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"Immersive sim" remains an incredibly stupid name for the genre
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May 22, 2023 21:25
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Role Playing Game and Adventure are honestly even more meaningless. Genre names peaked with First Person Shooter and Sports.
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May 22, 2023 21:28
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RBA Starblade posted:"Immersive sim" remains an incredibly stupid name for the genre agreed but, as long as people know what ur talking about who cares
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May 22, 2023 21:29
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Ain’t nobody care
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May 22, 2023 21:31
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0451 game 
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May 22, 2023 21:32
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please refer to the berlin interpretation of an immersive sim
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May 22, 2023 21:33
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The only true immersive sim is when you program you and your crush into The Sims to make them gently caress and see what your offspring could look like.Foul Fowl posted:idk i mean yeah it's not really a """deep""" game whatever that means, it's straight-forward, you're just trying to kill your target(s) and escape. the breadth and depth of the game comes from the level design and the way your bio-mods and weapons interact with enemies and the world around you. it's not a game about anything else than that though there's a lot more to it if you care to look. but it's not going to be found in houses in the neighborhood level or any other very obvious place. but ultimately the game is just a rock solid tactical shooter FPS/kinda imm-sim game about assassinating a bunch of freaks who all live in a deeply strange place. Didn't say that people can't like it, just that I found it shallow. I played up through the mall level which is (after looking it up) halfway through the game so maybe the second half turns it around but I just wasn't personally finding it engaging. Cutting my way through the police station and stealing their organs for cash isn't that difficult, and even the weird geometry and flesh beasts didn't really click when you are already operating on an alternate reality. Really it's probably a personal thing because a lot of games in that visual space just don't really work for me. There's a bunch of fast paced shooters out there that go "oh man your sword is your spine and you use a skull to hold the soul of your enemies and you have to kill kill kill before you die" and it is just so much noise that I bounce off of it. Or something like the Outlast Trials where you just go "oh instead of tennis balls you have human hearts that's certainly something you could throw instead of tennis balls." I guess I'm just desensitized.
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May 22, 2023 21:33
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They're called 0451 games because when you see one you spin around 451 degrees and walk in a nearly orthogonal direction to your original bearing.
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May 22, 2023 21:34
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exquisite tea posted:They're called 0451 games because when you see one you spin around 451 degrees and walk in a nearly orthogonal direction to your original bearing. lol
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May 22, 2023 21:35
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it's only an immersive sim if it's an attempt to accurately recreate the effects of being submerged in fluid
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May 22, 2023 21:36
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The origin of the phrase immersive sim is basically stupid (according to wikipedia) Warren Spector saw a player finish a task in the way the devs didnt expect and decided this called for a new genre name. Actually engaging with the textbook definition is a total language game given that all games have unintended solutions (mario 64 is a more successful immersive sim than basically anything). What we really seem to mean by it these days is system deusexalike.
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May 22, 2023 21:39
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CuddleCryptid posted:The only true immersive sim is when you program you and your crush into The Sims to make them gently caress and see what your offspring could look like. hey, some people think cucumber tastes better pickled, what are you gonna do
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May 22, 2023 21:39
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No Wave posted:The origin of the phrase immersive sim is basically stupid (according to wikipedia) Warren Spector saw a player finish a task in the way the devs didnt expect and decided this called for a new genre name. Actually engaging with the textbook definition is a total language game given that all games have unintended solutions (mario 64 is a more successful immersive sim than basically anything). What we really seem to mean by it these days is system deusexalike. The most successful games in the genre are the newest legend of zelda titles. They’re zeldalikes now.
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May 22, 2023 21:44
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Meanwhile Cuphead remains my favorite marisonic game.
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May 22, 2023 22:02
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The most consistent definition of immersive sim is "game made by people who've worked for Ion Storm, Looking Glass, or Arkane" Nobody else bothers with it
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May 22, 2023 22:11
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stealth action game. done
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May 22, 2023 22:15
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FPS but with an inventory screen
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May 22, 2023 22:17
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*holding a plucked chicken* "BEHOLD, I've brought you an immersive sim!"
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May 22, 2023 22:27
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please confine your chicken cruelty to the diablo thread
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May 22, 2023 22:29
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there are only 2 genres Number Go Up Other
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May 22, 2023 22:32
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are there any games that do not have a single number going up
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May 22, 2023 22:35
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"Immersive sim" died when Atomic Heart declared itself one.Awesome! posted:are there any games that do not have a single number going up Games where ammo and enemy counts go down
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May 22, 2023 22:35
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Doom, but you stop to riffle through every desk drawer and pocket along the way.
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May 22, 2023 22:36
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An immersive sim is any game that gets a bunch of old dorks wound up about the definition of an immersive sim
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May 22, 2023 22:37
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And it's lockpicks and flushable toilets
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May 22, 2023 22:38
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immersive sim is an fps with bad combat
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May 22, 2023 22:39
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FPS but you have a health bar and a mana bar
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May 22, 2023 22:48
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Sab669 posted:FPS but you have a health bar and a mana bar that's a Heretic-like
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May 22, 2023 22:54
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Zomborgon posted:The most consistent definition of immersive sim is "game made by people who've worked for Ion Storm, Looking Glass, or Arkane" Not sure if that definition covers the Hitman devs, but if not then it's 
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May 22, 2023 22:54
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FishMcCool posted:Not sure if that definition covers the Hitman devs, but if not then it's Yeah, World of Assassination has taken a lot of cues from 0451/DX-like games. I'm aware that "0451" is more of a shibboleth than "immersive sim" but I'm going to keep using it and "DX-like" because "immersive sim," to me, means something more like Unreal World (those character portraits are so damned immersive). Actually, it makes me think of SCUM if it had no zombies and wasn't trying to be a pvp/battle royale game: you need to balance your food intake to get the right amount of vitamins and minerals, your stomach has a ite capacity (if you eat too much it'll explode, killing you), it takes time to digest food and water, you need to pee and poop, the archer's paradox is modeled in the game so arrows wobble (slightly) in flight, standing in water for too long will give you trenchfoot, and getting injured can cause infections which delay the healing of the wound until the infection is overcome (through natural immunity or taking antibiotics). It's absolutely full of the sorts of things that are, to me, both immersive and simulationist. Warren Spector's "one city block" thing is a fine idea, but I don't think any game has been able to quite pull it off. Shadows of Doubt comes pretty close (though it's more like 16 small blocks, each with a single building or a park), as does the Prague hub in Mankind Divided (but you leave the hub to go on missions). Hitman: World of Assassination has a few levels that almost get there, too, particularly Sapienza, Marrakesh, and Mumbai (the "city" levels). RIP Subversion, the Introversion game that was supposed to be this sort of thing, but then it kinda became Prison Architect after Chris DeLay toured Alcatraz. Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 23:43
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The Yakuza games are dense city block style games.
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May 22, 2023 23:55
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beats for junkies posted:DX-like Deus Esque
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May 22, 2023 23:58
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I feel like the only time i ever see the term 'immersive sim' is when aggro weirdos are arguing that some new game isn't one.
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May 23, 2023 00:03
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fez_machine posted:The Yakuza games are dense city block style games. And there are tons of people who are more familiar with the lives and locations of Kamurochō than their own homes, seems like it fits.
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May 23, 2023 00:03
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Hwurmp posted:Deus Esque  I like that one.If I'd said "DEx-like" (which flows better), people may have confused it with Dex, the side-scrolling cyberpunk rpg. If anyone had ever played Dex, that is. Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 00:07 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 00:03
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Speaking of Imm Sims, Ctrl Alt Ego is on sale right now with 30% off. An indie System Shock / Prey inspired game where you play a robot on a space station. Heard good things about this game, I'll give it a go tonight and report back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfX26tp4mqs Squiggle posted:An immersive sim is any game that gets a bunch of old dorks wound up about the definition of an immersive sim
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May 23, 2023 00:17
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I guess at least this hasn’t been the rtwp ‘argument’
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May 23, 2023 00:19
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beats for junkies posted:DX-like I just thought this is what you called colorization patches for Game Boy titles
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May 23, 2023 00:19
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CuddleCryptid posted:I like immersive sims. This is just a very shallow one once you strip away the visuals. Paint the walls all bright orange and it's pretty clear that the levels are Deus Ex Human Revolution levels of "do you go in the front door or the air vent, oh man you went through the window badass" most of the time.
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The 7th Guest posted:that can't be true because i don't think HR has a lot of actual windows you can go through In fact it has none that you go through while actually in control of Jensen
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