Self-driving minibuses and that kind of thing could really work there.

Weka posted:

I think your analysis of these buses is really spot on and is a good answer to that last mile problem that I haven't really seen before.

Maed posted:

or you just have people drive the drat buses so people have jobs, automated driving doesn’t work and is unnecessary

cowboy beepboop posted:

why can cars even do 250km/h in a country that has the highest limit of 110km/h anyway

webcams for christ posted:

apparently South Carolina banned lifted non-commercial vehicles? lol

https://twitter.com/usingcigarettes/status/1659328802785198080

cat botherer posted:

Automated driving works pretty good in some situations. Hence being slow. A really comprehensive system would need way to many drivers to work out. Besides, it's a boring job. Those should be minimized by labor-saving technologies.

genericnick posted:

Lmao, what would even be the point of this? Some aim for the (child's) head situation?

Ardennes posted:

I don't see them really replacing full-scale buses as well, you do need something with higher capacity and you are going to need a driver for that (even if there may be some lane-correction.)

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

yes

there was a guy on Youtube showing off that you couldn't see a Corvette directly in front of his Carolina Squat truck, psycho poo poo

webcams for christ posted:

apparently South Carolina banned lifted non-commercial vehicles? lol

https://twitter.com/usingcigarettes/status/1659328802785198080

Ardennes posted:

S-bahns are actually a different mode (there is a schell between the stadt and bahn), and yeah are heavy rail, while stadtbahns are more tram like. But yeah S-bahn/RER systems are pretty useful and it is a shame that the US resists electrification and EMUs. Just think if you took a city like LA which has diesel commuter trains and just made an electrified s-bahn system out of it, it would completely change regional transportation in the city.

Maed posted:

or you just have people drive the drat buses so people have jobs, automated driving doesn’t work and is unnecessary

Grassy Knowles posted:

we don't need make-work jobs, we need to expect less work of people and support them with robust public infrastructure and other social programs. Work for works sake is the accumulation of garbage and stress.

Gunshow Poophole posted:

other than its existence as a car which is fundamentally and intrinsically bad... this one gets a pass

webcams for christ posted:

apparently South Carolina banned lifted non-commercial vehicles? lol

https://twitter.com/usingcigarettes/status/1659328802785198080

Martian posted:

This thread arguing about rail vs buses, meanwhile
https://twitter.com/CityOfLasVegas/status/1659348980759769088

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I've never been to Las Vegas but a few years back a guy who posts elsewhere on this dead gay forum moved there for work and chronicled how it slowly drove him insane

webcams for christ posted:

apparently South Carolina banned lifted non-commercial vehicles? lol

https://twitter.com/usingcigarettes/status/1659328802785198080

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Roads have a natural speed to them that drivers will tend to go regardless of the posted speed - there have been studies on this. And many of the grids are set up with lights cycling for 30mph travel, and many others run off sensors in the road. "20 is Plenty" is moral panic NIMBY bullshit that seems to have luckily few adherents.

Pro-tip: If you are building up a line of cars following you like a slow-moving and aggrieved convoy, then you are the problem.

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Bringing up one of the reductio ad absurdum arguments from the "20 is Plenty" crowd is not terribly convincing. As I said before, roads tend to have a natural speed that people will drive at, regardless of what the speed limit signs say. Usually the posted speed is too low, but if I recall in experiments when they increased the posted speed from the usual rate of travel people did not speed up. This is akin to the basic rule, that you should drive at a speed appropriate for the driving conditions. For narrow residential streets like mine, yeah, 20 is fine. For wide thoroughfares with bike lanes and parking on both sides and good lines of sight, not so much.

A significant uptick in death by car over the pandemic was heavily skewed to occurring in poor neighborhoods near industrial zones. Putting proper infrastructure in place to make crossing the street safer would do more than trying to impose arbitrarily low speed limits. It's bad enough the freeways here have that laughable 65mph speed limit.

In any case, how would you enforce your draconian "20 is Plenty" plan? Hire more cops to do traffic patrol? Speed traps? Go even more into a surveillance state with more cameras operated by out-of-state or out-of-country companies spitting out tickets willy nilly?

I'm all for appropriate speed limits and traffic controls, but there should be a specific reason for them to exist on a particular street. And a lot of the poo poo I see going up around here fails that test, unless you count "the neighbors made a lot of noise at city council meetings" as an adequate reason.

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You're assuming the current speeds here are a problem, which they generally are not. This is people trying to force a solution for a problem that largely does not exist.

mystes posted:

Sounds like they want traffic calming

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Part of the city council is very anti-car, pro-bike, which has resulted in a lot of dumb and punitive traffic controls (like suspension-wrecking speed bumps) which has increased congestion on other nearby streets because they hosed up the old artery. Then they do a shocked Pikachu face when the intersections at 29th and Chambers and 18th and Chambers clog up, when it's because of their own actions.

Lincoln, Jefferson, Friendly, and 24th all used to be options to cross that part of town, but now all those streets have speed bumps so people avoid them. It's just staggeringly dumb civic design.

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Not here. The reductio ad absurdum here is taking national numbers and trying to apply them to a local area. Pedestrians getting hit by cars is rare enough it makes the local news, and in a majority of cases it is pedestrians doing dumb things that are the root cause.

HashtagGirlboss posted:

cat botherer posted:

I really hope that's all from Reddit and not these august forums.

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Oh. Do they?

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Lmao "I hear about pedestrians hit by cars on the news so it must be rare". I'm sure if it wasn't on the news, the conclusion would be "it's so rare that I don't even hear about it on the news".