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First time I saw those, I thought it looked sus. It looks like they were made to look like they had been bombed and were resting in the bomb holes. But no damage on the humvees from said bombs. The other choice is, there was two incompetent humvee drivers, who both drove in to a ditch but from different directions. It doesn't make much sense either way.
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May 24, 2023 09:22
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That's not even a good staged photo - in what scenario would two humvees just side-by-side swan-dive into an obvious drainage ditch (calling it a trench would be overselling it) like that. They should have at least stood them by the side of the road, shoot some MG rounds at them and then set them on fire.
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May 24, 2023 09:22
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They can't just waste two humvees at this point.
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May 24, 2023 09:23
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Dwesa posted:Short thread - Defenses built in Belgorod region absolutely work and were worth 10 billion rubles, this staged picture of vehicles dropped into trench from truck's flatbed proves it i swear if this guy turns out to be a stop the stealer
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May 24, 2023 10:09
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ChaseSP posted:They can't just waste two humvees at this point. UA weapons tracker: "2 humvees were captured in bakhmut today by AFU"
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May 24, 2023 10:10
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So, uh, are the insurgents still active? Already gone? Nobody knows?
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May 24, 2023 10:24
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Alan Smithee posted:i swear if this guy turns out to be a stop the stealer Seems like a not lovely dude so far.
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May 24, 2023 10:33
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Son of Rodney posted:So, uh, are the insurgents still active? Already gone? Nobody knows? https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661274912923828227 The incursion appears to have opened two more lines of entry, however, according to this map. Reporting from Ukraine also said in this morning's video that Russia urgently pulled the 76th mechanized brigade to reinforce the Belgorod border. 
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May 24, 2023 10:47
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May 24, 2023 10:53
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Good news for Ukraine - Russia still has no choice but to transport its oil and gas through Ukraine-controlled pipelines. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/24/ukraine-gas-russia-pipeline-oil/ Despite war, Ukraine allows Russian oil and gas to cross its territory By David L. Stern May 24, 2023 at 1:00 a.m. EDT KYIV, Ukraine — Despite a brutal Russian invasion that has killed tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians and laid waste to swaths of the country, Ukraine continues to allow Russian oil and gas to cross its territory to serve its European neighbors — generating revenue for Kyiv and Moscow and illustrating how hard it is for the bitter enemies to cut ties. Senior Ukrainian officials have demanded that their Western partners impose tougher sanctions and cut virtually all economic ties to Russia, saying “more must be done” to cripple Moscow’s war machine. But as surreal as it might seem, Ukraine insists that it has virtually no choice but to maintain its own commercial deals and has lobbied to preserve them, arguing that they provide some leverage over the Kremlin and help constrain where the Russian military carries out airstrikes. Oleksiy Chernyshov, the chief executive of Ukraine’s state energy company Naftogaz, conceded the bizarre optics of Ukraine still doing business with Russia. “It is for me, it’s impossible, as a Ukrainian citizen — that is my first reaction,” Chernyshov said, adding that this was a personal and emotional response. But Naftogaz — and senior political leaders — insist that Ukraine cannot and should not shut the pipelines, both to lay claim to residual revenue (although the amount Moscow is paying, if anything, is not public information) and because some of Kyiv’s European supporters are still dependent on Russian oil and gas. Russia’s continuing profits, and Kyiv’s frustrations, were spotlighted recently in classified U.S. intelligence documents leaked on the Discord messaging platform, which said that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky considered blowing up the Druzhba oil pipeline earlier this year. According to the document, which was obtained by The Washington Post, U.S. officials questioned the seriousness of the threats, which may have been an outburst of frustration at Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has voiced pro-Kremlin positions and insisted on an exemption from a European Union effort to end purchases of Russian oil. Moscow sent about 300,000 barrels of oil per day last year through the Druzhba — or “Friendship” — pipeline, which crosses Ukraine. Russia is also obligated to pump some 40 billion cubic meters of gas annually through Ukraine’s gas transit system because of supply agreements that predate the full-scale invasion in February 2022. Ukrainian officials say they are in a quandary. Russian hydrocarbons crossing their territory earn the Kremlin millions of dollars and help fund its war machine. But Kyiv also needs the money it earns on transit and wants to be a reliable economic partner to European nations, some of which could face destabilizing price increases if Russian energy supplies were suddenly cut off. Chernyshov said Kyiv must uphold its contractual obligations, and the decision to end the deliveries lies with the countries on the receiving end, such as Hungary, which need Russian oil and gas for heat in the winter. “This stream has not been stopped in order not to make other countries that are supporting Ukraine freeze,” he said. The Kremlin has used energy supplies as a weapon, including in the 2000s when it twice cut off supplies to Europe. But Kyiv has also insisted that Russia’s gas must continue to flow, even in the years since Moscow illegally annexed Crimea in 2014 and fomented a separatist war in the eastern Donbas region. Ukraine insisted that it should sustain its role as a transit country, while also demanding that countries like Germany not help Russia build new pipelines — a view critics called hypocritical. Now, Ukraine says all of its supporters should reduce or eliminate their use of Russian energy. A working group on Russian sanctions, chaired by Andriy Yermak, the head of the Ukrainian presidential office, and Michael McFaul, the former U.S. ambassador to Russia, published an “action plan” last month that laid out additional steps that should be taken to punish Russia — but the plan pointedly called for preserving the transit of Russian energy across Ukraine. It also called for suspending “all remaining Russian-controlled pipeline routes” taking Russian gas to the European market, as well as the TurkStream pipeline through Turkey. “End the direct supply of Russian gas to the European Union, except through Ukraine,” the action plan said. Anders Aslund, an economic expert focusing on the former Soviet Union who was part of the sanctions working group, said the logic of maintaining transit across Ukraine was clear: Gas would go to European markets regardless, because the E.U. included several exceptions, or “carveouts,” to its embargo regime for countries like Hungary. What’s more, Russia is committed to paying Ukraine a total $7 billion dollars over a five-year contract signed in 2019, called a “pump or pay” agreement, which requires Moscow to pay whether it ships any gas. “So why not get the money?” Aslund said. “The contracts have been agreed with the European Union for these carveouts.” The goal of the sanctions is not to introduce “a general ban against trade with Russia,” Aslund said, but “to cause Russia maximum damage without causing Ukraine more damage than necessary.” On May 10, E.U. envoys met in Brussels to discuss a new package of sanctions against Russia, its 11th so far. Previous measures targeted individuals, businesses and sectors of the Russian economy, and restricted exports and imports. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, at a news conference with Zelensky in Kyiv the previous day, said the E.U. would “continue to do everything” in its power “to erode Putin’s war machine and his revenue.” Zelensky praised the E.U. proposals, which he said would hit Russia’s atomic energy sector. But he and other officials have said this is still not enough. Under its gas contract with Kyiv, Russia is obligated to pay Ukraine some $1 billion to $1.5 billion annually. After the war began, Kyiv shut down a main entry point for Russian gas in occupied territory in the east, saying Ukrainian technicians could not work there. Ukrainian officials insisted there was capacity to send all Russian gas through another entry point. However, Russia drastically reduced the amount of gas that it pumped through Ukraine. In September, Naftogaz filed a case at the International Court of Arbitration in Paris, saying that “funds were not paid” by Russian state gas company Gazprom “neither on time nor in full” under the terms of the contract. Naftogaz declined to specify how much was missing from payments, however. “We will make Gazprom pay,” said Yuriy Vitrenko, the head of Naftogaz at the time. Gazprom, in response, said there were no “appropriate reasons” to pursue the case and threatened to impose financial penalties against Naftogaz. Gas has been at the center of Russia and Ukraine’s troubled relationship for decades. At one point, Russia sent more than 80 percent of its gas across Ukraine to European countries. Russia hoped to bypass Ukraine by opening two gas pipelines across the North Sea to Germany. As the second, called Nord Stream 2, was being built, Ukrainian officials argued that some of Russia’s gas should continue to traverse Ukraine as a way of preventing a full-scale war. Nord Stream 2 was built but never used. The war happened anyway. Still, Nataliia Shapoval, vice president for policy research at the Kyiv School of Economics, said Russia’s use of Ukrainian pipelines “creates some additional protection” and has appeared to limit Moscow’s airstrikes. “During their campaign against the energy sector this winter, gas transportation and storage were not their primary targets, for sure,” Shapoval said. The Druzhba oil pipeline has likewise been spared, halting operations for only “a couple of days, when they didn’t have the power to run the pumps,” said Matthew Sagers, an energy transport expert at S&P Global Commodity Insights in London. Sagers said Druzhba carried about 80 percent of oil for Hungary’s largest oil company, MOL, last year and is supposed to carry between 50 and 55 percent this year. In addition to Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia depend on oil shipped through Druzhba. Plus, Ukraine earned close to $180 million on transit fees from Druzhba last year, Sagers said. “Money is money.” In the end, Sagers said, the Ukrainians “don’t need to blow up the pipeline — they could just simply stop doing business if they wanted to.”
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May 24, 2023 10:55
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661274912923828227 Amazing.
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May 24, 2023 10:59
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Fuckin tow truck drivers posting their OSINT dissections of Russia's poo poo propaganda. What a time to be alive.
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May 24, 2023 11:15
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661290771922690048 Ben Wallace seemingly made an unannounced visit to Ukraine.
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May 24, 2023 11:41
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661274912923828227 These ahistorical HoI4 focus trees are getting more and more ridiculous.
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May 24, 2023 11:52
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Great news for Ukraine - Wagner is being lured deeper and deeper into the encirclement trap that the Ukrainian forces are setting up in Bakhmut. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1661216701479022592
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May 24, 2023 11:55
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661274912923828227 Lmao that Russians are taking more territory in Russia in 2 days then Russia has managed in Ukraine the whole loving year Like holy poo poo there are 3 pockets in the border now?
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May 24, 2023 12:00
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Arbite posted:Mexico is a better comparison but I still smile when I remember the Djinn of Baghdad and Guy Fieri's Handel Group. What is this you speak of?
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May 24, 2023 12:04
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loving Moron posted:What is this you speak of? There was a 4chan parody of how the Russia-Ukraine war would look like if it was America invading Mexico, with Mexico fighting back as hard as Ukraine was. In this case the post was making fun of the Ghost of Kyiv and Prigozhin's Wagner Group. Guy Fieri subbing in for Prigozhin was an inspired touch, though.
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May 24, 2023 12:12
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zone posted:There was a 4chan parody of how the Russia-Ukraine war would look like if it was America invading Mexico, with Mexico fighting back as hard as Ukraine was. In this case the post was making fun of the Ghost of Kyiv and Prigozhin's Wagner Group. Guy Fieri subbing in for Prigozhin was an inspired touch, though. There were a bunch of these, some with Mexico and some with Iraq.   But I think the Iraq one is funnier in part because we actually saw how it played out 
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May 24, 2023 12:27
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mobby_6kl posted:There were a bunch of these, some with Mexico and some with Iraq. "When they get back there is no tank, just some footprints of a human and a donkey on the sand" is just incredible. 
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May 24, 2023 12:32
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fizzy posted:Despite war, Ukraine allows Russian oil and gas to cross its territory
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May 24, 2023 12:42
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1661327572079108097
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May 24, 2023 12:44
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So have I understood correctly that the insurgents are still in Bilhorod?
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May 24, 2023 12:49
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Haven't seen any good evidence one way or another. I wouldn't really expect them to hang around for too long with no artillery or air support from Ukraine though.
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May 24, 2023 12:58
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The best part is that it doesn't matter where they are now. They were there, so they might still be there, until enough forces are directed to the area to be sure they aren't there any more. Either outcome makes Russia weaker.
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May 24, 2023 13:18
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Tricky Ed posted:The best part is that it doesn't matter where they are now. They were there, so they might still be there, until enough forces are directed to the area to be sure they aren't there any more. The Russians don't know where the insurgents are because they don't know where they aren't.
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May 24, 2023 13:29
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Possible case of spicy tea? https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/05/23/exp-russian-official-killed-abdelaziz-live-052304aseg1-cnni-world.cnn Russia's Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education, Pyotr Kucherenko, has died after falling ill on a plane, the latest in a string of mysterious deaths among Russian elites. CNN's Salma Abdelaziz reports on the mysterious death of the Kremlin critic.
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May 24, 2023 13:34
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Liquid Chicken posted:Possible case of spicy tea? Russian journalist who was friends with him said after death that the guy was opposed to war and advised him to run from country asap back last year. So very likely.
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May 24, 2023 13:41
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Which case is more likely? Minister of Science and Higher Education has expressed concern over genocidal war effort! Must pay with his life! or Minister of Science and Higher Education is personally responsible for Kinzhal embarassment! Must pay with his life! edit: oh I guess it was #1, that was fast
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May 24, 2023 13:44
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thekeeshman posted:The Russians don't know where the insurgents are because they don't know where they aren't. The Russians are trying to subtract the insurgents where they are from where they aren't, but something goes wrong and now they are multiplied. weg fucked around with this message at 14:00 on May 24, 2023 |
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May 24, 2023 13:51
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Icept posted:Which case is more likely? much like the cyanide in that dude's mid flight tea
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May 24, 2023 13:53
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Oh no, they *are* hanging out with Nazis now
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May 24, 2023 13:56
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1661354313296273411 Nothing to see here. New pope got elected.
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May 24, 2023 14:16
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https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1661313281930215426 Ban the morning sky next for being anti-Russian too 
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May 24, 2023 14:42
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1661313281930215426 N...nooo! The 90s X-Men cartoon!
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May 24, 2023 14:52
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Another day another border incursion. It is interesting knowing that the border regions are extremely sparsely populated with troops. Couple BMPs, a BTR or two and a small infantry garrison. So of course when the pro freedom Russians moved in it was extremely easy to overtake said garrison's. Another interesting little factoid about this is they literally rolled the buk missiles out as soon as the fighting started. Probably because they're so limited in their air defense capabilities that these are absolutely necessary and cannot be given to the enemy. Ukraine has capped a lot of artillery in the last few days, which is the last bastion of Russia being able to project force in the region. So hitting all these artillery systems will be a major boon in the coming offensive. As a side what will be an even bigger Boone is the fact that Russia may not have control of its border anymore LOL
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May 24, 2023 14:58
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Some people have said Putin is a fascist dictator. But would a fascist dictator have open borders, hmm? --Michael Tracey
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May 24, 2023 15:13
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https://twitter.com/business/status/1661371606432718855
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Are they testing out different propaganda tactic? Everything is no longer a smoking incident? Really interesting what actually happened there. I still kind of doubt Ukraine would put the Patriot that close.
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