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Gyges posted:All the recent poo poo against gay and trans people seems to not be a signifier of changing sentiments in the population, but rather the assholes being unable to shut the gently caress up anymore. Sort of like how Trump didn't make racists spring into existence, he made them feel like it was once again socially acceptable to be shitheads. It seems like it's the dying gasps of the religious right after most people thought we'd won so they took their eye off the ball. Part of it is also that the right-wing propagandists are getting bolder about spreading wildly false claims that are carefully calibrated to absolutely enrage anyone who doesn't realize they're completely nonsensical. For example, right-wing media is currently abuzz with claims that Target is partnering with Satanists to sell tuck-friendly swimsuits to infants as part of the CEO's mission to reform society through "woke capitalism". Every part of that narrative is bullshit, of course. For instance, the "satanism" claims are based on the fact that Target carries clothes from a designer that made a "Satan Respects Pronouns" T-shirt. But anyone who's primed to actually believe those claims is also the type of person to get absolutely batshit furious about it. Calling this the "dying gasps of the religious right", though, misses the mark. Particularly when it comes to transphobia, plenty of people outside those circles have shown a distinct receptiveness to transphobic narratives. For example, center-left outlets like the New York Times have run a number of trans-unfriendly articles, particularly focusing on sympathetic perspective endorsing the complaints of transphobic parents of school-aged trans children. That's what really makes this so dangerous. The openly hateful anti-trans lobby is the biggest threat, but they're able to operate relatively freely because of the much larger moderate cohort that criticizes their approach but sympathizes with their concerns.
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GlyphGryph posted:I do want to note that there is sometimes value in making material harder to learn than necessary, so long as its done correctly. Often times the material is an excuse, a medium, moreso than the actual learning goal, or there are parallel learning goals, where learning something the easy way would be counterproductive because it would mean you are only learning the material and not those other skills. I think it's worth pointing out because it seems to be a common and negative side effect of poorly thought out reforms, a focus on learning the material in the syllabus as quickly and easily as possible and not the actual skills the material is in the syllabus to help you develop. In that case, though, the goal isn't really to learn 'x' but to use 'x' to make 'y' more approachable, and thus easier to learn. The issue comes up when 'x' is taught in grade n and 'y' is taught in grade n+1, and the grade n teachers are only judged on learning 'x'. That doesn't mean the goal isn't to make learning as easy as possible, just that the metrics are assessing the wrong thing. You always have to consider long term goals holistically, and when you do that, it's pretty much always a true statement. KillHour fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 24, 2023 |
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KillHour posted:You always have to consider long term goals holistically, and when you do that, it's pretty much always a true statement. Yeah that was mostly just an attempt to remind people for the purpose of discussion that they should be doing that because, well... most people, including the ones who make big important education systems, don't seem to actually do that all that much.
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Professor Beetus posted:I wish people would stop saying this poo poo I would really like to know what base that claim even has anyway. Wouldn't an idealogy in its dying gasps be fading, not stronger than it's ever been in my conscious lifetime and having utterly terrifying ramifications? If fascist and bigoted ideologies are fading so much, why are they so prominent and why are they succeeding despite opposition? poo poo's scary as hell right now. It's always been messed up but it feels like, since 2016, nothing makes any sense anymore.
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May 24, 2023 04:51
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Framboise posted:I would really like to know what base that claim even has anyway. Wouldn't an idealogy in its dying gasps be fading, not stronger than it's ever been in my conscious lifetime and having utterly terrifying ramifications? If fascist and bigoted ideologies are fading so much, why are they so prominent and why are they succeeding despite opposition? I think the idea is something along the lines of "They've got their back against the wall and what's going on now is just some desperation flailing and wild swinging. Sure, they may get a few shots in, but we all know they're not winning this one." Which is depressingly false, much as we'd like to believe otherwise.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:About the ramifications of the Bud Light boycott. It's a symptom of a larger problem but not the problem itself. I'm not sure what you want me to admit since it just proves my point that corporations are craven opportunists who will throw away all their ostentatious but shallow displays of support for LGBT people if they threaten shareholder value.
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The analogy I've seen is more like an extinction burst - when a behaviour is dying, there will be a cluster of final extreme attempts for it to survive, and if it succeed even once it will come back reinforced and stronger than ever. In this case though I don't think that's accurate either.
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All that means is that they're not a majority anymore, which just means it behooves them to seize every avenue of power available to them rather than rely on cultural momentum and pressure to enforce their beliefs. The 'dying gasp' narrative just makes people think they can win by sitting back and doing nothing. They cannot.
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Framboise posted:I would really like to know what base that claim even has anyway. Wouldn't an idealogy in its dying gasps be fading, not stronger than it's ever been in my conscious lifetime and having utterly terrifying ramifications? If fascist and bigoted ideologies are fading so much, why are they so prominent and why are they succeeding despite opposition? Most famously, the Civil War was the dying gasp of chattel slavery. It happened when slave owners realized that they would never again have the same political or economic control over the country that they once did and that future growth was going to leave them behind so they had to grasp whatever power they could while they still had the strength left to do so. And the actual rebellion itself came on on the heels of years of increasing political manipulation and gaming the system by slavers as they (temporarily) compensated for growing industrialization, immigration, and abolitionism that made their opposition stronger. Given what happened then, and how incomplete their defeat was, it would be reasonable to be scared by rich, well-armed fascists seeing the same sort of countdown the slavers did. Most people seem to grasp that reasonably well: the idea that fascism is a dying ideology seems to mostly be used by people calling to hold fast and strike back, as an argument against despairing calls that Andrew Tate has controlled the minds of the zoomers and the children are full fash or whatever.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The 'dying gasp' narrative just makes people think they can win by sitting back and doing nothing. They cannot. Killer robot posted:Most famously, the Civil War was the dying gasp of chattel slavery. ... Given what happened then, and how incomplete their defeat was, it would be reasonable to be scared by rich, well-armed fascists seeing the same sort of countdown the slavers did. Yeah, "This is a dying ideology" or "This is a dying party" is a ... factual statement, especially profound when it comes to generational demographics (Any generation below the baby boomers is majority opposed to the right wing, and gen z is both remarkably hostile to them by wide margin and has voter engagement greatly exceeding previous generations at similar ages) and regional demographics (I'm not even sure republicans still have a mayor in any single american city with a population a bit over a million) But it should be treated with the same caution and very clear caveats as "This is a dying star, in its last gasps!" - you don't want to suggest to people any sort of implied harmlessness or inevitability. conservative or authoritarian political or popular bases do NOT become less dangerous as their traditional means to holding power begin to evaporate around them. The party as a whole has mostly woken up to the fact that they have to subvert democracy to survive, and they're showing every indication that they plan to follow that trend as far as they can, and they have seriously powerful tools for antidemocratic minority rulership lockdown through systems like the Senate and the Electoral College.
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Authoritarian regimes around the globe have done exactly what is happening in America multiple times in the last decades. They support democratic outcomes as long as they win. If they start losing, they dismantle democracy until they win again. Like gerrymandering. Or voter suppression. Or capture of media apparatus turning them into outright propaganda. Or threats of/acts of violence and intimidation at the polls and poll workers. Or re-writing the political structure to remove power from the winning faction. Or restructuring the judicial system to cement power outside of elections. Would be really concerning if we lived in a country where those things were happening on the regular, as well as accelerating in frequency and intensity. Thinking the Republican party is a "dying" party correctly identifies that it is not majority popular, while completely ignoring historical precedent that it doesn't need to be. This playbook has been written before and we're going through the exact same steps. It's going to get worse.
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You do get the occasional funny one like Bolivia where a popular leftist government gets couped and the genocidal fascists forget to properly rig the next election, so they get blown out by the same government and locked up, with nothing to do but whine and eat takeout in their prison cells.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You do get the occasional funny one like Bolivia where a popular leftist government gets couped and the genocidal fascists forget to properly rig the next election, so they get blown out by the same government and locked up, with nothing to do but whine and eat takeout in their prison cells.
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May 24, 2023 14:40
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We're at roughly 4 days before there needs to be some action on the debt ceiling (when factoring in the 72-hour delay in the House) and, for the first time in decades, some corporate bonds are now trading at a yield discount to treasuries bonds. That means that so many people are pulling their money out of treasuries and taking a hit to their yield to put the money in corporate bonds because they think Microsoft will pay its debts, but the U.S. government might not. The worst part of a default is all the people failing to get paid, which could snowball into multiple SVB bank collapses where companies and banks who were heavily invested in treasuries because they were safe are unable to make payments, which would set off another chain reaction of businesses and employees who depend on those banks and businesses not getting paid. The second worst thing is the part of treasuries that make them so desirable for everyone in the world (the trust and confidence that this is such a guaranteed investment and there is a 100% you will get paid back the interest you were promised, even over 30 years, that you are willing to loan money to the U.S. at extremely low rates because it is your "safe spot") going away. That will lead to a lot of uncertainty and lower returns for everyone else and more expensive debt for the U.S. https://www.wsj.com/articles/debt-ceiling-fight-sends-investors-hunting-for-new-havens-45ea55e6
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May 24, 2023 14:54
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Aren't the business types leaning on the republican leaders about now normally?
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Alctel posted:Aren't the business types leaning on the republican leaders about now normally? The Chamber of Commerce sent out a letter not that long ago basically saying that the WH needs to cave
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FlamingLiberal posted:They have been doing the opposite
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The CoC is 100% just a GOP partisan outfit these days so it didn’t really shock me
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Alctel posted:Aren't the business types leaning on the republican leaders about now normally? The way I understand it it's the Freedom Caucus that are the real hostage takers and McCarthy and the business friendly Republicans want a deal done. Just another instance of the falcon no longer hearing the falconer. The new generation doesn't understand that the kayfabe was supposed to be in service of business interest and not something you literally believe and act on.
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is pepsi ok posted:The way I understand it it's the Freedom Caucus that are the real hostage takers and McCarthy and the business friendly Republicans want a deal done. Also McCarthy put himself in a position where he can't use the Democrats to get him over the finish line lest he removed as speaker.
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Debt ceiling talks have collapsed and there are currently no plans to restart them. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1661382932303429642 There are also finally some details on the talks. The big hold ups seem to be: 1) Biden is offering a spending freeze for two years, but only at FY23 levels. Because so much covid aid is going to expire and FY23 was an exceptionally high spending year, this would still allow for them to increase discretionary funding because the covid money would be going away regardless and you can fill those holes with new money while still maintaining the "old" top level spending totals. It may lead to small overall cuts in FY24 if it isn't indexed to inflation. The Republicans know that this "freeze" actually lets them spend more discretionary money, so they are obviously against it and not falling for it. quote:McCarthy reiterated that Republicans want to spend less than the country spent in 2023. Asked how much less, he said, "That’s part of the negotiating. Democrats don’t even want to spend less, they want to spend more." McCarthy wants spending levels at FY21 as a baseline + cuts to that baseline that would effectively be about a 12% cut form current levels. About half of the amount in the House bill they already passed. 2) Biden is willing to give McCarthy even more budget cuts ($100 billion per year for the next 10 years, totaling $1 trillion over a decade), but he wants them to be paired with revenue increases and something else he can tout as a win to be added to the deal - specifically expanding on the IRA provision that allowed Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices to allow them to negotiate larger discounts and for a larger amount of drugs. House Republicans are saying that Biden doesn't have leverage to demand policy changes that he wants, so McCarthy should not give him any because it will just lose Republican votes and get them bogged down in negotiating over things other than spending levels. They have also ruled out anything that would involve revenue increases. So, McCarthy has rejected it. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1661052281867968513 Not clear what the path forward is right now, but the only options are: A) Short-term debt ceiling extension (McCarthy has ruled out, but several moderate Republicans have said they are sticking with McCarthy as long as they think a deal is in sight. Afterwards, they might be open to other options to buy time or delay). B) Some kind of deal being constructed and agreed upon without negotiations. C) A brief default followed by some kind of emergency measures (14th amendment and Treasury holding back payments to the U.S. government to pay out others) and litigation. They have about 4 days left to get a vote on something and the Senate is going on recess for Memorial day next week. It still seems hard to believe that we would actually default and resort to emergency measures/short-term economic chaos/Supreme Court. I think the most likely scenario is both sides cave a little and take a bad deal (that is still a win for Republicans) where they don't specify what is going to be cut and just kick that can down the road until September where they will have to fight over that. Either that or some moderate Republicans break for a short-term extension to avoid default, but still keep the hostage negotiations going. If they (somehow) end up basing any projections on FY23, then that would be a huge loss for the Republicans, which is why it almost certainly won't happen. That means any potential deal is really going to be about the specifics and in the grand scheme of things, any deal - even a relatively good one - is still a victory for Republicans using the debt ceiling as leverage. quote:WASHINGTON — Negotiations over how to address the debt limit to avoid a catastrophic default have hit a "speed bump," a Democratic official familiar with the talks told NBC News on Wednesday. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 24, 2023 |
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Alctel posted:Aren't the business types leaning on the republican leaders about now normally? This worked in pre completely nihilist GOP times.
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I just don’t see a reason for the GOP to back down. They already have Biden making concessions. If they don’t think he’s going to invoke the 14th then they can just wait. They also have no problem going over the cliff because they think it’s win-win for them in the end.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just don’t see a reason for the GOP to back down. They already have Biden making concessions. If they don’t think he’s going to invoke the 14th then they can just wait. They also have no problem going over the cliff because they think it’s win-win for them in the end. I mean, Biden's "concession" is to keep spending level or increase taxes and the Republicans don't want either and at some point. I don't what more they can want at this point.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean, Biden's "concession" is to keep spending level or increase taxes and the Republicans don't want either and at some point. I don't what more they can want at this point.
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is pepsi ok posted:.... oh thanks for another metaphor synonym to add to my toolset, i've been using also I like how the falcons here also includes some billionaires themselves like musk.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean, Biden's "concession" is to keep spending level or increase taxes and the Republicans don't want either and at some point. I don't what more they can want at this point.
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Dianne Feinstein's staff are going to ever-increasing lengths to keep up the appearance that she's functional in her job, according to the LA Times:quote:Since her recent return, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and her staff have used every trick in the book to stay out of sight and at a distance from the press. I can't imagine she'll be in much better shape after the Senate's 5-week summer break from the end of July into September. That would seem to be an ideal time for her to resign & allow Newsom to appoint a replacement or at least a placeholder like Boxer for the following 15-18 months.
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Specifically, their "red lines" are: - No clean debt ceiling bill. - Any spending caps must be longer than 2 years. - No revenue increases. - No cuts to defense spending, Social Security, or Medicare. - Work requirements for Medicaid and SNAP. - Actual spending has to be cut. No accounting gimmicks where the cut is not indexing to inflation or using FY23 figures where you can actually spend more money on discretionary programs because of budget wonkery. The exact amount they will accept is variable. A lot of this seems to be posturing for negotiations, because even the worst imaginable cave by Biden possible that would get support in the Senate wouldn't include all of those "red lines" and if they are truly a red line, then it means you won't accept it.
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Zamujasa posted:what was that poo poo about elon from some poo poo newspaper? "his politics are just so mysterious" or whatever The line from the Paper of Record™ is that his politics are "inscrutable" and this after he had announced his support of DeSantis and endorsed Republicans in the midterm and restored all the white supremacist twitter accounts. Musk has always been this but prior to 2022 he did make an effort to appear to appeal more to the liberals who were buying up his cars. He claims to have voted for Obama, Clinton, and Biden and his political donations have always been mixed (and clearly just determined by his business interests).
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Also playing fiscal cliff chicken with a side that won't blink (because they're stupid enough to think its a good idea to destroy the US and Global economy just to own the libs) is, unfortunately, a losing proposition. Also McCarthy is solely focused on remaining speaker so he dare not do anything that makes the sedition caucus try to replace him. Frankly I don't see a way out of this without a concession of some kind because one side is not negotiating in good faith, as usual.
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Angry_Ed posted:Also playing fiscal cliff chicken with a side that won't blink (because they're stupid enough to think its a good idea to destroy the US and Global economy just to own the libs) is, unfortunately, a losing proposition. Tell the terrorists you won't negotiate and they can go gently caress themselves sideways, put the 14th amendment before the courts and dare them to detonate the global economy. That pack of ghouls is the closest thing we have left to people who understand the Republican long con which is a really loving dire state of affairs, but house/senate Republicans have proven over and over for decades now they're not participating in the system of governance anymore. Every concession these lunatics get is confirmation that they can get more next time by doing the same thing, only harder.
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bird food bathtub posted:Tell the terrorists you won't negotiate and they can go gently caress themselves sideways, put the 14th amendment before the courts and dare them to detonate the global economy. That pack of ghouls is the closest thing we have left to people who understand the Republican long con which is a really loving dire state of affairs, but house/senate Republicans have proven over and over for decades now they're not participating in the system of governance anymore. Every concession these lunatics get is confirmation that they can get more next time by doing the same thing, only harder.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This is all correct but the Biden people are too cowardly to do it I dunno, I don't take the Biden administration for a group of political masterminds, but sitting down with McCarthy only for McCarthy to make a loud show of walking away is pretty much the outcome they could have hoped for while on the precipice of a crisis that McCarthy demanded.
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Willa Rogers posted:Dianne Feinstein's staff are going to ever-increasing lengths to keep up the appearance that she's functional in her job, according to the LA Times: Let's be honest, her resigning is putting the staffers that control her out of a job and lose power. So that's probably not going to happen. They're not going to stop until they are forced to stop. It's probably legitimate elder abuse at this point.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Let's be honest, her resigning is putting the staffers that control her out of a job and lose power. So that's probably not going to happen. They're not going to stop until they are forced to stop. That, and hasn't she herself said (during her lucid moments) that they'd pretty much have to pry the job out of her cold dead hands?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Cry for the coin that never was I want my Trillion Trump bux.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Let's be honest, her resigning is putting the staffers that control her out of a job and lose power. So that's probably not going to happen. They're not going to stop until they are forced to stop.
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