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starkebn posted:I've heard the opinion that the tales of the great flood that are in the myths/histories of many cultures stem from the unstoppable and seeming unending enroachment of the oceans as the ice Age ended. The sea level rose for thousands of years and people had to rebuild and move settlements over and over..
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May 26, 2023 06:37
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Hit Man posted:
lmfao you still use google? its completely dogshit now, just like absolutely horrendous and completely lies about results filling in repeating ads for like 5 pages. there's been many good write-ups about it sucking so much rear end. it's like using the internet without ublock origins. at the very least use duckduckgo, it still sucks but it's no google-level of suck. these are all very reasonable, even good, results 
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May 26, 2023 06:47
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starkebn posted:Every time they say it's not too late it's implied there is hope still. I don't think that's true though. We're past the tipping point, things are going to get worse, and there isn't really anything we can do to prevent global temps rising and parts of the world becoming entirely inhospitable. Stopping all fossil fuel usage would only speed the collapse at this point, since we'd go from being totally hosed in the medium term to totally hosed immediately.
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May 26, 2023 06:55
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Reminder that if all glaciers melt it's more than enough to not only destroy all coastal cities, globally, but enough to flood Paris, France. The UK would be an archipelago. Majority of the southeast US would be under water, major parts of China, the Amazon basin. Possibly central Australia, the black & Baltic seas would be linked to the Mediterranean iirc. can you imagine all the amazing scuba diveable ruins though? people would totally do that to try to score some phat loot from the before times. kinda waterworld-esque sounding
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May 26, 2023 06:58
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yeah all the bad poo poo is baked in. "doing something" would benefit future generations which we probably won't do because we seem pretty averse to doing anything we don't see immensely and immediately personal benefits from imho
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May 26, 2023 06:58
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cash crab posted:yeah all the bad poo poo is baked in. "doing something" would benefit future generations which we probably won't do because we seem pretty averse to doing anything we don't see immensely and immediately personal benefits from imho "'Science' will pull a MacGuffin out of its rear end just in time to save us all." 
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May 26, 2023 07:00
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Doesn't global dimming mean that if we stopped burning things tomorrow we'd add around 0.7° degrees within a few months? Basically we are already at +2.3°. I'm very stupid and don't understand anything mind you
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May 26, 2023 07:04
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"'Science' will pull a MacGuffin out of its rear end just in time to save us all." the two most overused lies/copes in all the bullshit surrounding biosphere collapse are: 1. we are running out of time, but we can still make a difference if we act now 2. don't worry, science will come up with a solution / we'll engineer our way out of it I guess #2 is technically possible, but it's in moonshot territory at this point.
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May 26, 2023 07:08
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kyojin posted:Doesn't global dimming mean that if we stopped burning things tomorrow we'd add around 0.7° degrees within a few months? Basically we are already at +2.3°. I'm very stupid and don't understand anything mind you Yes, if we stopped producing any CO2 right this instant it would indeed lead to a warmer earth for several years.
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May 26, 2023 07:10
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if one of the labs working on fusion announced tomorrow that they’ve cracked that bitch, nailed sustained net positive energy output with a reliable design, which lol is not happening, it would still be years before ground was broken on the first power generating plant science already gave us the solution for an energy-intensive civilization that doesn’t annihilate the biosphere decades ago and we threw it away
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May 26, 2023 07:14
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kyojin posted:Doesn't global dimming mean that if we stopped burning things tomorrow we'd add around 0.7° degrees within a few months? Basically we are already at +2.3°. I'm very stupid and don't understand anything mind you I don't know the exact numbers but conceptually yeah. The smog we create via being terrible polluters also creates a particulate haze that reflects sunlight, and without those aerosols we'd see an increase in temperature. That's the faustian bargain that people keep referring to: doing the best thing for the long-term (stopping our polluting) is immensely harmful in the short-term (would cause immediate temp rise). https://climate.nasa.gov/news/215/just-5-questions-aerosols - see #2 At some point though, we won't have a choice. I'm guessing that as a byproduct of some form of collapse (e.g. political instability, another pandemic or equivalent, supply chain or economic breakdown) our hand will be forced and that'll bring about the short term side-effect.
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May 26, 2023 07:16
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Wheeee posted:if one of the labs working on fusion announced tomorrow that they’ve cracked that bitch, nailed sustained net positive energy output with a reliable design, which lol is not happening, it would still be years before ground was broken on the first power generating plant the fossil fuel industry would h-bomb that poo poo the moment it looked viable
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May 26, 2023 07:20
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Wheeee posted:if one of the labs working on fusion announced tomorrow that they’ve cracked that bitch, nailed sustained net positive energy output with a reliable design, which lol is not happening, it would still be years before ground was broken on the first power generating plant yea that too, although our likely struggle to productionize any solution is part of why science solving biosphere collapse is such a moonshot overcoming the bureaucracy, making whatever technology scalable and economically feasible, and enduring resistance from the entrenched energy industry are all big hurdles, and that's assuming we even have a workable idea to try
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May 26, 2023 07:25
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Ruggan posted:the two most overused lies/copes in all the bullshit surrounding biosphere collapse are: I've been slowly catching up on Picard, and S2 is all about how one of Picard's ancestors just finds a MacGuffin "organism" on Io that just...*fixes* everything wrong with the planet. Also, don't forget #3: Benevolent aliens!  Complications posted:the fossil fuel industry would h-bomb that poo poo the moment it looked viable If fusion (cold or hot) ever becomes a viable reality in our lifetimes (it won't), it'll be under the control of hypercorporations who will ensure that free, cheap, and infinite power is extremely expensive. Also, look forward to  ads on television by HalliBechHoneySiemensLockMart about how much we need *their* great mankind-saving achievement.
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May 26, 2023 07:44
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cash crab posted:yeah all the bad poo poo is baked in. "doing something" would benefit future generations which we probably won't do because we seem pretty averse to doing anything we don't see immensely and immediately personal benefits from imho Experts have been ringing alarm bells since the early 1900s and we've never changed course
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May 26, 2023 07:47
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starkebn posted:Experts have been ringing alarm bells since the early 1900s and we've never changed course Lead in gasoline? Who cares! Cars are going to fly and run on plutonium by 1985!
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May 26, 2023 07:48
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If aliens came down and handed us a free energy device there would be so many feasibility committees and lobbying efforts it wouldn't be used before the collapse anyway
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May 26, 2023 07:50
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I've been slowly catching up on Picard please don't self harm
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May 26, 2023 07:51
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Climate change? More like climate lame!
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May 26, 2023 07:59
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cash crab posted:yeah all the bad poo poo is baked in. "doing something" would benefit future generations which we probably won't do because we seem pretty averse to doing anything we don't see immensely and immediately personal benefits from imho we’ve already done the most impactful thing for future generations by kicking off a mass extinction event. they’ll get to enjoy the fruits of all our hard work
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May 26, 2023 08:01
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starkebn posted:If aliens came down and handed us a free energy device there would be so many feasibility committees and lobbying efforts it wouldn't be used before the collapse anyway http://nobodyscores.loosenutstudio.com/index.php?id=524
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May 26, 2023 08:04
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starkebn posted:Experts have been ringing alarm bells since the early 1900s and we've never changed course Oh we’ve changed course all right. We slammed the accelerator to the floor.
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May 26, 2023 08:09
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https://twitter.com/KetanJ0/status/1661830199359447053
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May 26, 2023 10:55
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imagine how much coal you could dig up with a fusion powered coal digger
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May 26, 2023 12:19
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Complications posted:the fossil fuel industry would h-bomb that poo poo the moment it looked viable In furthering of the cynicism about miraculously solved fusion all of our infrastructure and construction consists primarily of theft and grift anyway so if we fought through the fossil fuel propganda about fusion rays causing cancer or whatever we would break ground on a plant that was advertised to take 5 years and a certain amount of money and 10+ years later it would be 10x over budget and not finished while everyone fights about funding and fusion rays causing cancer We would probably even develop a multi-million person strong anti-fusion political movement that would put out budweiser horse commercials where a cowboy talks about the american spirit of the American Coal Miner. Politicial campaigns would be promising to halt construction.
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May 26, 2023 13:22
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when the entire global economy is fuckin superglued to the petro-chemical dollar there's no way that alternative energy sources are doing anything while the last capitalist breathes
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May 26, 2023 13:36
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quote:El Niño first came into the public consciousness in 1983, as it was the first major one in recent history that brought with it severe flooding and drought to various parts of the world. But it wasn't until 1997–1998 that the El Niño truly burst on the scene. lol. lmao.
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May 26, 2023 13:38
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Plumps posted:imagine how much coal you could dig up with a fusion powered coal digger Someone post that diagram of the nuclear powered oil sands extractor
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May 26, 2023 13:47
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this is kinda just dumb, income != investment
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May 26, 2023 13:53
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starkebn posted:I've heard the opinion that the tales of the great flood that are in the myths/histories of many cultures stem from the unstoppable and seeming unending enroachment of the oceans as the ice Age ended. The sea level rose for thousands of years and people had to rebuild and move settlements over and over.. This podcast has a great piece on this: https://youtu.be/cq1g8czIBJY?t=1413 Play from 23:10
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May 26, 2023 13:53
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Complications posted:the fossil fuel industry would h-bomb that poo poo the moment it looked viable they already nuked conventional nuclear energy Wheeee posted:science already gave us the solution for an energy-intensive civilization that doesn’t annihilate the biosphere decades ago and we threw it away
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May 26, 2023 14:54
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remember that time back in the good old days when they used a nuke to do fracking for natural gas and it made all the gas radioactive we need more of that spirit
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May 26, 2023 15:01
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FlapYoJacks posted:Yes, if we stopped producing any CO2 right this instant it would indeed lead to a warmer earth for several years. I, an insane moron, think that a few years of +2.3° would uncork enough feedback loops there would be no return. Eg we are totally hosed no matter what, there is absolutely no way out. Presumably there is a small cohort of powerful people who know this but also somehow consider money to be real and believe they can accrue enough to protect themselves, and that's why the accelerator is staying slammed to the floor
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May 26, 2023 15:19
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That paper from Hansen Et Al someone mentioned a few days ago more or less believes that even if we stopped all emissions today, 10c of warming by 2100 is more or less guaranteed based solely on the existing amount of forcing?
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May 26, 2023 15:45
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Who on this thread is Ben? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB6smZzFgVY
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May 26, 2023 15:47
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https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1662120192028147713?s=20
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May 26, 2023 16:53
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Cold on a Cob posted:lol. lmao. if i had the energy to write an entire essay about this i would probably posit that "the time to act is now" was a feasible thing to tell people any time between the end of the second world war and the very beginning of the 1970s, and any time after the 1980s was going to be utterly hopeless. deepening social inequities brought on by anti-labour politics of the 1980s in the western world completely brain-poisoned entire generations of people into rejecting basically any message they hear in literal terms, particularly one suggests they might be ready to miss out on something. the western world is particularly averse to changes to their lifestyle and now some people react to any change with hostility, even if it doesn't in any way affect them. i know it's an incredibly tiny minority of people, but the fact that most people are cognizant of a trend of destroying 2-4s of bud light with baseball bats because it's tangentially sponsored by a trans woman is telling of how some of us react to change now. even people who don't react to ripples of social change with the same frothing hostility as your average chud are completely resistant to having their lives change. COVID did not help. it made people less malleable and adaptable, not more. these social changes are inevitable and strictly tied to our material conditions, which are already changing rapidly and are going to get much worse, but the majority of people you interact with are going to say the same thing: "don't blame me," which is followed up by the suggestion, "and since it's not my fault, i shouldn't have to change." and by change, i don't mean "do something", i mean literally tolerate the changing material conditions that are coming for everyone. what i'm saying here is that this is going to get so, so much funnier. Confusedslight posted:Who on this thread is Ben? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB6smZzFgVY it would be funny if he was a goon but was strictly on FYAD or something
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May 26, 2023 16:58
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imporant to keep that sulfur in the air
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May 26, 2023 17:07
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doing my part to geoengineer the planet by flying to Bali and then over to Ibiza for a nice weekend get away individual action, it works y’all
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May 26, 2023 17:37
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Just spitballing here, but is there a way to make planes run on coal? That could really help things out.
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