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tigersklaw posted:When did the US trade Maine for the Ontario peninsula? Must have missed that e: Better map, updated for 2023 
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Guavanaut posted:So DeSantis wants VAT? But VAT is regressive!!! *Dies of preventable illness*
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Gyges posted:https://twitter.com/keirasoup/status/1659666097275293704?t=lw7LCnW-hOK9prvK_6KqCw&s=19 "266. Nobody cared." Looks like they preemptively released the court's ruling by mistake.
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Guavanaut posted:So DeSantis wants VAT? Admittedly I know exactly nothing about "the DeSantis Tax Plan" but I would bet money that the 23% national sales tax was probably going to be matched by massive cuts to all progressive taxes, so not so much "DeSantis wants VAT" and something more like "DeSantis wants VAT to replace income tax, capital gains tax and corporation tax".
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Like the old joke goes, the Democrats think that VAT is too regressive and the Republicans think that it's too European. If only we could convince the Dems that it's European and the Repubs that it's regressive they'd pass it in a week.
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My understanding is that VAT is just a sales tax with some technical tweaks to make sure only the end user pays. So if I'm a cookie making company and I buy water to give to my workers and flour to put into my cookies, I pay taxes on both when I buy them, and file forms to get a refund on the flour once someone else pays the taxes on the cookies they went into. This type of tax break already generally happens but with VAT it happens with either less paperwork or the same paperwork standardized across industries or more consistently across companies, I don't know exactly but folks I know who know taxes think it's just better. So sure, VAT is regressive in the way all sales taxes are, but it isn't going to really change anything. The issue is people have some dumb idea that this magical VAT thing can just bring in more money. One guy said Europe just has the VAT and they don't have an income tax, which is easily checked bullshit, you'd need a sales tax of 33+%.
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VAT is dumb and functionally equivalent to sales tax. Not having it at the feral level is one of the few things America gets right.
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cat botherer posted:VAT is dumb and functionally equivalent to sales tax. Not having it at the feral level is one of the few things America gets right. Freudian typo?
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Jesus loving Christ i need to get into political advertising. The poo poo I do actually requires that we have an impact and I'm paid nothing compared to what I'm assuming are all nepotism hires
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StumblyWumbly posted:My understanding is that VAT is just a sales tax with some technical tweaks to make sure only the end user pays. So if I'm a cookie making company and I buy water to give to my workers and flour to put into my cookies, I pay taxes on both when I buy them, and file forms to get a refund on the flour once someone else pays the taxes on the cookies they went into. This type of tax break already generally happens but with VAT it happens with either less paperwork or the same paperwork standardized across industries or more consistently across companies, I don't know exactly but folks I know who know taxes think it's just better. In the US, your cookie making company asserts the flour is for resale when they buy it and doesn't pay any sales tax. You can dodge tax by improperly classifying stuff as for resale instead of for use. With VAT, you pay sales tax always, then file for a refund after you actually resell it. The payments and refunds net out to exactly the same as end user only sales tax, but it incentives recordkeeping (to support your refund claim) and recruits intermediary suppliers for tax enforcement
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To the end-user sales and VAT are similar (well other that VAT rates are standardized and you're actually shown the real price you'll pay). cat botherer posted:VAT is dumb and functionally equivalent to sales tax. Not having it at the feral level is one of the few things America gets right. The big difference is that every VAT system that comes to mind is national. The funds are then distributed to the municipalities based on what they need, and not how much they collected (i.e. communism). For example, here the taxes a town gets are calculated as follows: 78% based on adjusted population, 10% actual population, 9% # of children in kindergartens or schools, 3% area.
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Finally, tower 7 is adequately explained.
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cat botherer posted:Computer, show me the stupidest thing. cat botherer posted:VAT is dumb and functionally equivalent to sales tax. Not having it at the feral level is one of the few things America gets right.
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Guavanaut posted:Especially as it's a known fact that Vietnam can beat 1950s France. 
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Wow, yeah, having a VAT at the local level would probably be a shitshow, and we're not going to have a federal sales tax, so I guess that idea is dead.
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mobby_6kl posted:To the end-user sales and VAT are similar (well other that VAT rates are standardized and you're actually shown the real price you'll pay). It's European so it must be good! cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:03 on May 21, 2023 |
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cat botherer posted:You're talking about two different things: the tax, and how its receipts are allocated. If our government weren't so lovely, we could distribute the funds from income taxes better as well. And that would be far less regressive than a big new national VAT. Third option is that you keep arguing about how regressive it is, while effectively perpetrating the current system. It's not good because it's European, it's good because it collects the funds necessary for the welfare state.
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mobby_6kl posted:You already have the sales tax. So you can keep the lovely, local sales tax that gets spent on manicuring lawns in rich towns, or switch to VAT which everyone else is using.
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cat botherer posted:The same thing can be achieved with higher income taxes, which are progressive, not regressive. I mean, fair enough I guess, but for example in Finland  in units of megaeuros. Out of the green box, VAT makes up about 25 000 megaeuros. Now, compared to the US of A, Finland has fairly high income tax levels, though I agree they could be higher, but we're talking about ~50% increase to assorted income taxes to make up for dropping VAT. That seems like... A lot. And Finland doesn't have a surplus population of bezoses to guillotine, at least on a scale comparable to the US 
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cat botherer posted:The same thing can be achieved with higher income taxes, which are progressive, not regressive. I really love this. Tax system that's difficult to game and is shown to provide sufficient revenue for welfare programs? Too regressive. Guaranteed universal healthcare with multiple payers and optional private insurance? Too unequal. Rappaport posted:I mean, fair enough I guess, but for example in Finland  
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mobby_6kl posted:You already have the sales tax. So you can keep the lovely, local sales tax that gets spent on manicuring lawns in rich towns, or switch to VAT which everyone else is using. Wouldn't making sales tax national accomplish your goal? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's been explained
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Wouldn't making sales tax national accomplish your goal? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's been explained Anyway https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1660067845982781440
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 Hope the poor and neglected have a plan for the next decade. Also lol 
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mobby_6kl posted:It's not good because it's European, it's good because it collects the funds necessary for the welfare state. We should tax the rich for that.
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mobby_6kl posted:Maybe it could, but it isn't. VAT is regressive, so it creates a non-insignificant portion of the problem that the welfare system is intended to solve with those funds.
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Ok good luck, I certainly won't be holding my breath for that actually getting implemented 
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Rappaport posted:
i can't explain to you why this is the case, but in some parts of la these kind of bus stops are standard, and in other parts you're lucky to get even a bench. the one's without shelters are inevitably deep in the urban heat effect with no effective shade anywhere near by. if these shade thingies somehow are magically actually installable, then it is a material step up in the summers. still seems useless for the rainy winters though
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In philly covered stops are mostly found in the more densely populated parts of the city. In the outlying areas you get a sign attached to a telephone pole
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And nothing else has happened in the last 30 years that would also cause the price to go up? Seems a but disingenuous to not discuss the multiple upgrades the missile has had that could increase the cost.
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In 1978, a family of four could afford a comprehensive IADS on a single salary.
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Is the missile now 7x more capable than before? (Adjusted for inflation)
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