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syzpid posted:It's been mentioned in the thread before, but Jerichos cut would have come from when the store chain bought the figures, not when they rung up on the register. The two sets probably went for the same price and whoever entered it probably just tied both UPCs to the same description/price. Ok yeah I figured it was something like that as opposed to some sort of diabolical scheme. You're right, it's not like the toy store would really care about labeling them specifically in their system if it's the same product and price. The less SKUS the better. haljordan fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 24, 2023 |
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Dawgstar posted:That and he knew he'd have no time to shine or even wrestle very much. He wanted to do more than the occasional run-in with Scott Norton. The camera at that point literally couldn't have every NWO member in frame together unless it pulled way back or they were posing like it was picture day. Either that, or they'd be pushing each other out of the way to stand behind Hogan, who'd be front and centre, making noises like Ned Beatty getting bummed in Deliverance, and looking so wrinkly, that Bart would be asking why'd they make that muppet out of leather.
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The funny part of the nWo/Jericho thing is that Bischoff personally approached Chris, told him he'd win the TV title with Giant's help as a way of inducting him in, Jericho gave the "it benefits neither of us for me to join" reason for saying no, Bischoff said "OK, but the finish won't change, we'll figure out why he helped you later". They never bothered to explain it.
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haljordan posted:Remember when they originally wanted to have Goldberg arrested for raping Ms. Elizabeth during an episode of Nitro and he IMMEDIATELY told them "No loving way" so it got changed to "aggravated stalking" Hogan still went ahead and called him a "sexual deviant" and a few other things.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Hogan still went ahead and called him a "sexual deviant" and a few other things. I'd really like to know who came up with the whole rape angle. Keep in mind, Bischoff was always bitching about how Standards & Practices wouldn't let him do anything remotely racy/violent. El Gallinero Gros posted:The funny part of the nWo/Jericho thing is that Bischoff personally approached Chris, told him he'd win the TV title with Giant's help as a way of inducting him in, Jericho gave the "it benefits neither of us for me to join" reason for saying no, Bischoff said "OK, but the finish won't change, we'll figure out why he helped you later". I'd have to think that if he had joined the nWo, the second Jericho started to get over even a little bit, Hogan or someone else would've just completely killed his push and had him exiled to Thunder or whatever. haljordan fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 24, 2023 |
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haljordan posted:I'd have to think that if he had joined the nWo, the second Jericho started to get over even a little bit, Hogan or someone else would've just completely killed his push and had him exiled to Thunder or whatever. Yeah, and it would have been interesting dynamic considering that Scott Hall was bullying him early in his WCW run but fortunately Hall was apparently one of those movie bullies who really do back down when you stand up to them.
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By the way, I don't mean to grandstand or anything but I would just like to say how incredibly awesome it is to have such an amazing community in which to discuss (in detail) wrestling events from more than 20 years ago. No sarcasm, it really does kick rear end.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, and it would have been interesting dynamic considering that Scott Hall was bullying him early in his WCW run but fortunately Hall was apparently one of those movie bullies who really do back down when you stand up to them. Hall also put him over clean against management's wishes because he thought hid version would get better heat (Hall was right)
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Hall also put him over clean against management's wishes because he thought hid version would get better heat (Hall was right) Yeah, Hall had his whims and was obviously abusing a lot of things he shouldn't but like even with all of that he still was one of the best going.
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Dawgstar posted:The camera at that point literally couldn't have every NWO member in frame together unless it pulled way back or they were posing like it was picture day. NASA has high hopes that the James Webb Space Telescope will one day be able to capture an image of the NWO in its entirety, including NWO Japan and the BWO. edogawa rando posted:Hogan, who'd be front and centre, making noises like Ned Beatty "YOU HAVE MEDDLED WITH THE PRIMAL FORCES OF NATURE, MISTER BISCHOFF!" Animal-Mother fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 25, 2023 |
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haljordan posted:Jericho apparently wrestled for over a year without a contract, not due to any sort of dispute, but literally because he never bothered to sign the contract after they sent it to him and no one from WCW ever followed up on it I can believe he did a Moxley and just stopped responding to any of the contract renewal offers in 1999, but that's not the same thing as wrestling without a contract, he was just running out the clock on a previous one.
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Edge & Christian posted:What's the source for this? Based on everything reported at the time and more recent comments from Jericho, his agent, Jim Ross, etc. his contract was coming up in July 1999 and WCW gave him what he felt was an insultingly low offer, so he went and met with Ross and Vince McMahon while still under WCW contract and agreed to sign with WWF as soon as his current WCW contract expired (which was the end of July 1999, he was on Raw a week or so later). I believe in his first book Jericho talks about how he was done with WCW and his contract was coming up but nobody bothered to get on him to resign very quickly so he was able to play out of sight, out of mine with it and when they did finally twig to the fact Jericho needed to re-sign Chris did things like hire an agent and a sports lawyer whom Bischoff hated which stalled things more so he could tread water and wait for Vince's call.
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Dawgstar posted:I believe in his first book Jericho talks about how he was done with WCW and his contract was coming up but nobody bothered to get on him to resign very quickly so he was able to play out of sight, out of mine with it and when they did finally twig to the fact Jericho needed to re-sign Chris did things like hire an agent and a sports lawyer whom Bischoff hated which stalled things more so he could tread water and wait for Vince's call.
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The way Jericho tells it in his first book, he offered to put someone over on the way out of WCW as a way of saying thank you for the opportunity and all that. Instead, Bischoff and Co just elected not to use him before he left for the WWF, so there was a weird gap of him not being on TV (I think for a few months) while still being under contract. This led to him being an unlockable character in the 1999 video game WCW Mayhem, despite him hardly showing up in the company that year.
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Remembering this is what led to Bischoff telling Jericho the oddly racist, "No tickee, no laundry" re: his contract.
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Trying to line everything up based on Jericho's book: June 1998: About a year before Jericho's contract expires, Bischoff verbally offers him a new contract, which he verbally agrees to. November 1998: Jericho's feud with Goldberg is nixed, and the same day Bischoff shows up with the actual contract and asks Jericho to sign it. Jericho takes it and says that he has to speak to his lawyer. Also November 1998: He flies to Connecticut to meet with Vince, Jim Ross, et al. He verbally agrees to sign with WWF when his WCW contract expires. November 30, 1998: Bischoff presses Jericho to sign, Jericho says he is not going to sign the contract. Bischoff books him to drop the TV title to Konnan that night. April 5, 1999: Jericho sprains his ankle in a Nitro match against Booker T, is told by doctors he will be out six weeks. Bischoff suspends Jericho from TV for unclear reasons (presumably because he still hasn't signed a new contract, though he talks elsewhere about being suspended for failing a drug test for steroids and having to attend a counseling meeting with fellow 'steroid abusers' Lenny Lane and Bobby Blaze) and he isn't mentioned on WCW programming again. June 4, 1999: His ankle recovered, Jericho starts working house shows again. July 5, 1999:Countdown to the Millennium Clock starts appearing on Raw July 21, 1999: Jericho wrestles his last WCW match, Kidman/Rey Mysterio vs. Jericho/Eddie Guerrero. August 9, 1999: Countdown clock reaches zero, Chris Jericho debuts on Raw.
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I can post the actual quote when I get back home later. It seemed like WCW sent him a contract and Jericho just never signed it. WCW assumed he signed it and sent it back.
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I just looked it up, and apparently the console version of WCW Mayhem came out AFTER he'd already debuted for WWF. Also, Raven was in it despite him already saying gently caress this and going back to ECW. I love WCW.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I just looked it up, and apparently the console version of WCW Mayhem came out AFTER he'd already debuted for WWF. Also, Raven was in it despite him already saying gently caress this and going back to ECW. I love WCW. In one of the later episodes of The Office, it is revealed that Jim and Dwight invented a completely fake salesman to circumvent a cap on commissions (and basically steal from the company). I wonder if anyone at WCW ever tried the same scam and submitted a bunch of fake wrestlers to the payroll department.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I just looked it up, and apparently the console version of WCW Mayhem came out AFTER he'd already debuted for WWF. Also, Raven was in it despite him already saying gently caress this and going back to ECW. I love WCW. I mean, this isn’t really that weird when you consider the lead times involved in video games. Bret Hart was still in War Zone, which came out like six months after his WCW debut. Hell, I’m pretty sure Cody is still gonna be in Fight Forever and he’s been in WWE for over a year.
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Diabolik900 posted:I mean, this isn’t really that weird when you consider the lead times involved in video games. Bret Hart was still in War Zone, which came out like six months after his WCW debut. Hell, I’m pretty sure Cody is still gonna be in Fight Forever and he’s been in WWE for over a year. I think Jericho's inclusion is just especially egregious since I don't think he'd even been on TV for months anyway?
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haljordan posted:In one of the later episodes of The Office, it is revealed that Jim and Dwight invented a completely fake salesman to circumvent a cap on commissions (and basically steal from the company). I wonder if anyone at WCW ever tried the same scam and submitted a bunch of fake wrestlers to the payroll department.
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Halloween Jack posted:There was never a Ciclope. Dean Malenko took all that money. The funny part is there of course IS a Ciclope but there actually there was a wrestler there in the Cruiserweight Battle Royal who was put in to make people think that he was going to be the big reveal called El Grio (who was actually Ciclope under the hood), but surprise it was me, Dean-o.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I think Jericho's inclusion is just especially egregious since I don't think he'd even been on TV for months anyway? Steve McMichael's last appearance on TV was in February 1999, and left the company in March. Raven's last appearance on TV was in May 1999, and he walked out of WCW and jumped to ECW in August. There are a number of other people in the game who either were effectively done with appearing in WCW even if they didn't know it yet (Randy Savage, Sonny Onoo) or even if they were technically employed didn't really get featured on TV enough before or after the game's release to warrant being in a video game (Kenny Kaos, Lizmark Jr., Bobby Blaze, etc.) As mentioned, because of development lead time this isn't at all uncommon, but I don't know that Jericho's inclusion was particularly egregious.
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Dawgstar posted:The funny part is there of course IS a Ciclope but there actually there was a wrestler there in the Cruiserweight Battle Royal who was put in to make people think that he was going to be the big reveal called El Grio (who was actually Ciclope under the hood), but surprise it was me, Dean-o. THATS...THATS NOT CICLOPE!
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Edge & Christian posted:It looks like WCW Mayhem came out in September 1999, which was after Jericho was in WWF. As mentioned above, his last televised appearance for WCW was in April 1999, with his last house show in late July. By the same token: Savage had two more WCW appearances after September of 99.
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Literally the only edit I've ever done on wikipedia was to change a redirect so searching for Ciclope actually got you to the luchador instead of redirecting to Dean Malenko.
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MrBling posted:Literally the only edit I've ever done on wikipedia was to change a redirect so searching for Ciclope actually got you to the luchador instead of redirecting to Dean Malenko. Literally the only edit I've ever done to Wikipedia was to change the Georgia Guidestones entry to list the inscription as "A Doings is a Transpirin"
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By the way, here is the exact phrasing from "Death of WCW" about Jericho and the unsigned contract:quote:Ironically, Jericho could have left sooner than he did: "Even though I'd been working in WCW for over a year I had never signed my contract. I wasn't holding out for more money or having a legal disagreement, I simply never put the pen to the paper and returned the contract to WCW's lawyers. Nobody seemed to realize it and I decided to see how long I could go without signing. It was astonishing that no one in the office had ever followed up with me about it, but this was the same company that once sent me a FedEx with nothing inside, so it wasn't too hard to believe." He also apparently once got a royalty check for zero dollars and zero cents lmao
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The one lolWCW story that always crops up about Jericho that I think is probably not as it seems is the one about his action figures ringing up as a Hogan and Sting two pack or something so they’d get the merch money from it. That one is way more likely to be whatever store’s inventory system just having one unified SKU or some data entry monkey who wasn’t in the mood to write a hundred different descriptions for dumb wrestling toys and nobody really caring what it said on people’s receipts than it is some Machiavellian plot with Hogan and Toys R Us getting together to screw the boys out of a few cents a figure. It does make a funnier story his way though and carnies are always gonna carney so 
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If we're talking about Wrestlers in video games, don't forget WCW Nitro for PS1. Despite WCW having plenty of wrestlers to put in the game, they decided to add a bunch of weird fictional wrestlers. I bought it when it came out, and was so disappointed because I figured it would be a followup to WCW Vs The World.
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haljordan posted:By the way, here is the exact phrasing from "Death of WCW" about Jericho and the unsigned contract: That quote is from Jericho's first book, but is slotted in right after Halloween Havoc 1997, which makes sense because he first showed up in WCW in late 1996. He goes onto say quote:I could show up in the WWF the next week and toss the WCW cruiserweight belt into the garbage if I wanted to. I was legally clear to do so and there was nothing stopping me. syzpid posted:If we're talking about Wrestlers in video games, don't forget WCW Nitro for PS1. Despite WCW having plenty of wrestlers to put in the game, they decided to add a bunch of weird fictional wrestlers. I bought it when it came out, and was so disappointed because I figured it would be a followup to WCW Vs The World.
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Edge & Christian posted:
Well the World Tour and Revenge fictional wrestlers were actual real Japanese wrestlers in the original Japanese game so the port really didn't do much to change that besides doing some visual changes (cause why not use existing work) . The PS1 games were developed in the US so when looking for hidden wrestlers they just added in whatever
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Well the World Tour and Revenge fictional wrestlers were actual real Japanese wrestlers in the original Japanese game so the port really didn't do much to change that besides doing some visual changes (cause why not use existing work). Revenge never had an "original" Japanese version, and Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 kept the WCW license from World Tour but had no licensed Japanese wrestlers, just legally distinct (the best kind of distinct) versions with slightly changed names and looks. Licensed puro guys wouldn't happen until Virtual Pro Wrestling 2, which came after WM2000, was officially licensed by AJPW and also featured everyone else from all other promotions, just with slightly changed appearances and names like all the Japanese wrestlers in World Tour and VPW64. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 00:31 on May 26, 2023 |
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David Flair was on TV a *lot* in 1999-2000. He was US champ briefly in 99 and one of the tag champs in 2000. He was awful, but he made as much sense as anyone to be in a WCW game in those days.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:by the time of backstage assault they were so low on wrestlers david flair is one of the playable wrestlers If I'm not mistaken, Russo is a playable character in Backstage Assault! Also, what a terrible game. Real rental letdown after I'd mostly enjoyed Mayhem.
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I always got a kick out of Raven being on the cover of WCW/nWo Revenge I know he had a faction and some popularity but he really doesn't fit in here.
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TheKingslayer posted:I always got a kick out of Raven being on the cover of WCW/nWo Revenge God I spent soooo many hours playing that game. I think I still have the cartridge down in my basement.
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Long before I was even a wrestling fan I rented WCW/nWo Revenge from Hollywood Video and played the hell out of it. My biggest memory is finding the edit mode, giving The Giant his green suit, and renaming him "SUPER LUIGI".
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