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Only Marathon was announced as an extraction shooter though right? Concord was just called a multiplayer FPS, and Fairgame$ is a “competitive heist game”.
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Mordja posted:I been thinking. All of these shooters are now chasing after the Extraction game craze...but does that craze even exist? There was that spate of games all trying to be the next big BR, but in that case it was because PUBG and Fortnite had become the biggest things in the world, and while a bunch of titles came and went, Apex and COD Warzone managed to arrive and thrive. Meanwhile, on the Extraction shooter side of things, the two biggest examples I can think of are HUNT, which maintains a comfortable and consistent playerbase of around 30K concurrent, and Tarkov, which I know is popular but also seems like a gaming black box: the people who play Tarkov play a lot of Tarkov and don't seem particularly interested in any pretenders. I guess all these devs and publishers are hoping to become the king of the genre while it's still nascent, but I'm just not sure if the mainstream appeal is there. I don’t think extraction shooters have broad mainstream appeal but they do have two very important things; designers love them, much like every designer in the wake of Dark Souls suddenly wouldn’t shut up about Dark Souls. They love the story telling potential and the friction of PvPvE and the intensity of losing everything but in an environment that they enjoy that isn’t some MMO from twenty years ago. Secondly while it might not have mainstream appeal, through its combination of incredible fundamentals and incredibly bad everything else, Tarkov has already created the next generation of post-WoW addicts. People who will shove their filthy brain meats into every extraction shooter made for the rest of time, trying to find that high again. These two things mean that even if they don’t have the appeal of a MOBA or a BR, we’re probably going to continue to get extraction shooter attempts for a while and like those two genres most will be terrible and DOA.
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Veotax posted:There's actually some screenshots of the MGS3 remake on the official site, and it looks way more faithful to the original game than I expected, like using the same level design faithful. They're all from early game areas though, but MGS3 is one of my favourite games and I played it a ton, I recognised some of these areas instantly. So that gives me some hope for it. I dunno about this. Metal Gear Solid has such a strong visual identity. I feel like you can take a screenshot from any MGS game and it’s unmistakable what it is. Obviously MGS1 and MGSV don’t look the same but even with that technical gap, I feel like you can still see the distinct lineage and visual evolution. I thought the PS2 games in particular - of which MGS3 was obviously part of - straddled a perfect line between an artistic style in a realistic setting. This just looks like “hey, realism” to me. It’s almost certainly too early to say that with any accuracy but we can only work with they’ve shown us so far and.. that’s my take.
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Mordja posted:I been thinking. All of these shooters are now chasing after the Extraction game craze...but does that craze even exist? There was that spate of games all trying to be the next big BR, but in that case it was because PUBG and Fortnite had become the biggest things in the world, and while a bunch of titles came and went, Apex and COD Warzone managed to arrive and thrive. Meanwhile, on the Extraction shooter side of things, the two biggest examples I can think of are HUNT, which maintains a comfortable and consistent playerbase of around 30K concurrent, and Tarkov, which I know is popular but also seems like a gaming black box: the people who play Tarkov play a lot of Tarkov and don't seem particularly interested in any pretenders. I guess all these devs and publishers are hoping to become the king of the genre while it's still nascent, but I'm just not sure if the mainstream appeal is there. More recently there's also been Call of Duty's DMZ, which is a very lite take on the genre that does seem to be overall quite popular. I figure that's a big enough name to catch a fair amount of attention. Also I guess Battlefield 2042 also tried to have a go at it but lmao that was as dead on arrival as the rest of the game.
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AngryBooch posted:At least two of these games swerved from trying to do a live-service game (too developer intensive), to a multiplayer battle-royale (too saturated) I think this is probably where it's at: PvPvE is a good and cheap medium between live-service, which costs too much, and full multiplayer, which dies very quickly unless it's the hot thing. You can't play a PvP game in there's no other P, but you can play a PvE game without a second P, or at least there's a potential for a much longer tail.
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Anno posted:Only Marathon was announced as an extraction shooter though right? Concord was just called a multiplayer FPS, and Fairgame$ is a “competitive heist game”. Perestroika posted:More recently there's also been Call of Duty's DMZ, which is a very lite take on the genre that does seem to be overall quite popular.
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OzFactor posted:I think this is probably where it's at: PvPvE is a good and cheap medium between live-service, which costs too much, and full multiplayer, which dies very quickly unless it's the hot thing. You can't play a PvP game in there's no other P, but you can play a PvE game without a second P, or at least there's a potential for a much longer tail. Nah. PvPvE means PvP with extra steps. if you need to be prepared to fight other players at any time then everything surrounding the PvP only matters insofar as it changes how you fight players. Hunt showdown works because it understands this and has no illusions about a “PvE only playstyle” being a real thing or something that any of its players are there to do. the AI is simple, trivial to kill and poses no risk of wiping your team if you just blast it. If you hypothetically knew that the game didn’t spawn any other teams in your match and you were free to just shoot your way to the boss, shoot the boss to death through a window and walk out with the bounty, the game would be very boring and you would have seen all it has to offer in an hour. Instead, if you choose to shoot a hellhound then 9 other humans will call out to their teams that they heard a vetterli karabiner gunshot and triangulate your exact position from the distance and direction of the gunshot they heard. but if you just heard crows flying your way five seconds ago, you might not want to try to kill hellhounds quietly with a knife and probably take damage from them right before that incoming team sees you. The tension and randomization the AI adds makes the entire game work, but only in the context where other humans are out there somewhere.
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I'm not arguing that a low player base PvPvE game would be good or fun, just that studio executives might see it as a way to extend the life of a multiplayer game past the initial hype and thus continue to make money without a lot of continued development.
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Fair, I could see the angle that at least some of the people making these games don’t understand how to approach what they’re making, considering how many of them get really basic things wrong that make me question whether they’ve ever played a multiplayer game with friends before. oh, word? your team game separates the group and instantly kicks our friend out of the match when they die so that they’re stuck by themselves waiting on us, and they’ll get nothing if we win? Cool, going to play more hunt instead. Maybe marathon will get it right?
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No Wave posted:Because it literally does not matter. So called disastrous launch cyberpunk now has a thread full of fans here shilling it for free. so you're saying we should look forward to studio trigger making a redfall anime
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DMZ was great until they added blatantly advantageous DLC for it.
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Anybody played the original of this? I looked at the Steam page and it says that it now has an "Unlimited" mode, which I assume to mean that all garbage time limits are gone, which is what has put me off the Atelier games since forever. Are the more modern Atelier games like this i.e., non-time restricted?
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Autisanal Cheese posted:Anybody played the original of this? For the most part yeah. Ryza has no time limits to speak of and is a very chill experience.
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just noticed this is free for awhile https://store.steampowered.com/app/383270/Hue/
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"Ateiler" is an artist's loft, so what the gently caress are those games about
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zoux posted:"Ateiler" is an artist's loft, so what the gently caress are those games about
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zoux posted:"Ateiler" is an artist's loft, so what the gently caress are those games about 
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zoux posted:"Ateiler" is an artist's loft, so what the gently caress are those games about You're an alchemist, usually with your licensing or apprenticeship or the like being a part of the plot and allowing for some past characters to weave in and out (hey, it's the girl who became a master in one of the prior titles, and she's running the exam!, etc).
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zoux posted:"Ateiler" is an artist's loft, so what the gently caress are those games about Anime girls doing kawaii things and developing/deploying thermonuclear devices made from pinecones.
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I think atelier is meant in the sense of "workshop"
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mycot posted:I think atelier is meant in the sense of "workshop" Well they need a better word, a word for a place where you mix chemicals. Alas there is none in our pathetic tongue.
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"what in the name of rear end were they thinking" - the angry vide o game nerd
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Gatekeeping gas lighting are we?
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Orv posted:Gatekeeping gas lighting are we? you forgot girlbossing
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The gates have opened, the angels have blown their horns, we have a sign. Valve might be working on a new game or even an actual update for TF2. https://twitter.com/johnpatricklowr/status/1661805037126033408?t=CVLBmmLjRxLA9ZfgkzgHCw&s=19
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zoux posted:Well they need a better word, a word for a place where you mix chemicals. Alas there is none in our pathetic tongue. Meth Lab Ryza: The Alchemist of Albuquerque
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CuddleCryptid posted:The gates have opened, the angels have blown their horns, we have a sign. Valve might be working on a new game or even an actual update for TF2. where's the new NOLF John where is it
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Could be Dota 2 related. Wasn't his last Valve role in the critically acclaimed smash hit Artifact? e: Also Hwurmp posted:where's the new NOLF John anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 21:51 on May 25, 2023 |
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CuddleCryptid posted:The gates have opened, the angels have blown their horns, we have a sign. Valve might be working on a new game or even an actual update for TF2. Team Fortress 3: Extraction
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KazigluBey posted:you forgot girlbossing It was a joke about early lighting methods and chemistry 
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CuddleCryptid posted:The gates have opened, the angels have blown their horns, we have a sign. Valve might be working on a new game or even an actual update for TF2. Summer Sale 2023 ARG
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CuddleCryptid posted:The gates have opened, the angels have blown their horns, we have a sign. Valve might be working on a new game or even an actual update for TF2. Ricochet II ?!?!?!
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Their making TF2 again, but all gritty like in those magazines
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Mordja posted:Their making TF2 again, but all gritty like in those magazines Doing the overwatch thing where it's the same game but they increment the number on the end to add in a battle pass.
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if valve made tf3 i would probably just play that for another 2000 hours
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zoux posted:What's going on with all these big releases that just don't loving work or aren't ready at all. I know it's been happening forever but every single one this year it seems is unplayable out of the box. Are we still crunched from COVID poo poo or what DX12 was a mistake
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The gollum game seemed like such a bad idea from the start. Even when I was a kid and really into lotr I never fantasized about an action adventure game where you play as loving gollum. Though I've always thought in general all the lotr games were too action driven. So much of the books are about wandering around and seeing new places. Gimme a chill game where I can hang out with hobbits and get high with wizards instead of saving the world. We already know the assholes who save the world just let me soak in the scenery.
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