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Right, so ‘Croc was a woman’ theory comes from what the posters above describe. The ‘Croc is Luffy’s mom’ comes from the idea that Croc acts oddly during Marineford after it’s revealed that Luffy is Dragon’s son. He takes more risks to protect Luffy after that, like defending him from Akainu. Some claim Croc’s actions here are out of character… unless Croc just learned Luffy is his son
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CommunityEdition posted:The entire setup seems tailor-made to kill any ambition among the Celestial Dragons. Nothing to aspire to, nothing that ever needs to be worked for, not even any reason to be able to defend oneself competently. Charlos pretty clearly dreams of enslaving a mermaid I wonder if Charlos looks like someone Oda knows in real life and he's giving them the Dante Aligheiri treatment.
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May 24, 2023 15:02
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Crocodile can’t be Luffy’s mother because Ivankov didn’t know Dragon had a son.
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May 24, 2023 15:06
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MorningMoon posted:I think a recent-ish SBS said there were no comics? But there are basically illustrated books, just more like one drawing next to a page of text. Sora, Warrior of the Sea is an in-universe comic strip
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May 24, 2023 15:07
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Scholtz posted:I wonder if Charlos looks like someone Oda knows in real life and he's giving them the Dante Aligheiri treatment. I don't know about Charlos but IIRC Whitebeard was based on a real life bartender Oda used to know who was dying/died of some terminal disease.
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MorningMoon posted:I think a recent-ish SBS said there were no comics? But there are basically illustrated books, just more like one drawing next to a page of text. Germa are famous because they're the bad guys in a comic strip distributed with the World Economic Times. So at least newspaper comics exist, not sure about anything else 
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Right, so ‘Croc was a woman’ theory comes from what the posters above describe. The ‘Croc is Luffy’s mom’ comes from the idea that Croc acts oddly during Marineford after it’s revealed that Luffy is Dragon’s son. He takes more risks to protect Luffy after that, like defending him from Akainu. Some claim Croc’s actions here are out of character… unless Croc just learned Luffy is his son I actually didn't know the mom theory had actual quasi-evidence, I just assumed people were saying it because it'd be funny (it would)
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The impression I got from the "There are picture books but not really Comics" thing was that they're probably more like the comics from like the 1800s where speech bubbles weren't really a thing yet so it was mostly just illustrations with text at the bottom. So like, comics exist in the OP World but they don't just look like Shonen Jump.
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May 24, 2023 16:49
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Apparently speech bubbles explicitly do not exist in One Piece newspaper comics so it's probably like New Yorker cartoons.
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Funky Valentine posted:Apparently speech bubbles explicitly do not exist in One Piece newspaper comics so it's probably like New Yorker cartoons. Luffy would hate that poo poo
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May 24, 2023 16:53
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Makes me wonder what political cartoons are like in a world where the government can kill you for the slightest offense and there’s an entire group of people who are completely above the law
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In chapter 1045 Kaido specifically describes Gear Fifth as “It’s like something from a comic strip” but the exact wording could be a translation thing because I remember the fanlation not explicitly saying comic strip. Also Gear Fifth owns, can’t wait for it to be animated.
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Drakkel posted:The impression I got from the "There are picture books but not really Comics" thing was that they're probably more like the comics from like the 1800s where speech bubbles weren't really a thing yet so it was mostly just illustrations with text at the bottom. So like, comics exist in the OP World but they don't just look like Shonen Jump. so you're saying in one piece they only have cover pages
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Right, so ‘Croc was a woman’ theory comes from what the posters above describe. The ‘Croc is Luffy’s mom’ comes from the idea that Croc acts oddly during Marineford after it’s revealed that Luffy is Dragon’s son. He takes more risks to protect Luffy after that, like defending him from Akainu. Some claim Croc’s actions here are out of character… unless Croc just learned Luffy is his son
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Larryb posted:Makes me wonder what political cartoons are like in a world where the government can kill you for the slightest offense and there’s an entire group of people who are completely above the law
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Larryb posted:Makes me wonder what political cartoons are like in a world where the government can kill you for the slightest offense and there’s an entire group of people who are completely above the law The One Piece world actually has somewhat more de facto press freedom than you give it credit for; we've seen that while Morgans twists the truth, he does it based on his own choices and doesn't let even CP0 strongarm him into writing something. Also, I assume that in addition to global newspapers like the World Economic Times, there are other newspapers with a more regional focus. I'm sure there are East Blue newspapers with political cartoons about politicians from East Blue countries.
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There's a pirate with a 300 million bounty because they refuse to stop replacing the World Government's political cartoon captions with "Nika, what an rear end in a top hat" and slipping  a  to publish it.
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luchadornado posted:- One Piece has a lot of similarities to Miyazaki's Castle in the Sky, which is a known thing I guess, but I just realized it after my kid was watching the movie Mind elaborating on this? It's been really, really long since I've watched that
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tbp posted:Mind elaborating on this? It's been really, really long since I've watched that Videos like this can do a way better job than I could. I just noticed it and went looking and found that lots of other people have spent way more time than I did thinking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8aUeauvURk
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luchadornado posted:Videos like this can do a way better job than I could. I just noticed it and went looking and found that lots of other people have spent way more time than I did thinking about it.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There is definitely something going on because Crocodile's only previously declared interest was that he hated Whitebeard, so it's strange that he effectively joined the battle on Whitebeard's side (and there's no obvious reason he'd go to bat for the kid who put him in jail). It could just be that he has a strong link with Dragon though, we don't really know anything about either of their pasts. I mean his grudge against Whitebeard is that Whitebeard beat him up, like he did a lot of challengers, and Croc is very prideful and it rankles him and he wants revenge. Which is why he Croc immediately guns for Whitebeard as soon as soon as the Impel Down gang reach Marineford. But he also acknowledges Whitebeard's strength and presumably has some amount of begrudging respect for Whitebeard because Whitebeard is literally The Emperor. Like yeah there are 4 of them but Whitebeard was the original, the guy who could have become Pirate King if he wanted to. Pretty much every pirate in the world fears or respects Whitebeard, or both. Which is why he's shocked when it's revealed that Whitebeard's condition has deteriorated to the point where Squardo can stab him. But Croc doesn't really like the Marines. Why would he? Pirates and Marines don't get along, plus Croc was fuckin' arrested and sent to Impel Down by them (never mind that he destabilized a kingdom and caused wanton civilian deaths indirectly by instigating a civil war). And by the time Croc decides to fight the Marines, Whitebeard's already pretty much half-dead and Ace is dead, the Marines have pretty much got this war in the bag. Croc doesn't like Luffy, but he doesn't want the Marines to keep getting Ws in the war. So he decides to help Luffy escape as a gently caress you to the Marines. I feel like there doesn't really need to be big, deep reasons. Like, sure, there could be, but I never came off feeling like Croc was actin' out of character during the war. He and Mr. 2 were literally 2 vs everyone (Whitebeard Pirates, the other Warlords - namely Doffy and Mihawk, and the Marines). The only people Croc didn't fight during Marineford were his fellow Impel Down escapees, I think.
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I mean, Crocodile explicitly said that he doesn't want to see the Marine got another "win" if they managed to kill Luffy, after the deaths of Whitebeard and Ace. That's a pretty good reason for him to defend Luffy.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I feel like there doesn't really need to be big, deep reasons. Like, sure, there could be, but I never came off feeling like Croc was actin' out of character during the war. He and Mr. 2 were literally 2 vs everyone (Whitebeard Pirates, the other Warlords - namely Doffy and Mihawk, and the Marines). The only people Croc didn't fight during Marineford were his fellow Impel Down escapees, I think. You mean Mr. 1, since Mr. 2 sacrificed themselves back at Impel Down, but yeah it can be confusing.
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Scholtz posted:Charlos pretty clearly dreams of enslaving a mermaid And in normal circumstances, he would have achieved that twice over by now. It is, supposedly, deeply unusual for a Celestial Dragon to be denied like this (or assaulted, for that matter). See also: Kuma being rented out by the World Government. Possibly an established solution to there not being enough of something to satisfy all of the Celestial Dragons who desire it?
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Mraagvpeine posted:You mean Mr. 1, since Mr. 2 sacrificed themselves back at Impel Down, but yeah it can be confusing. Oh right yeah you are right.
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Funky Valentine posted:"Ace, I won't go after Teach...OR MAYBE I WILL BROTHER" No sidebread for Squard Beef Jerky Robot fucked around with this message at 04:46 on May 26, 2023 |
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A random musing. Sugar's powers stop working if she's rendered unconscious. So, did her fruit grant her the ability to also not have to sleep as well as the toy powers and the stopping of her aging? You'd think that Sugar having to sleep would be asked in a SBS or something.
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Cornwind Evil posted:A random musing. Falling asleep and getting knocked out/fainting are very different states, so her power only disables on the latter.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:And by the time Croc decides to fight the Marines, Whitebeard's already pretty much half-dead and Ace is dead, the Marines have pretty much got this war in the bag. Croc doesn't like Luffy, but he doesn't want the Marines to keep getting Ws in the war. So he decides to help Luffy escape as a gently caress you to the Marines. Croc helps out before that. He saves Ace from being executed at one point. IIRC that's the point where he says "Whitebeard can wait, gently caress the Marines". Another explanation for Crocs actions that I've seen is that Luffy helped rekindle his ambition and made him want to fight for something else again. But personally, I'm all in on Crocomom because it's the funniest explanation.
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i think it's more that crocodile gets blocked from a proper rematch with whitebeard and after the backstab he realizes that any win against him essentially now belongs to the marines and he wants to deny them that hence his "you used to be stronger than this" meltdown
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Wellwinds posted:i think it's more that crocodile gets blocked from a proper rematch with whitebeard and after the backstab he realizes that any win against him essentially now belongs to the marines and he wants to deny them that I mean, in a proper rematch, even after Whitebeard was stabbed by Squard and taking into account Crocodile getting back in shape in prison, Crocodile would still clearly lose. So I’m not sure what Crocodile was trying to accomplish, exactly. The best Crocodile could have hoped for was dealing the final blow on an already-mostly-dead Whitebeard the way Blackbeard ended up doing. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 14:40 on May 26, 2023 |
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Silver2195 posted:I mean, in a proper rematch, even after Whitebeard was stabbed by Squard and taking into account Crocodile getting back in shape in prison, Crocodile would still clearly lose. So I’m not sure what Crocodile was trying to accomplish, exactly.
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I like Crocodile as a Kuja empress since we have a gap between Shaky and Hancock
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