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Phone posting from day 7 into my "go un-winterize the cabin via the most convoluted route possible" trip of various Finnish military history museums I've never really bothered to visit before. I've not yet looked thru my photos/clips, but in case they are not complete arse, what's the go-to service for hosting a bunch of still shots and short mp4s (video, not necessarily sound)? I heard Imgur was not necessarily the top choice any more. Thinking about making a few posts highlighting potentially interesting tidbits, maybe in a travelogue style. Still on the road, tho, so don't expect anything for a while.
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Scratch Monkey posted:https://twitter.com/poppy_haze/status/1660073041982808064 Schneller Heinz indeed.
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May 24, 2023 15:58
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Loezi posted:I heard Imgur was not necessarily the top choice any more. AFAIK imgur is fine as long as you post from an account.
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May 24, 2023 16:00
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Xakura posted:AFAIK imgur is fine as long as you post from an account. you can also attach files up to 1mb directly onto these here forums, and then Jeff & Astral don't have another batch of imgur links to try and salvage down the road. I believe they're working on an actual organic hosting solution that's a bit more robust. I'll admit I can be pretty lazy about this myself with dumb shitpost replies (the Skorzeny pic up above is imgur) but it's not hard. Here's a random shitoposty thing I had lying around from some other thread that I threw up using the attachment thing:
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May 24, 2023 17:42
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Cyrano4747 posted:you can also attach files up to 1mb directly onto these here forums, and then Jeff & Astral don't have another batch of imgur links to try and salvage down the road. Testing E: Well gently caress the thing doesn't even show up in the "edit" window so I can't make it a [timg]
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May 24, 2023 17:58
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Guderian is a hilarious figure because he spent the post-war doing self-promotion and convinced a bunch of boomers that he invented armoured warfare and was the greatest leader in the German military. You don't need to make fanfiction about him crying and pooping his pants when his actual service record is pathetic. He participated in the Battle of France, and then got sacked in 1941 because he hosed up really bad at Tula. Imagine getting fired before Barbarossa even ended! It's like two years before the endsieg starts!
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May 24, 2023 20:32
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Guderian is a hilarious figure because he spent the post-war doing self-promotion and convinced a bunch of boomers that he invented armoured warfare and was the greatest leader in the German military. You don't need to make fanfiction about him crying and pooping his pants when his actual service record is pathetic. He participated in the Battle of France, and then got sacked in 1941 because he hosed up really bad at Tula. Imagine getting fired before Barbarossa even ended! It's like two years before the endsieg starts! A lot of the famous names of WWII were just really good self-promotors, the Germans were just the most notorious/best at it. On the Soviet side Zhukov was very guilty of taking credit for everything as well, which is why during the post-war period he was really disliked by other red army Marshals. And played a part in why both Stalin and Khrushchev was able to bust him down from top tier command to relatively insignificant post like the Ural military district or whatever
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May 24, 2023 21:06
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Which guys lived up to their hype?
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May 24, 2023 21:07
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Nessus posted:Which guys lived up to their hype? Rokossovsky and Vasilevsky
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May 24, 2023 21:08
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Nessus posted:Which guys lived up to their hype? Spruance, though I don't know if he got hype
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May 24, 2023 21:11
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Worst case of bad general but great self-promotor was Douglas MacArthur His nickname "Dugout Doug" was originally given to him because he would just hide out in dugouts during battle. But he made it sound like that made him some sort of battle god who was "in the trenches" all the time. utter imcompetent baffoon but was great at being media darling cuz he wore sunglasses and smoked that cigar, despite his service record being a bunch of disasters also he was a Republican in an era when the Republicans really really wanted a war hero to run against the New Deal Democrats, so he had political cover: accusations of imcompetence can always just be chalked up to butthurt libs who didn't like great american hero "dugout doug" also if you look at photos of him where he didn't have sunglasses/cigar he looked like a massive dork who wore uniform which was like 2 sizes too big for him 
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May 24, 2023 21:13
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Where do you rank Patton on the promoter v competency scale
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May 24, 2023 21:22
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zoux posted:Where do you rank Patton on the promoter v competency scale Patton was very good at his job with a few missteps but he wasn't the legend he got built into after his death.
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May 24, 2023 22:08
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Patton was very good at his job with a few missteps but he wasn't the legend he got built into after his death. Patton was a pretty good American general but does not match up to his legend his success also had to do with an annoying tendency to just outright steal supply meant for units other than his 3rd army. Which he got away with due to his reputation The US just in general rarely produce army geniuses (but does have some great admirals). The only American general that I would say ranks among the top tier of leaders is Winfield Scott. Maybe it has to do with how America fights its land wars: which tend to emphasize achieving material superiority. I mean it's effective in winning conventional wars, but you don't have an American Suvorov nor an American Napoleon. Typo fucked around with this message at 23:11 on May 24, 2023 |
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May 24, 2023 23:05
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what about Rommel for hype v actual skill?
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May 24, 2023 23:12
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Kvlt! posted:what about Rommel for hype v actual skill? hype Rommel would do poo poo like drive around the battlefield and start directing individual artillery units and start micromanaging his subordinates which goes against the entire idea of mission based objectives and letting local commanders take their own iniative, and if he's driving around the battlefield being gungho he's prob not doing his job as overall commander at the same time he was a pretty good tactician but not a very good strategic commander, wasn't great on logistics either. He prob would have faired better a big lower on the command chain.
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Typo posted:Patton was a pretty good American general but does not match up to his legend America tending to fight its land wars generally in the post-napoleonic era is a major factor yeah
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Also gently caress Rommel for getting "the good nazi" rep Yeah he was great, weird how all those libyan and egyptian jews disappeared when his noble non-nazi completely just proud german DAK rolled by
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May 24, 2023 23:23
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Typo posted:A lot of the famous names of history were just really good self-promotors
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Loezi posted:Testing hell yeah the myrsky!
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May 24, 2023 23:55
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Why would you divorce the assessment of a general from the material factors that are very much relevant to operational and strategic planning?
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Kvlt! posted:what about Rommel for hype v actual skill? https://www.historynet.com/intercepted-communications-for-field-marshal-erwin-rommel/ And it’s good he tried to kill Hitler, but only when the writing was on the wall, he was just fine with Nazi atrocities.
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Remulak posted:
I mean, he didn't. That's the problem. His attitude was that he didn't love Hitler, but it would be a violation of his oath and immoral to grt involved.
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He had the cool blue zaku with a sword and gunhand.
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SlothfulCobra posted:He had the cool blue zaku with a sword and gunhand. This is no Panzer III, no mark III!
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Remulak posted:His great tactical successes were only due a dipshit American friend of MacArthur sending detailed poorly encrypted daily updates. Well considering the Allies spent a huge amount of the war reading their enemies messages you could claim the same for most allied generals. And Rommel did clown on multiple allied commanders who were reading his messages. Which he’d lied to his own high command in, hence helping foil the intel, but he didn’t know that.
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Typo posted:Patton was a pretty good American general but does not match up to his legend Is it because the US rarely produces geniuses or is it because the circumstances in which they fought didn't allow for their potential genius to show itself?
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MikeC posted:Is it because the US rarely produces geniuses or is it because the circumstances in which they fought didn't allow for their potential genius to show itself? I’m sorry but that sounds an awful lot like someone talking about what an amazing saxophone career they’d have had if only their parents had supported them more.
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May 25, 2023 03:30
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m sorry but that sounds an awful lot like someone talking about what an amazing saxophone career they’d have had if only their parents had supported them more. The opposite actually. If you are a US commander with all the resources at his disposal and deployed it all appropriately against an outmatched enemy, you will never be declared a 'genius' because you were expected to win. Military genius needs a mix of opportunities and circumstances to show off their skill. Would Alexander be rated as a genius if the material resources between him and Darius were inverted? Still had the same mind but history would likely have judged him differently.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m sorry but that sounds an awful lot like someone talking about what an amazing saxophone career they’d have had if only their parents had supported them more. "If not for all that material support and overwhelming air and artillery, I would have shown my tactical and strategic genius" was my reading
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May 25, 2023 03:40
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The concept of military genius also involves a political edge and degree of individual celebrity that doesn't seem to be part of the cultural discourse of the US military. Like, people say things like that about George Washington...
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May 25, 2023 03:40
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Really the problem here is that nobody ever talks about brilliant logistics officers.
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Arrath posted:"If not for all that material support and overwhelming air and artillery, I would have shown my tactical and strategic genius" was my reading Norman Schwarzkopf should have kept the USAF on the ground and sent the Marines home to show how didn't need the help.
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CommonShore posted:The concept of military genius also involves a political edge and degree of individual celebrity that doesn't seem to be part of the cultural discourse of the US military. Oh I don't know. A lot of people were ready to annoint General Petraeus president before his affair scandal, and he barely even accomplished anything. Edit: Oh George. wikipedia posted:In his memoirs, President Bush likened his selection of Petraeus to the elevations of other great generals of American history, writing, "Lincoln discovered Generals Grant and Sherman. Roosevelt had Eisenhower and Bradley. I found David Petraeus and Ray Odierno."[103][104] Randallteal fucked around with this message at 03:54 on May 25, 2023 |
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CommonShore posted:The concept of military genius also involves a political edge and degree of individual celebrity that doesn't seem to be part of the cultural discourse of the US military. Washington was a piece of poo poo human that arguably started the 7 years war to increase colonialism AND was an unusually evil slave owner that had enslaved peoples’s teeth ripped out to go into his dentures. But he could retreat well and was really tall.
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Remulak posted:Washington was a piece of poo poo human that arguably started the 7 years war to increase colonialism AND was an unusually evil slave owner that had enslaved peoples’s teeth ripped out to go into his dentures. Yeah but all of that doesn't change that there's a popular perception among that he was a genius general. Maybe we can flip the discussion a bit - how many "Genius Generals" are there who don't have some kind of political/popular value attached to them? Even someone like Beliasarius, who was decidedly subordinate to Justinian, gained enough popularity that Justinian had to treat it as a threat.
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CommonShore posted:Yeah but all of that doesn't change that there's a popular perception among that he was a genius general. 
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 this dude thought he was being arrested when they showed up to give him command of the Army of the Potomac 3 days before Gettysburg and even after it sunk in he thought he was being ratfucked into a setup. On the other hand the sheer volume of records available really makes it clear Gettysburg wasn't a one man show by any measure.
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SeanBeansShako posted:This is no Panzer III, no mark III! https://i.imgur.com/8wyPiko.mp4
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What is Overlord if not the most difficult Campaign of WW2 most well executed? e: and if it is, what does it say about the generals who executed it? Alchenar fucked around with this message at 07:27 on May 25, 2023 |
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