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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

BattleMaster posted:

a colleague of mine has some old crustware that only runs in xp or earlier that is needed to talk to some scientific equipment. we set up an xp vm for it using an sp3 cd and it never asked to be activated. was that a cracked copy or did they remove the activation need from the last release or something?

that's volume license, which anyone intending to pirate windows xp already had about a week before release.

the activation methods have changed significantly in the last 22 years but the fact remains that activation has never been anything but a nuisance to paying customers

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
the FCKGW "devils0wn" volume license leaked like two months before xp was even released to retail. the only time i've actually done the activation sequence was either with a trial key (in which case you just cracked the timebomb) or trying out the aforementioned keygen

Expo70
Nov 15, 2021

Can't talk now, doing
Hot Girl Stuff

nah just the ones who don't do due diligence, or who deliberately do very bad things

i actually really like all of the others they're wonderful

especially your mom

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Sagebrush posted:

Yeah I notice this a lot on the Wikipedia pages for Japanese products.


"Final Fantasy (Fainaru Fantajī) is a video game franchise developed for the Sony Playstation (Sony Pureisuteishon) video game console."

don't forget lifeline, the ps2 game that used voice controls and worked better in english if you did a racist accent

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
i've thought about changing my ham callsign to K4HVD (it's available!) so i'm effectively ungoogleable by that method

mystes
May 31, 2006

Wasn't windows xp activation really easy to get around but then they added additional software stuff to make sure you had a valid copy when you tried to update or something which is presumably 100% irrelevant now anyway?

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

mystes posted:

Wasn't windows xp activation really easy to get around but then they added additional software stuff to make sure you had a valid copy when you tried to update or something which is presumably 100% irrelevant now anyway?

well there have always been cracks. for windows xp/2k3 there were a couple options

- most of the early cracks worked by hooking the activation timer (you would have 30 or 14 days depending on the edition iirc) and then either resetting it periodically or just eliminating it entirely. these were almost always patched out by a service pack or something, but then the crack maker would just update it, rinse, repeat. this is how most modern windows cracks function too

- you could also get a trial edition of windows, activate that, and crack the 120-day trial timebomb by replacing literally one file on the cd. there were also some tools that let you patch it out later (like tweakNT), since it was some registry key within the setup hive

- you could just skip all that by using a volume license key. there was no activation on those, the setup process was essentially the same as win2k. at some point they put some of the most popular ones on a deny list but it was pretty easy to switch to a different, valid key

of course if you used the keygen i talked about earlier then you had your own unique key without activation and deny lists weren't a problem

e: lol originally used that era's terminology :ninja:

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 26, 2023

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



Jonny 290 posted:

i've thought about changing my ham callsign to K4HVD (it's available!) so i'm effectively ungoogleable by that method

code:
"CALLSIGN" site:radioreference.com

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

Jonny 290 posted:

i've thought about changing my ham callsign to K4HVD (it's available!) so i'm effectively ungoogleable by that method

turn your back on the hams and go pirate imo

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

rotor posted:

turn your back on the hams and go pirate imo

my ham license is the only thread of actual legitimate society i have a link to. if i gently caress up my FCC poo poo you all are just going to throw rocks at me bc i'm a random anonymous poor degenerate. It's stupid but when you can't get a mortgage you make do

Not many people can make a legitimate complaint at a power company to force them to replace an arcing 11.5 kv transformer, but i can. and its there in the books.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Jonny 290 posted:

my ham license is the only thread of actual legitimate society i have a link to
hmm

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Jonny 290 posted:

Not many people can make a legitimate complaint at a power company to force them to replace an arcing 11.5 kv transformer, but i can. and its there in the books.

2 hours including wind down every morning. then i lift

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

PIZZA.BAT posted:

i still wonder how that goon is able to sell licenses so cheap and get away with it but ask no questions hear no lies

you can buy them even cheaper on taobao, like $1.50 a license. always worked for me

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

fart simpson posted:

you can buy them even cheaper on taobao, like $1.50 a license. always worked for me

keys for what? the activation works too?

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Beeftweeter posted:

keys for what? the activation works too?

idk how it works they have all the windows. home, pro, business, commerical, 10, 11, whatever.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

you just select which type of license you want, pay, and then 12 seconds later you get an automated message from them with a key. type the key in during windows install and it Just Works

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
huh i'll keep it in mind

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1662273759259295746

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


I'm loving this new genre of "torpedo your career with chatgpt"

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
i read through that, and while i am not a lawyer, i think this is the gist:

1. it's a basic civil case involving a guy suing an airline because a drink cart got out of control on a flight and busted the guy's knee, nothing out of the ordinary

2. one of the lawyers for the plaintiff cited a bunch of cases and some judicial decisions in his argument

3. a couple of weeks after this argument is submitted, the airline's lawyers write to the judge and say "we can't find half of these cited cases in any searches we do"

4. another few days pass and the judge orders the plaintiff's lawyers to produce the cases

5. a month passes, during which i'm sure there were some absolutely incredible emails and phone calls between all parties involved

6. the judge orders the plaintiff's lawyers to show cause why they should not be sanctioned for submitting "bogus" (direct quote) cases and invented judicial decisions

7. the plaintiff's chief counsel says "we had this one dude working the case for us, he's been with the firm for 30 years, i personally have no idea how he did his research, i trusted him, but he will appear in court to explain it to you"

8. that guy has until early june to make his statement.

l m a o.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
now i don't think that this 30 year veteran lawyer used chatgpt to intentionally fabricate cases, brazenly thinking that nobody would check up on them or something.

i think this 30 year veteran lawyer, like so many other people out there, fundamentally misunderstands the technology and believed that he was looking up case law on chatgpt.

this stuff is just a loving catastrophe

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


but I asked chatgpt if the citations were real and it said yes!

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

BMan posted:

but I asked chatgpt if the citations were real and it said yes!

there is literally documentation of this in there somewhere

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

alab when

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Sagebrush posted:

i read through that, and while i am not a lawyer, i think this is the gist:

1. it's a basic civil case involving a guy suing an airline because a drink cart got out of control on a flight and busted the guy's knee, nothing out of the ordinary

2. one of the lawyers for the plaintiff cited a bunch of cases and some judicial decisions in his argument

3. a couple of weeks after this argument is submitted, the airline's lawyers write to the judge and say "we can't find half of these cited cases in any searches we do"

4. another few days pass and the judge orders the plaintiff's lawyers to produce the cases

5. a month passes, during which i'm sure there were some absolutely incredible emails and phone calls between all parties involved

6. the judge orders the plaintiff's lawyers to show cause why they should not be sanctioned for submitting "bogus" (direct quote) cases and invented judicial decisions

7. the plaintiff's chief counsel says "we had this one dude working the case for us, he's been with the firm for 30 years, i personally have no idea how he did his research, i trusted him, but he will appear in court to explain it to you"

8. that guy has until early june to make his statement.

l m a o.

you missed the bit where the plaintiffs lawyers submit supposed copies of this nonexistent case law to the court, which is the huge whoopsiedoodle

like if they'd just realized "hey, our case law doesn't seem to exist, let's just give opposing counsel the w and submit a filing that we couldn't find this poo poo either", they probably could have walked away pretty clean. instead they doubled down on it and it's going to end badly for them.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

look man i know what AI is, I've seen movies, it's a big smart computer that knows everything, why the hell would it be wrong about this??

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Sagebrush posted:

now i don't think that this 30 year veteran lawyer used chatgpt to intentionally fabricate cases, brazenly thinking that nobody would check up on them or something.

i think this 30 year veteran lawyer, like so many other people out there, fundamentally misunderstands the technology and believed that he was looking up case law on chatgpt.

this stuff is just a loving catastrophe

a former supreme court of ontario judge asked me to help them get the chatgpt app on their phone the other day

they are not dumb, but i'm very sure they don't understand what chatgpt is

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 12:32 on May 27, 2023

jemand
Sep 19, 2018

Jabor posted:

you missed the bit where the plaintiffs lawyers submit supposed copies of this nonexistent case law to the court, which is the huge whoopsiedoodle

like if they'd just realized "hey, our case law doesn't seem to exist, let's just give opposing counsel the w and submit a filing that we couldn't find this poo poo either", they probably could have walked away pretty clean. instead they doubled down on it and it's going to end badly for them.

That's another point of evidence in favor of the option they totally don't understand what this technology does, and think it's a simple lookup of case law.

The reinforcement learning phase of training these models is conducted in a way that will hyper tune it to make the output extremely persuasive during a shallow and fast reading. They're not interested in paying their 3rd world, low wage contractors sufficiently to allow them to examine each output more deeply than a single glance, much less any willingness to trust their workforce for that kind of task.

Guarantee that in their training process there's an extreme focus on throughput and minimizing human time per training example-- but that inherently rewards the model in finding patterns in human psychology that increases persuasion and builds unearned confidence. If I had to guess, the 1st person anthropomorphic references the model uses, the sycophatic tendency to repeat back a rephrasing or extension of the user's thought, and the apologetic tendencies to correct anything whenever challenged are big players in this. Most of that likely starts as a design choice in their labeling instructions, but the exact implementation is reinforced through training to be as effective as possible.

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Jabor posted:

you missed the bit where the plaintiffs lawyers submit supposed copies of this nonexistent case law to the court, which is the huge whoopsiedoodle

like if they'd just realized "hey, our case law doesn't seem to exist, let's just give opposing counsel the w and submit a filing that we couldn't find this poo poo either", they probably could have walked away pretty clean. instead they doubled down on it and it's going to end badly for them.

also there’s an affidavit from the dude who did the chatgpt and it’s basically ‘whoops thought this was real sorry bro’ and the judge replies with a bunch of new “I’m gonna gently caress you up” charges to the submitter and his firm (also ps I can gently caress you up even if you’re not officially under my jurisdiction)

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Sagebrush posted:

now i don't think that this 30 year veteran lawyer used chatgpt to intentionally fabricate cases, brazenly thinking that nobody would check up on them or something.

i think this 30 year veteran lawyer, like so many other people out there, fundamentally misunderstands the technology and believed that he was looking up case law on chatgpt.

this stuff is just a loving catastrophe

these morons seem to think that it's actively conmected to the internet or something

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Luigi Thirty posted:

there is literally documentation of this in there somewhere

that’s the funniest part of it to me

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Improbable Lobster posted:

these morons seem to think that it's actively conmected to the internet or something

but it's on a website?????

jemand
Sep 19, 2018

BMan posted:

but I asked chatgpt if the citations were real and it said yes!





From the body of the reply, comes this:

idiot lawyer's filing posted:

6. As the use of generative artificial intelligence has evolved within law firms, your affiant consulted the artificial intelligence website Chat GPT in order to supplement the legal research performed.

7. It was in consultation with the generative artificial intelligence website Chat GPT, that your affiant did locate and cite the following cases in the affirmation in opposition submitted, which this Court has found to be nonexistant: (list of 6 cases)

8. That the citations and opinions in question were provided by Chat GPT which also provided its legal source and assured the reliability of its content. Excerpts from the queries presented and responses provided are attached hereto.

.....

13. That your affiant greatly regrets having utilized generative artificial intelligence to supplement the legal research performed herein and will never do so in the future without absolute verification of its authenticity.


I also looked up the copies of the court cases he'd supplied back in April, they are formatted weirdly & differently to the real ones, and the font face is an exact match for the chat GPT screen captures, and different in several obvious particulars to the font used in the 2 real cases and in all the rest of the legal submissions that I have seen.

I also found the filing that was associated with the uploaded bogus case excerpts, and in that one the idiot lawyer described what he was supplying as "The opinions in the cases of (list of the generated bullshit) may not be inclusive of the entire opinions but only what is made available by online database."

It's pretty clear dude had an absolutely incorrect understanding of what was going on. I.e., thought he was talking to an actual no-poo poo artificial intelligence who had direct and ongoing access to vast legal databases.

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Improbable Lobster posted:

these morons seem to think that it's actively conmected to the internet or something

it is, now

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

now i don't think that this 30 year veteran lawyer used chatgpt to intentionally fabricate cases, brazenly thinking that nobody would check up on them or something.

i think this 30 year veteran lawyer, like so many other people out there, fundamentally misunderstands the technology and believed that he was looking up case law on chatgpt.

this stuff is just a loving catastrophe
this is like people finding incorrect information on some random-rear end web page and saying "google lied to me"

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Chris Knight posted:

this is like people finding incorrect information on some random-rear end web page and saying "google lied to me"

when I was a college freshman the writing professor demonstrated this by showing how the second or third google result for MLK was a stormfront website about how he was a filthy communist who stole white women

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
thats, uh, thats personalized results

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

thats, uh, thats personalized results

Even if so, it doesn't invalidate the point he was making.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Sagebrush posted:

Even if so, it doesn't invalidate the point he was making.

it sure doesnt but a separate :stare: can be had is my point

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

bob dobbs is dead posted:

it sure doesnt but a separate :stare: can be had is my point

assuming he was logged in

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