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So I just got a Ryzen 5 7600 with a MSI Pro B650-P WIFI motherboard. I've looked around and haven't seen any issues with the MSI products, but looking at the lastest bios update, it's still a beta version. Has anyone heard any issues with the SOC voltages exceeding the cap of 1.3 on this board with EXPO on? Should I just keep EXPO off for now until the update comes out of beta, or am I being too paranoid?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The CPU Tdie does indeed tend to be a little hotter than the CCD Tdie on my 7800X3D. Which I guess means the hot spot is somewhere on the I/O die? That seems odd to me, but I guess that's normal? I have the same thing, 7800x3d with nh-d15s core tempurature maximum never goes above 75, but then ccd1 tdie max will be 6 or 8 degrees higher than that and the cpu tctl/tdie will go into the low 90s but it isn't throttling, coming from intel it's pretty weird, but I keep hearing about how it's normal, I still feel weird about it.
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May 20, 2023 04:50
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Tyrsell posted:or am I being too paranoid? The rumors are that almost all the mobo guys will have BIOS'es with AGESA 1.0.0.7 or better over the next month or so anyways so you won't have to wait too much longer most likely if safety is paramount for you.
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May 20, 2023 04:51
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Zen5 loves memory bandwidth, so youre prolly giving up a noteworthy amount of max FPS potential in most games (based on GN's testing)... but i think i would probably leave expo off and just wait myself if i had a Zen5 platform. Its still really fast, and unless you have a 4090 or somethin, you are likely to be GPU limited in most games anyway. But it is probably fine?
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May 20, 2023 05:02
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You're a year ahead in your reality.
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May 20, 2023 11:13
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Final GN video on ASUS dropped, it's a *spicy* one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJKzKbqxa0A
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May 21, 2023 23:29
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seemed more medium level hotness, but I suppose I'm satisfied for now, wouldn't say I'm back to previous levels of team asus woo, but at least I'm not stressed about my pc anymore.
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May 22, 2023 18:17
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Klyith posted:Save money, re-use your old mobo! My B350 board has a GUI that is so ugly and slow this would be an improvement. That said, I upgraded from a 1600 to a 3800X last year so I don't see a point in any future upgrades unless it's a new system.
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May 22, 2023 23:10
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I took current Microcenter prices and bumped them against the TechPowerUp 4090 1440p FPS average information, sorted by total platform cost per frame. Note that this uses DDR5 for all Intel parts, which kills the otherwise good value of stuff like the 12400, but thats how TPU ran it so thats how i priced it. I also picked the cheapest board on PCPP that i would actually suggest someone use personally, so YMMV. 7600 non-X offers a pretty good value for a new build with its price cuts. DDR4 is really keeping AM4 in the price competitive game, but a lot of titles were dipping sub-100 FPS in TPUs testing with a 4090 at 1440p. Which uh, is still really good frames and is a good reminder that GPU still matters way more. Here are the numbers with the current Microcenter AM5 DDR5 bundles which NOTE: IS BAD DATA. The FPS data is at ddr5-6000 and the bundle is ddr5-5600. IT IS BAD. U SHOULD NOT USE TO COMPARE. BAD. YUCK.  Since the 7600X bundle is only a 16gig stick, I added another. The bundle makes the 7700X bundle pretty competitive, too.
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May 23, 2023 00:36
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If this is using micro center bundles, then you should use the full platform bundles when available, some of which use DDR5-6000. Take this one for instance, which is $450 for a 7700X, 32GB of DDR5-6000, and an MSI B650-P Pro: https://www.microcenter.com/product...ter-build-combo That'd be $2.10 $/frame, putting it in a pretty good position in the chart. There's also a 13700K for $550 (w/ 32GB DDR5-6000) and a 12700K (w/ only 16GB DDR4-3200), both of which are pretty decent deals. https://www.microcenter.com/category/4294833320/computer-build-bundles You may not always want those exact motherboards, but the deals are good enough to be worth compromising a little on mobo selection. edit: if you do include motherboard bundles in any comparison, you'll also have to discount every non-bundled motherboard by $20 since that's the standard cpu+mobo discount at microcenter Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 00:50
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Looking at those charts I’m feeling as good about my 5800x3d as I feel badly about my 3080 10GB.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:If this is using micro center bundles, then you should use the full platform bundles when available, some of which use DDR5-6000. Take this one for instance, which is $450 for a 7700X, 32GB of DDR5-6000, and an MSI B650-P Pro: https://www.microcenter.com/product...ter-build-combo Ah those didnt show up on the CPU pages themselves, they only have direct links to the bundles I showed. Didn't know there were more options. But yeah, feel free to calculate the other bundle values as anyone sees fit! e: ah i see, these are the ones with boards. The ones I listed are the ones that are just straight giving you free ram.
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May 23, 2023 00:54
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Newegg also had some decent Zen 4 + motherboard combos that weren't quite as good as Micro Centers but were still decent, but it seems they dropped those over the weekend, which is a huge bummer. edit: They do actually still have this 7600X platform bundle with 32GB of DDR5-6000 and an MSI Pro B650M-A for $422 after applying the coupon code there, which is... decent? Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:11 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 01:01
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hobbesmaster posted:Looking at those charts I’m feeling as good about my 5800x3d as I feel badly about my 3080 10GB. 3080 10gb is going to have a reasonable lifespan and at worst you are turning textures down a notch a few years after buying it. People buying 12gb cards today are going to face the exact same problem. 3000 series was a much better buy-in point than 2000 or non-4090 4000 series. e: this came across more negative than I meant it, my point was 3080 10gb was as good a buy as any. There was no 1080ti-esque winning gpu choice longterm. They're all going to last about the same amount of time & the 4000 series is on the same price:perf curve as the 3000 series so buying in earlier will get more longevity. Khorne fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 24, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 17:43
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Not sure how I could possibly feel bad about my 3080 10G FE purchased at retail.
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ijyt posted:Not sure how I could possibly feel bad about my 3080 10G FE purchased at retail.
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ijyt posted:Not sure how I could possibly feel bad about my 3080 10G FE purchased at retail. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:13 on May 24, 2023 |
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May 24, 2023 16:00
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My 6750XT has been giving me issues. Does anyone have a AMD CPU+dGPU combo (with outputs connected to the dGPU) that doesn't freeze as soon as Windows tries to log in? When I'm using the iGPU for output with games that support selective rendering, it's working fine - so I don't know if it's PCIe conflicts, or if it's because the dGPU is broken somehow.
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May 24, 2023 16:45
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Yeah I got a 6800xt with a 7800x3d on a recent clean install of win11 and the GPU drivers 24.4.3. Works fine on my end.
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May 24, 2023 19:16
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:My 6750XT has been giving me issues. No issue like that with my 7000 series gpu and 7000 series x3d cpu. I have gone back and forth with iGPU turned on and off in the BIOS and haven't seen that issue in either case.
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May 24, 2023 19:39
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Alright, thanks. I've printed the label and put the graphics card in the box it came in, so it's being RMA'd today. I figure it's that which is responsible, because the iGPU works fine (even if it's not made for gaming).
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May 25, 2023 10:59
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Pretty happy about my 5800X3D / 3080 10GB combo. I don't care about ultra graphics or ray tracing anyway.
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Wibla posted:Pretty happy about my 5800X3D / 3080 10GB combo. I don't care about ultra graphics or ray tracing anyway. Don't let the doomsayers get to you, it's still a mighty capable system that'll last you a while. Poor performance at 10GB of memory is not a GPU problem it is a lovely PC port problem.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Don't let the doomsayers get to you, it's still a mighty capable system that'll last you a while. Poor performance at 10GB of memory is not a GPU problem it is a lovely PC port problem. Tbf the reason behind buying a 5800x3d and 3080 or better GPU is to be able to handle lovely PC ports. As well as broken map games, whether because you broke it through mobs or it was broken out of the box…
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I haven't really been paying attention to comp hardware for a bit, would the 5800x3D be a "good final update" to my AM4 PC? Its got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 6800 in a B550-Plus right now. It should just be drop-in (after maybe a bios update), right?
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ChiTownEddie posted:I haven't really been paying attention to comp hardware for a bit, would the 5800x3D be a "good final update" to my AM4 PC? Its got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 6800 in a B550-Plus right now. It should just be drop-in (after maybe a bios update), right? You can drop it in, yes. It's a nice upgrade.
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ChiTownEddie posted:I haven't really been paying attention to comp hardware for a bit, would the 5800x3D be a "good final update" to my AM4 PC? Its got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 6800 in a B550-Plus right now. It should just be drop-in (after maybe a bios update), right? Yes and yes 
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haha Okay, easy enough!
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ChiTownEddie posted:haha Okay, easy enough! Just be sure you have an up to date BIOS or the 5800x3d will be seriously nerfed. It will work, just not very well without the update.
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ChiTownEddie posted:I haven't really been paying attention to comp hardware for a bit, would the 5800x3D be a "good final update" to my AM4 PC? Its got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 6800 in a B550-Plus right now. It should just be drop-in (after maybe a bios update), right?
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Pablo Bluth posted:What's your use-case? For gaming the 5800x3d will be an unbeatable bang/buck deal. Fewer productivity tasks benefit from the extra cache as much as gaming does; the 5900x seems to sell for the same price so it's extra codes may or may not be better, depending on your tasks. Entirely gaming! Civ, Diablo 4, wanna play the Jedi games...etc
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the 5800X3D is awesome, but you might want to double check if you have sufficient cooling for it
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seems like most 5800X3D chips should be able to take a -15 (if not -20) offset in curve optimizer so i wouldn't over-worry about cooling lots of folks seem to be able to get -30 without issue, myself included
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I tried -25 and got a BSOD that I didn't want to spend time investigating, so I backed off to -15, haven't had any issues since.
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Wibla posted:Pretty happy about my 5800X3D / 3080 10GB combo. I don't care about ultra graphics or ray tracing anyway. I undervolt them both, -30 on the 5800x3d tests stable on corecycler and other stuff Turns out my real issue all along was failing ram so I replaced that and I hope this build lasts awhile, I get few AAA games and play a good amount of 4x, sim, indie jank and also rocket league which doesn't require much GPU Some stuff won't do 165fps ultra wide at ultra settings , but I can at least get 90-120 high on most things
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I'm pretty sure I managed to get a DOA 6750XT, because after borrowing a known-good GTX970 and even verifying with my own GTX1060 6GB (which I thought I had tested with, and found to be dead, which I must be misremembering), I'm pretty sure that's the only explanation that fits all the facts. Then again, considering I managed to avoid all the other headaches of a new platform, I'd say I'm doing pretty good. Talking of PBO2, I assume people are doing per-core PBO2? Seems like you can't just universally apply a CPU-wide overclock on 8 completely different cores. ChiTownEddie posted:I haven't really been paying attention to comp hardware for a bit, would the 5800x3D be a "good final update" to my AM4 PC? Its got a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 6800 in a B550-Plus right now. It should just be drop-in (after maybe a bios update), right? BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 00:27 on May 26, 2023 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Since Zen5 looks to be getting a X3D CPU too, and AM5 should be used for Zen5, there's the possibility of somewhat of an upgrade path too. Their system is AM4. 5800X3D will be the final CPU they use with that motherboard and RAM if they choose to upgrade. AM5 is not backwards compatible.
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Alzion posted:Their system is AM4. 5800X3D will be the final CPU they use with that motherboard and RAM if they choose to upgrade. AM5 is not backwards compatible. Yeah, that's the key. A final update before a full rebuild. Sounds like it's a pretty universal recommendation from here too!
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ChiTownEddie posted:Yeah, that's the key. A final update before a full rebuild. Sounds like it's a pretty universal recommendation from here too! Lots of us did - myself included. Been really happy with the machine with the 5800X3D paired with a 3080 12GB and 32GB of 3600 CL16 DDR4.
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I also got 2x16 + 2x32 of DDR4 3200MHz at XMP/DOCP working just fine on AM4 after like 5 minutes of fiddling, not sure I'd want to mess with that on AM5.
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