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Groggy nard posted:The last time Russia rebuilt, it was rebuilt from western companies, all of which appear to have left Russia for some reason! Yeap, and they won't be coming back. spankmeister posted:https://twitter.com/nlwartracker/status/1659863843135275008 I guess its use as a place to grind the Russians down has run its course then? I'm not sure what Ukraine has lost defending the place, but hopefully it has ended up being worth it by thinning out Russian manpower.
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May 20, 2023 11:36
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Wasn’t it just yesterday ISW was saying Ukraine was advancing in Bakhmut? Edit: ISW said around Bakhmut. https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1659360647493083137?s=46&t=V8ES8-BeP_d613gz-fRrlw ought ten fucked around with this message at 11:44 on May 20, 2023 |
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May 20, 2023 11:42
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They're advancing in areas around Bakhmut, not in the city itself.
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May 20, 2023 11:44
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Yeah to clarify, they gave up their last footholds in the city itself, but are continuing making gains on the flanks.
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May 20, 2023 11:49
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Yureina posted:Yeap, and they won't be coming back.
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May 20, 2023 11:49
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It wouldn’t suppose me if the strategy is to draw the Russians into occupying a heap of rubble and then surround the city as part of the upcoming offensive.
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May 20, 2023 12:31
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situation wrt holding and supplying what was left of bakhmut had been incredibly tenuous, to put it lightly.
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May 20, 2023 12:56
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spankmeister posted:Yeah to clarify, they gave up their last footholds in the city itself, but are continuing making gains on the flanks. Which is eerily similar to how the Battle of Stalingrad went down. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure drops some sick rhymes.
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May 20, 2023 13:23
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spankmeister posted:Yeah to clarify, they gave up their last footholds in the city itself, but are continuing making gains on the flanks. There's no real reason to keep forces there when they're making a pocket out of Bakhmut. It makes me wonder if there's any civilians left there because it's going to give the UkrAF some... tactical flexibility when it comes to what happens with the pocket.
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May 20, 2023 13:34
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Young Freud posted:There's no real reason to keep forces there when they're making a pocket out of Bakhmut. It makes me wonder if there's any civilians left there because it's going to give the UkrAF some... tactical flexibility when it comes to what happens with the pocket. There probably is, but IIRC, the general, mandatory evacuation of the city happened months ago. It's an absolute ruin of a city. If UA manages to encircle the city, that would be an amazing gently caress you to RU.
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May 20, 2023 13:58
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There were a few thousand still living in basements as of a few months ago iirc.
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May 20, 2023 14:15
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Here's Prigozhin claiming victory. And he can't help himself not having a little of his signature rants. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1659906652139601921?s=46&t=pGijfoEOWYcqmIkKtMflTw
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May 20, 2023 14:40
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spankmeister posted:Here's Prigozhin claiming victory. And he can't help himself not having a little of his signature rants. Congratulations. Now you get to repeat the effort for every populated settlement in Ukraine. I'm sure you're up to it!
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May 20, 2023 14:41
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spankmeister posted:Here's Prigozhin claiming victory. And he can't help himself not having a little of his signature rants. It's a Pyrrhic victory at best. That's even if you want to call it a victory now, because there is still more of Bakhmut that is contested. The Citadel in Bakhmut has been difficult to supply for a while now. and Wagner cut the main supply route over the past couple days. Ukraine has been making big gains east of Kilschivka. If they can take the wooded position on the occupiers side of the stream (ditch?), that gets them really close to the village. If that village is liberated, its going to put direct pressure on the south of Bakhmut. Janky The Clown fucked around with this message at 14:58 on May 20, 2023 |
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May 20, 2023 14:55
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Belarus rant incoming. I tried to to get back into dating, browse Tinder. What blows my mind is occasional profiles that I see with description such as "all is wonderful, life is amazing". How the gently caress can you possibly feel so well when we participate in the biggest crime of our lifetimes and your countrymen and women are arrested daily. I think I am becoming severely depressed. I have almost stopped eating. A cup of coffee and 2 sandwitches is my only meal per day for the last 6 day. I only just realized that
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May 20, 2023 15:23
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If you wanna talk about anything, how you're feeling, just rant about stuff, I think many of us in this thread would be more than happy to lend you an ear in PMs. I can't imagine mental health professionals are super available in Belarus but there's plenty of online therapy organizations out there to look into. I can PM you some names when I get a chance to do some searching as well.
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May 20, 2023 16:22
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https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1659918138173956097?s=20 Ukraine is disputing retreating from the city. Thread has more.
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May 20, 2023 17:01
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Moon Slayer posted:If you wanna talk about anything, how you're feeling, just rant about stuff, I think many of us in this thread would be more than happy to lend you an ear in PMs. I can't imagine mental health professionals are super available in Belarus but there's plenty of online therapy organizations out there to look into. I can PM you some names when I get a chance to do some searching as well. 100%. Folks like Lukashenko want you to despair and feel alone. Don't let them win.
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May 20, 2023 17:11
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Sekenr posted:Belarus rant incoming. I tried to to get back into dating, browse Tinder. What blows my mind is occasional profiles that I see with description such as "all is wonderful, life is amazing". How the gently caress can you possibly feel so well when we participate in the biggest crime of our lifetimes and your countrymen and women are arrested daily. The majority of people in my experience, simply want to live their lives and not think about anything that’s uncomfortable. Being complicit to war crimes and attempted genocide is pretty uncomfortable to think about if your life is otherwise not impacted. That you care at all is a credit to you. I’m sorry that you’re in that position. I think the goon above me has a good idea — talking about it with people who understand might help. Otherwise, try and find joy where you can or if you’re so inclined, take whatever small action you can take to press against the apathy you’re seeing. Godspeed, friend.
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May 20, 2023 17:17
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 Best case, UA holds on to a tiny strip of the former city of Bakhmut. If Russia hasn't fully taken it, they are very, very close and have been for some time.
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May 20, 2023 18:22
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Why are people fantasizing that Ukraine is somehow encircling Bakhmut? The advances on the flanks are great but nowhere *near* encircling.
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May 20, 2023 18:50
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Grey Area posted:Why not? Remembering things that happened more than two years ago is for losers. This is Europe. People have long memories.
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May 20, 2023 19:18
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Rust Martialis posted:Why are people fantasizing that Ukraine is somehow encircling Bakhmut? The advances on the flanks are great but nowhere *near* encircling. Who is saying this
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May 20, 2023 19:30
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Who is saying this prigozhin and at least a couple of the ukrainian propagandists on youtube which is why I don't think that's plan a. everything depends on where the russian line collapses anyways. https://nyti.ms/3BI6BaB as content here's a story on the past couple of weeks of fighting.
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May 20, 2023 19:59
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quote:>>> "For 224 days the operation to take Bakhmut lasted - the 'Bakhmut shelless meat grinder. It began on October 8, 2022, to give the battered Russian army a chance to come to its senses by giving us shells. For 224 days the guys stormed that city. There was only PMC Wagner, there were no shells, there was no airborne forces and anyone else who could help us with shells, as Konashenkov said. We were helping ourselves, but not to shells," said the head of the PMC "Vagner" Prigozhin.
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May 20, 2023 20:01
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292 days by my count. Fun fact, if it takes 11 days more to clear the remaining blocks, then Bakhmut will have tied Verdun, often said to be the longest continuously fought battle in history.
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May 20, 2023 20:21
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Who is saying this Posters *on this page* calling it "a pocket" or somehow like Stalingrad before, presumably, a Ukranian Operation Uranus 
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May 20, 2023 22:01
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Rust Martialis posted:Posters *on this page* calling it "a pocket" or somehow like Stalingrad before, presumably, a Ukranian Operation Uranus those are speaking of potential hypotheticals, not things that have actually happened already maybe you need a refresher on how English tenses work?
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May 21, 2023 01:28
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Pocketing Bakhmut would require such a significant breakdown on the flanks that the pocket itself would be a minor issue compared to the complete inability to get reserves necessary to stop advances around the city. Hell, the frontline isn't even quite flat yet.
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May 21, 2023 02:12
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It was my understanding of Bakhmut is that one reason the Russians are pushing there is that pocketing it would be very very hard.
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May 21, 2023 02:14
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It was my understanding of Bakhmut is that one reason the Russians are pushing there is that pocketing it would be very very hard. Libluini's literacy concerns aside, the Russians did try to pocket it, but months of trying to do so made so little headway that they simply resorted to blasting their way in, at a cost we've seen, due to the stiffness of the Ukrainian defense on the flanks. The statements that Ukraine is now making such advances as to trap Russian forces in the city vastly overstate the successes of the UAF. Mostly the advances seem to have been to protect the exit route from the city.
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May 21, 2023 07:22
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Looks like Georgians aren't too happy about Lavrov's family gallivanting around their country. https://twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1659901788357623811 https://twitter.com/KShoshiashvili/status/1659993134040850437 https://twitter.com/EtoBuziashvili/status/1660194887763935237 https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1659868465149124608 https://twitter.com/Niamh__Kennedy/status/1660266176906133507 https://twitter.com/geomel_ge/status/1659912910036934664 https://twitter.com/yasminalombaert/status/1659998510115180546 It's nice to see the solidarity here, but incredibly bad that it was cleared to happen in the first place. It seems like it is catalyzing resistance to the flights being resumed as well.
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May 21, 2023 13:54
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saratoga posted:292 days by my count. Fun fact, if it takes 11 days more to clear the remaining blocks, then Bakhmut will have tied Verdun, often said to be the longest continuously fought battle in history. Woah, seriously? I'd like to think something like that will be newsworthy.
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May 21, 2023 16:17
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It was my understanding of Bakhmut is that one reason the Russians are pushing there is that pocketing it would be very very hard. Nevertheless, the Russians seem to have traded the surrounding high ground for the remaining city blocks. I'm not fully convinced it is a favourable trade for them. 
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May 21, 2023 17:33
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It would be interesting to read an after action report on Bakhmut someday, just to get a feel of whether or not staying in was worth it. It seems insane that Ukraine stayed that long while they had only one road for logistics and it was actively being contested.
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May 21, 2023 17:34
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WarpedLichen posted:It would be interesting to read an after action report on Bakhmut someday, just to get a feel of whether or not staying in was worth it. It seems insane that Ukraine stayed that long while they had only one road for logistics and it was actively being contested. Til you see how many Russians it took out of the fight and for how long
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May 21, 2023 17:40
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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1660326383996788736
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May 21, 2023 17:56
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Russian leadership have continually complained about escalation, redlines and risk when new weapons were going to be given to Ukraine. To be fair what is left to say to them?
Budzilla fucked around with this message at 18:41 on May 21, 2023 |
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May 21, 2023 18:03
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Hard as gently caress. Hope that replays often in Ukraine and Russia. It shows the resolve of NATO supporting Ukraine.
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May 21, 2023 18:06
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HonorableTB posted:Til you see how many Russians it took out of the fight and for how long What are the deaths from the battle so far... something like 10k Ukrainians and 50k Russians? I don't always like Biden, but I like when he says poo poo like this.
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May 21, 2023 18:30
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