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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Kind of an odd thing to question... That story also says that there wasn't a train there when it happened and that nobody was injured...
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I was told that the crazies in the house, the boeberts, greens, etc, can just stop all legislative activity by simply asking for the speaker to be replaced. Is this possible for them to do and if they do it are all those words above re: debt negotiations all hosed?
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May 26, 2023 16:25
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Subway pushes accounted for 25 deaths in Neq York City in 2022. Pedesteian deaths was 25 that year.
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May 26, 2023 16:25
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Boris Galerkin posted:I was told that the crazies in the house, the boeberts, greens, etc, can just stop all legislative activity by simply asking for the speaker to be replaced. Is this possible for them to do and if they do it are all those words above re: debt negotiations all hosed? They can't stop all legislative activity, but they can call a vote with just 1 person. Someone other than McCarthy would have to get the most votes and that new speaker could theoretically decide not to put any legislation up for a vote. But, they can't just pause all legislative activity with one person. Individuals in the House have very little procedural power, unlike the Senate.
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May 26, 2023 16:27
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Mellow Seas posted:Whoever the speaker is, they're going to be answering to the same people in the Freedom Caucus. And if the debt ceiling is taken off the table and they've already struck a budget deal for '24 and '25 then there's not much the next speaker can really do to gently caress stuff up, right? It's not like any Republican legislation is passing. This. Plus I want to watch McCarthy's dream fall apart on national television.
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May 26, 2023 16:36
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This. Plus I want to watch McCarthy's dream fall apart on national television. Again
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May 26, 2023 16:39
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This. Plus I want to watch McCarthy's dream fall apart on national television. The last "young gun" suffering the most prolonged and hilarious humiliation
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May 26, 2023 16:42
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If McCarthy makes the GOP blink and saves the country, I'll give him a pass and let him live out his miserable, pointless term. We want to encourage more McCarthy's and fewer McConnell's.
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May 26, 2023 16:42
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They can't stop all legislative activity, but they can call a vote with just 1 person. Someone other than McCarthy would have to get the most votes and that new speaker could theoretically decide not to put any legislation up for a vote. But, they can't just pause all legislative activity with one person. Individuals in the House have very little procedural power, unlike the Senate. So they can't call for a new speaker and then effectively pause the negotiations by making a circus show of the speaker vote? I'm thinking like repeatedly call for a vote, having McCarthy win after a long long debate and delay, only for the next idiot to call for another vote, repeat forever until McCarthy agrees to drop the deal?
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May 26, 2023 16:44
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Boris Galerkin posted:So they can't call for a new speaker and then effectively pause the negotiations by making a circus show of the speaker vote? I'm thinking like repeatedly call for a vote, having McCarthy win after a long long debate and delay, only for the next idiot to call for another vote, repeat forever until McCarthy agrees to drop the deal? They can do it over and over, but it doesn't trigger a vote right away and force them to drop everything. It would be referred to committee and there would be some procedural votes before the final vote. It would dramatically slow things down, but they couldn't literally stop any vote from ever happening.
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May 26, 2023 16:53
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Kind of an odd thing to question... there's that one, and this one. I don't think anyone has died in recent memory? But also, like the way the MBTA is set up, there aren't a lot of stations where someone can be killed by pushing someone onto the tracks, it'd take very deliberate and careful timing because the trains go at like 2 mph And again, nyc has the highest subway ridership in the country by far. Leon is playing up something like 2 dozen incidents in a system that literally handles millions of riders per a day.
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May 26, 2023 16:55
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Not sure how significant or consequential the slowdown could possibly be, but it should be noted that if there was any concern that McCarthy losing his position would interfere with the Dems getting a good deal, they can easily keep him in the speakership for as long as they want, by having the necessary number of Dems vote for him, instead of Jefferies, that puts him over 218. Distasteful, yes, but materially inconsequential. Once we have the deal in hand, though, there's no reason to do that.
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May 26, 2023 16:57
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Technically, the Dems could keep McCarthy as speaker too. Especially if it's to get a favorable debt deal through. Efb
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Laughing at the idea of McCarthy striking this deal relying on dems to keep him in power in exchange for not shooting the hostage
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Shageletic posted:And again, nyc has the highest subway ridership in the country by far. Leon is playing up something like 2 dozen incidents in a system that literally handles millions of riders per a day. It's just weird that they have a 1:1 ratio of subway pushing deaths vs. pedestrian deaths compared to other major cities with either 0 or 1:40 ratios. It's not a normal thing in NYC either. It's just a weird stat and change the NYT article was explaining. Nobody is saying that everyone is being constantly pushed into trains in NYC, but the ratio difference to previous years and other cities is pretty wild. For most cities, it is literally an infinity percent difference because it's 0.
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NYC has usable subways, for one thing. I live in a different major US city and take more NYC subway rides on average just from the few times I visit throughout the year
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There are a couple of other thing going on with NYC subway stuff. It’s specific lines. Some lines have ridership way down (which makes folks feel unsafe). Some companies are forcing WFH now. There are gender issues involved (it’s often women not feeling safe).
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koolkal posted:NYC has usable subways, for one thing. Maybe if you live in NYC and have become familiar with it. As a visitor, it was far and away the most byzantine subway system I've ever used. In Paris, London, Boston, and Washington (the others I am familiar with) it's just "these are the lines, they go in two directions," and that's it. With NYC you have all the weird express trains with no schedule posted anywhere so if you get on the wrong one you'll wind up missing the stop you need. Plus other subways are built like a network to get you around the city, all the NYC subway does is funnel you in or out of Manhattan.
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Twincityhacker posted:Subway pushes accounted for 25 deaths in Neq York City in 2022. Pedesteian deaths was 25 that year. Are you counting pushes versus deaths right? Because I thought the same thing until I looked (and gently caress it's hard to do for this since there are do many Manhattan Institute and NY Post articles making GBS threads things up and trying to gin up fear) and the only thing I can find is this daily mail article that says 25 people were pushed but only 2 died in 2022 so far (this was published in Oct 2022): https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11357789/amp/TWENTY-FIVE-victims-shoved-NYC-subway-cars-far-year.html There are more people found dead on tracks (like 88 from 1 dubious source) but those are likely suicides and people trying to cross the tracks/live on them
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Bar Ran Dun posted:There are a couple of other thing going on with NYC subway stuff. It’s specific lines. Some lines have ridership way down (which makes folks feel unsafe). Some companies are forcing WFH now. There are gender issues involved (it’s often women not feeling safe).  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Twincityhacker posted:Subway pushes accounted for 25 deaths in Neq York City in 2022. Pedesteian deaths was 25 that year. January 15, 2022: Michelle Go is shoved onto the tracks in an apparent hate crime October 17, 2022: Heriberto Quintana jostles a man who drops his phone onto the tracks. In the ensuing argument, Quintana is punched and shoved onto the tracks and dies. So that's two, admittedly there were way more than 2 (or 25) deaths on the subway tracks -- the MTA reported 88 in 2022 -- but the vast majority of those were people on the tracks for shelter/work/graffiti/trying to ride on the outside of the train and falling. Meanwhile, there were 118 pedestrian deaths in NYC in 2022, not including people who died while on bicycles or in vehicles, just to clarify it from the "traffic deaths" number for 2022, which was 225. And to what was mentioned above, any sort of internet search for these numbers turns up basically ten articles from the New York Post, Manhattan Institute, Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Breitbart, etc. for everyone one DOT/MTA/Vision Zero press release, and very little coverage outside of that, except maybe citing the numbers when reporting on a distinct incident, which again is extremely more common for people being run down in the street by cars than getting pushed in front of trains, and both of which happen pretty rarely. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's just weird that they have a 1:1 ratio of subway pushing deaths vs. pedestrian deaths compared to other major cities with either 0 or 1:40 ratios. It's not a normal thing in NYC either. It's just a weird stat and change the NYT article was explaining. Nobody is saying that everyone is being constantly pushed into trains in NYC, but the ratio difference to previous years and other cities is pretty wild. For most cities, it is literally an infinity percent difference because it's 0. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 17:47 on May 26, 2023 |
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So did Newt Gingrich originate debt ceiling hostage taking as part of his total war vision of congressional politics?
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Zwabu posted:So did Newt Gingrich originate debt ceiling hostage taking as part of his total war vision of congressional politics? I believe 2011 was the first instance of a debt ceiling crisis.
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Zwabu posted:So did Newt Gingrich originate debt ceiling hostage taking as part of his total war vision of congressional politics? This is an Obama era creation from the Republican Party knowing that most American's have no understanding of the federal budget.
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Here's a video from during the eisenhower years with Wright Patman (the guy that held Louie Gohmert's seat) complaining about how the debt ceiling is dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHdh55w9xt4&t=267s plogo fucked around with this message at 17:56 on May 26, 2023 |
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plogo posted:Here's a video from during the eisenhower years with Wright Patman (the guy that held Louie Gohmert's seat) complaining about how the debt ceiling is dumb. It's so loving weird to watch a politician sit and just talk about textbook monetary policy without either grandstanding or getting into a Jerry Springer style argument with someone.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In a sane world, none of this should be happening over the debt limit and would be happening during budget negotiations. But, if they do adopt the provision that makes it so they don't have to do any budget negotiations with Republicans for FY24 or FY25, then they prevent the Republicans from coming back and trying another hostage situation with a government shutdown and Biden can keep his rhetorical pledge that "we negotiated over the budget and not the credit of the U.S." In a sane world the 'debt limit' isn't even a question because Congress has a constitutional duty to make good on the country's debts. Which includes paying the military and government employees what they're owed, which stops every time they pull this bullshit. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 26, 2023 |
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Zwabu posted:So did Newt Gingrich originate debt ceiling hostage taking as part of his total war vision of congressional politics? Newt Gingrich shut the government down because he was mad about where he got seated on an airplane.
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KillHour posted:It's so loving weird to watch a politician sit and just talk about textbook monetary policy without either grandstanding or getting into a Jerry Springer style argument with someone. Listen man, we got advertisers to chase.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Maybe if you live in NYC and have become familiar with it. As a visitor, it was far and away the most byzantine subway system I've ever used. In Paris, London, Boston, and Washington (the others I am familiar with) it's just "these are the lines, they go in two directions," and that's it. With NYC you have all the weird express trains with no schedule posted anywhere so if you get on the wrong one you'll wind up missing the stop you need. Plus other subways are built like a network to get you around the city, all the NYC subway does is funnel you in or out of Manhattan. I suppose I am biased but lmao at thinking the NYC subway is worse than fuckin Paris. God bless and keep RATP far away from me
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Newt Gingrich shut the government down because he was mad about where he got seated on an airplane. Oh that's right, government shutdown. But still it seems like this was the original version of congressional hostage taking. It just seems like government shutdown is pointing a shotgun at your family, debt default is moving up to putting a nuclear bomb in the center of the city. Is Mitch responsible for the default version of hostage taking?
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Zwabu posted:Oh that's right, government shutdown. But still it seems like this was the original version of congressional hostage taking. It just seems like government shutdown is pointing a shotgun at your family, debt default is moving up to putting a nuclear bomb in the center of the city. According to wikipedia: quote:The U.S. Treasury nearly hit the debt ceiling in fall 1953, plus the Senate refused to raise it until summer 1954, but the federal government managed to avoid reaching it through using various measures, such as monetizing leftover gold. quote:Following the increase in the debt ceiling to $16.394 trillion in 2011,[19] the United States again reached the debt ceiling on December 31, 2012 and the Treasury began taking extraordinary measures. The fiscal cliff was resolved with the passage of the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 (ATRA), but no action was taken on the debt ceiling. With the ATRA tax cuts, the government indicated that the debt ceiling needed to raise by $700 billion for it to continue financing operations for the rest of the 2013 fiscal year[20] and that extraordinary measures were expected to be exhausted by February 15.[21] Treasury has said it is not set up to prioritize payments, and it's not clear that it would be legal to do so. Given this situation, Treasury would simply delay payments if funds could not be raised through extraordinary measures and the debt ceiling had not been raised. This would put a freeze on 7% of the nation's GDP, a contraction greater than the Great Recession. The economic damage would worsen as recipients of social security benefits, government contracts, and other government payments cut back on spending in response to having the freeze in their revenue.[22]
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My bad on the sources, sorry.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I suppose I am biased but lmao at thinking the NYC subway is worse than fuckin Paris. God bless and keep RATP far away from me London is better than NYC and NYC is better than Paris. All 3 are very straightforward to navigate if you have access to Google Maps and can recognize basic numbers, letters, shapes, and colours. Some other cities are way better though (Lisbon, Barcelona, Shanghai)
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Why did the Democrats not put the Gephardt rule back into place?
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Mustang posted:Why did the Democrats not put the Gephardt rule back into place? Probably because it would've only hamstrung them, since the GOP would've just rescinded it again once they took control like they did in 1995.
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Mustang posted:Why did the Democrats not put the Gephardt rule back into place? It's a parliamentary rule that is determined by whoever controls the House. People stopped using it after it was repealed because budget votes became more partisan, so Republicans will lift the debt ceiling with their budget when they control congress, but not when Democrats do. Democrats just lifted the debt ceiling as part of their budgets when they controlled it. Congress also stopped passing full budgets for a long time, instead passing constant continuing resolutions, which made it moot. The main point of the Gephardt rule was that if the Senate amended the budget, then they didn't have to vote on the debt ceiling again if it already passed the house with the budget. Here's a good history on it: https://www.congressionalinstitute....t%20resolution.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I suppose I am biased but lmao at thinking the NYC subway is worse than fuckin Paris. God bless and keep RATP far away from me The Paris metro has stops every 1500 feet throughout the city. If you earnestly think the NYC subway is better than the Paris metro you are a loving idiot
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Oracle posted:According to wikipedia: Did Clinton sign that repeal bill or did Congress override his veto?
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So Leon are you going to address that your whole narrative and concern re subway pushing in nyc seems to be built on dubious statistics and right wing fearmongering or not?
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