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Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
Im doing all that, like I always did before the last update, except that Im actually using Huscarls instead of regular Heavy Infantry

And still Im one of my last wars, my stack of 7K (with a 30 martial commander and 13 decent knights) lost to a stack of 6K

Antigravitas posted:

Early game armies run a ton of skirmishers (light footmen) which counter heavy infantry.

Might be this

Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 26, 2023

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MikeC
Jul 19, 2004
BITCH ASS NARC
It isn't the counter because even if they have the same number of LF vs Huscarls, Huscarls still win (more HP). Are you suffering some wierd penalty like recent disembark or you are getting invaded by vikings who have special troops?

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
One of the things I'm enjoying most about CK3 is how much dynasty development and management you get to do, the vassal experience and court experience feel way more meaty and meaningful, and actually have given me a huge revelation about playing this type of game (mostly that it's less about the lands and titles and painting the map and WAY more about building a dynasty for the long term, having councilors who are skilled and like you, you get so many huge random benefits, and are able to domain manage way more effortlessly so you can focus on expansion/acquisition, I honestly am super invested in my current dynasty and lots of the individuals and their own lives/goals. i am making sure we ALL eat good :black101:, when you manage the dynasty right and have it humming, the titles and land flow, you gotta get that blood regal as gently caress)

gurragadon
Jul 28, 2006

How are vassal interactions? I usually play CK2 with my demesne size quartered and vassal limit halved to make my vassals more powerful relative to me and harder to manage.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

I personally think vassal interaction is decent but the vassal limit is way too large.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Vassals are as annoying as ever, possibly more so. To be honest, CK3 has so totally supplanted CK2 that I don't remember much. It is superficially the same game, but then I look at CK2 and go "oh wow, people don't visually age like they do in CK3, that's wild".

With the vassal types that were just introduced you have to be careful if you don't have an iron grip on power, since you may have vassals dislike things that other vassals want you to do.

The court mechanics of that one DLC are super relevant there, you'll have vassals come and whine at you for giving away positions or titles…

Also, house feuds with vassals are not fun.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

gurragadon posted:

How are vassal interactions? I usually play CK2 with my demesne size quartered and vassal limit halved to make my vassals more powerful relative to me and harder to manage.

they're a bit of a pain in the rear end yeah, but i'm a bit of a novice

you can totally have way too many powerful vassals to deal with who want court positions and suck loving rear end at minding coins or whatever, and they start factions and schemes against you, I've had to regulate a few times

Party In My Diapee
Jan 24, 2014
Does the tech in ck3 still make it optimal to basically never spread your culture?

George Sex - REAL
Dec 1, 2005

Bisssssssexual

Party In My Diapee posted:

Does the tech in ck3 still make it optimal to basically never spread your culture?

Yes.

Tehan
Jan 19, 2011
Did the 'house feud' thing turning an entire other dynasty into John Wicks that live only for the destruction of your entire bloodline part of Friends and Foes get fixed?

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

Tehan posted:

Did the 'house feud' thing turning an entire other dynasty into John Wicks that live only for the destruction of your entire bloodline part of Friends and Foes get fixed?

no, just killed a playthrough for me the other day. the "abandon feud" decisions are still unilateral, the only way out is through (kill more of them)

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Party In My Diapee posted:

Does the tech in ck3 still make it optimal to basically never spread your culture?

What's this mean?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

verbal enema posted:

What's this mean?

Tech growth is proportional to the average development in counties of that culture multiplied by... mostly the culture head's learning plus some other stuff.

Since you develop counties one at a time, and it takes a lot of time, and spread is very slow, it's easier to maximise tech if your culture is confined to a small area.

But honestly I think in practice the advantage of doing this is overblown. You can get ahead in tech even with a fairly large culture and you don't need to be ahead in tech to completely dominate your competitors, it's just not that important.

Coward
Sep 10, 2009

I say we take off and surrender unconditionally from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure



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MikeC posted:

TLDR CK3 war guide. In order of priority.

-Become or recruit high martial stat individuals to lead your army. Having a higher martial skill vs your opponent means you get an army wide damage multiplier.
-max out your Knight/Champion/whatever slots and recruit high prowess individuals. These units take very little damage due to the way damage calculation works but high prowess (20+) Knights can churn through hundreds or thousands of levies and will make up a significant portion of the damage dealt even if there only 20 of them in a 5k stack.
-Recruit only the best MaA by Damage and Toughness (HP) score. If a tie exists, pick the higher damage unit and max out the unit size before starting a 2nd unit. With the patch introducing stationing of MAA and eliminating building based global bonuses, you want to commit the fewest counties to the military buildings. Heavy Infantry is the safest choice in any culture with virtually no terrain based penalties. Do not worry about counters. The combat system as of TnT means that it is effectively irrelevant if you only recruit the best MAA.

Shortlist of best MAAs :

Varagian Veterans - Ridiculously high base dmg/HP scores so they scale the best with buildings. Bonuses include countering the other Uber MAA which is Heavy Cav.

If you can't get VVs due to wrong culture then Huscarls or Armored Footman make decent alternatives but aren't nearly as busted. Non white cultures usually have some equivalent to these units that are Heavy Inf.

Horse Archers and Heavy Cav are very good and War Elephants are broken as well. Everything else is trash. If you can't afford these expensive bad boys archer units are your next best bet due to high base attack that scales well with buildings.

- Levy size is the least important factor are mainly there to act as damage sponges to protect your MAAs if they have low toughness scores due to being unstationed or low tech. Levies grow increasingly irrelevant as the game goes on since MAAs scale through buildings but levies do not.

By 1100 (High middle age) tech and bonus stacking means that you don't even really need to take levy size at all into consideration. Good MAAs will kill or route thousands upon thousands of levies while taking maybe a dozen casualties.

Please give me specific advice for starting in Manding in the 800s start date. Do I beeline for HI tech and not build MaA until I get it? Should I be looking at something else?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Do you have a regional light cav unit? I remember the Sahel ones being decent. If not, build archers until you get access to HI or ACav.

MikeC
Jul 19, 2004
BITCH ASS NARC

PittTheElder posted:

Do you have a regional light cav unit? I remember the Sahel ones being decent. If not, build archers until you get access to HI or ACav.

He can't. Archers are the best bet. 25 damage off the bat and he can build pallisades to get a 20% buff.

Get rid of the Uplanders unit and max out the archers and pikemen you already have. Immediately go raid your weaker neighbours (don't screw with Ghana at all yet) for gold and prestige and get another block of Archers to max out your MAA. Levies and Pikes will soak for the Archers. I would rush mustering grounds tech for +2 MAA size and +1 MAA Regiments. You can afford them since the Tribal start means that you pay prestige as upkeep rather than gold. Go with learning lifestyle and right branch of middle tree for faster cultural fascination progress, faster Dev efficiency, and more learning. Keep some money on hand and immediately hire anyone with good martial that comes along.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

MikeC posted:

He can't. Archers are the best bet. 25 damage off the bat and he can build pallisades to get a 20% buff.

Get rid of the Uplanders unit and max out the archers and pikemen you already have. Immediately go raid your weaker neighbours (don't screw with Ghana at all yet) for gold and prestige and get another block of Archers to max out your MAA. Levies and Pikes will soak for the Archers. I would rush mustering grounds tech for +2 MAA size and +1 MAA Regiments. You can afford them since the Tribal start means that you pay prestige as upkeep rather than gold. Go with learning lifestyle and right branch of middle tree for faster cultural fascination progress, faster Dev efficiency, and more learning. Keep some money on hand and immediately hire anyone with good martial that comes along.

Why pikes? Why not just get more archers?

MikeC
Jul 19, 2004
BITCH ASS NARC

Staltran posted:

Why pikes? Why not just get more archers?

You have limited prestige at the start of the game. You don't have enough to disband both the Uplanders and the Pikes and max out 2 new regiments of Archers.

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014
decided to send my ugly, ambitious yet craven character to the pope's tournament to have some fun and maybe win something or make a friend

by the time the festivities ended i was a reclusive alcholic with three levels of stress. i guess tourneys arent for everyone

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

ELTON JOHN posted:

decided to send my ugly, ambitious yet craven character to the pope's tournament to have some fun and maybe win something or make a friend

by the time the festivities ended i was a reclusive alcholic with three levels of stress. i guess tourneys arent for everyone

DJ_Mindboggler
Nov 21, 2013

Elias_Maluco posted:

I think I dont know how to use MaA anymore than cause in my current game, first with the new system, Im using heavy infantry like I always did and they are all stationed and still Im getting my rear end kicked a lot, sometimes to inferior numbers

edit: also I started on 860 and theres so few building slots now that I used most on income stuff, so thats probably why

Heavy Infantry are even more broken now, since you can fine-tune provinces in a way that the AI can't (or at least, doesn't). Stacking barracks/blacksmiths/training grounds in a province gives you super soldiers. You just need to to do a little bit more forward thinking, and know what MaA stacks you're aiming for and develop your provinces accordingly.

The thing now is having dedicated revenue vs. garrison provinces, it's better to have concentrated military and economic buildings v. mixing-and-matching. Duchy capitols should be garrison provinces, since now the duchy building bonus only applies to MaA stacks stationed in that holding.

Muslims (or anyone with secular clergy) can dedicate castle holdings exclusively to military, and use temples for revenue.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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lol

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

DJ_Mindboggler posted:

Heavy Infantry are even more broken now

Honestly, that's an understatement even.

I'm in early medieval Africa, and I can field 13 units of Armored Footmen per regiments thanks to accolades. They get a 140% damage bonus from a normal county, without the duchy capital building.

They aren't broken, they are beyond that. Turbo murdering everything in sight.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

I haven’t worked at specializing holdings yet, I need to do that, I’m still kind of mixing and matching like I used to, but man the bonuses now are huge. I could see how one set of MaA could be destroyed by another smaller one just from one army having more buildings to up the bonuses.

Playing last night, and sometimes I think this game fucks with you if things seem to be going too easy. Had a 77 year old guy who was probably going to die soon. My grandson and heir, who I thought loved me, decided he can’t wait anymore and commits murder-suicide.

So instead of taking over as my grandson, who was ready for the strengthen bloodline decision, and probably would’ve been able to form my witch coven, I now take over as my infant great-grandson, and pray I don’t get murdered. At least he’s genius and beautiful. The other funny thing is that this is consecutive great-grandsons succeeding. I don’t think I’ve ever had one great-grandson succeed me, let alone twice in a row.

jerman999
Apr 26, 2006

This is a lex imperfecta
What are the names of these tie in mods with fishing and dungeon crawling?

Coward
Sep 10, 2009

I say we take off and surrender unconditionally from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure



.

Antigravitas posted:

Honestly, that's an understatement even.

I'm in early medieval Africa, and I can field 13 units of Armored Footmen per regiments thanks to accolades. They get a 140% damage bonus from a normal county, without the duchy capital building.

They aren't broken, they are beyond that. Turbo murdering everything in sight.

Wait, so I SHOULD beeline for HI?

Or do I do that after maxing out Archers?

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Early archers are still pretty good.

The thing is that buildings give percentage bonuses, so as you unlock more buildings at higher tiers the disparity between the types widens and widens in absolute numbers.

e: Especially early I had a bunch of my neighbours with enough skirmishers to completely counter my HI, so I went hard into horsemen and archers instead. Got a good accolade into high tier to have much larger regiments than normal for both.

Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 14:48 on May 27, 2023

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
If you don't start out with Heavy Infantry, taking 80 years to research it during tribal might not be soon enough so yea, go build something else meanwhile. Archers certainly are the most dps per buck, and assuming they're standing behind levies they'll do just fine. The "MAA are OP" thing is about fielding pure stacks of them with no levies (and the new patch's zany bonus buildings), which might take some time depending on who&where you are.

I'll also go out of the way to say that if you have access to a special cultural MAA, take a closer look at it and especially the local terrain buildings you're allowed to build and which MAA type they buff, as not every part of the world does best with Heavy Inf - it's just the default safe bet assuming all things being equal, which they often aren't.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
so, due to windmill slamming that "do more than is necessary" button on illness, I mutilated my first liege (who was a really promising seduction specialist who whipped the realm into shape fast) and died, ending up in a regency situation as a child for the first time, and this bitch is pushing the gas pedal hard

i think i can weather it, but it's a cool gameplay feature. i'm not sure why my reagent is this lady instead of my previous ruler's spouse who was way better aligned to me, i think because i'm a bastard idk

curious; can a regents house (if they have one) assist materially with their attempts to usurp power? i figure if they gift gold it can be used to swing the scales, are there ways to interact directly if you're a ruler with a child or family member in a regent situation somehow?

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

I haven’t played around with it much, but I think you can change regents. There’s a button on the bottom left for regency that should let you change it up.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Can't change regents once they're in power. The button is under the F2 menu near the top, but it's too late now. I've not experienced a mad regent yet, as they've been useless at attempts of abuses of power when I've had them.

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I think I'm gonna park my Norse playthrough, as after the Mann decision doing nothing (well it gave +20 development, but no actual slots anywhere so who cares) all the fun's been sucked out of it. And the thing is, I don't think this was an intentional nerf by the devs, it's just (what my bitter, cynical mind says is) a knock-on effect of the Paradox dev model of rolling poo poo forwards.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
is it just me or is vibrant court the only 1st dynasty talent worth taking?

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
Is there a trick to managing GPU temps with CK3?

I have a Ryzen 5600X and a 3060Ti which really spins up in the map view (and cools down in the lifestyle perk selection view) . Dropping the settings and using the in game frame limiter didn't seem to change much.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

a podcast for cats posted:

Is there a trick to managing GPU temps with CK3?

I have a Ryzen 5600X and a 3060Ti which really spins up in the map view (and cools down in the lifestyle perk selection view) . Dropping the settings and using the in game frame limiter didn't seem to change much.

It'll be the 3d models doing all of that. You can turn them off to be static iirc? Which sounds like a fate worse than fans.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
I never use Nvidia, so I can't talk about their cards, but for AMD you can set power budgets for both CPU and GPU. I have a 5800X3D and I limited its power to 90W in firmware, which cost me an imperceptible amount of performance but now the fan doesn't spin up anymore. I do the same for my GPU via the driver, because I never want to burn 200W+.

Modern hardware seems to spend a ton of power to get the last 10% of performance. If you don't need those few percent, let the firmware manage its clocks to stay below a set power budget. That is much, much better than just capping frames (though vsync is still good, unless you are on Windows)

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Speaking of tech isues, does anyone have trouble with the game now taking huge amounts of RAM after the last update? It's eating 10+ GB and often crashes to desktop if I run it too long and run out of swap, and who the gently caress pays attention to swap space in 2023?

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

Antigravitas posted:

I never use Nvidia, so I can't talk about their cards, but for AMD you can set power budgets for both CPU and GPU. I have a 5800X3D and I limited its power to 90W in firmware, which cost me an imperceptible amount of performance but now the fan doesn't spin up anymore. I do the same for my GPU via the driver, because I never want to burn 200W+.

Modern hardware seems to spend a ton of power to get the last 10% of performance. If you don't need those few percent, let the firmware manage its clocks to stay below a set power budget. That is much, much better than just capping frames (though vsync is still good, unless you are on Windows)

Throttling the card to 95% power limit in MSI Afterburner took out most of the noise. It's not whisper quiet, but much better than it was. Thanks for the tip!

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014
https://twitter.com/PdxInteractive/status/1663216892725678082

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Oh God, PDX made a Yeonmi Park meme. :vince:

I definitely don't know how to explain my love for these games to people.

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