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Chalks posted:The holy war part is a little creepy, but what ever gets the job done I guess. It's incredible to live in a time where participants in a war release trailers for their upcoming offensives. Propaganda movies aren't exactly a novel invention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkIM5CObC0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ngETXxI5pg Still waiting for Ukrainian propagandists to start drumming for post-war protectionism, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlZHvh-tOQg
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May 27, 2023 13:23
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This got buried a bit in the other talk which is a shame because it's some really neat stuff. It's a pretty forward-thinking initiative to begin with but actively pushing it in the middle of a war and even integrating wartime functionality into the app is a hell of a thing. Digitizing bureaucracy is also an interesting way of cutting out corruption - harder to do meaningful winks and nods or subtle cash handovers via e-mail, I guess. Also has some interesting implications for post-war Ukraine - making it easier and more convenient to file for a new business, for instance, or for government assistance in wartime rebuilding could actually go a fair ways in making post-war recovery go better.
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May 27, 2023 13:36
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Really not a fan of "god-given land" rhetoric. I hear holy wars don't have the greatest track record of resolving in a timely fashion.
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May 27, 2023 13:55
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Fidelitious posted:Really not a fan of "god-given land" rhetoric. I hear holy wars don't have the greatest track record of resolving in a timely fashion. yea it's very concerning the Ukrainians didn't use the exact correct wording in their video about taking back occupied land from an invading fascist dictatorship.
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May 27, 2023 14:04
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"There is no force in the world that can stop this nation from achieving its UN mandated goal of living free on its 1994 Budapest Memorandum given land" doesn't have the same ring on it.
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May 27, 2023 14:08
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all propaganda is cringe
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May 27, 2023 14:08
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Very concerned that Ukrainians plan to kill their invaders. I honestly don't know if I can continue to support them after this. Do better. In all seriousness, given the text at the end, could it just be a recruitment video?
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May 27, 2023 14:13
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It's inescapable that WWII is the reference point for a just war against an aggressor. Just like Russia, the one war Ukraine knows and remembers as holy is WWII, and a lot of propaganda points and iconography are lifted from that period, although in Ukraine's case it's now less explicit, even if more warranted. Holy War (Священная война) is probably the most recognisable wartime song, and in February 2022 it was even in rotation on Ukrainian TV over haphazardly edited footage of the full-scale invasion.
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May 27, 2023 14:16
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beer_war posted:In all seriousness, given the text at the end, could it just be a recruitment video? It is, I don't know why people think it is an ad for the offensive
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May 27, 2023 14:24
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Storkrasch posted:It's interesting speaking to Russians in the west about this, because every single opposition politician except their favourite is controlled opposition. There's this paranoia where depending on who you speak to, Navalny, Sobchak (reasonable arguments here, maybe), Yashin, Kara-Murza, Roizman, Katz etc are all either controlled by Putin, or the person who will save Russian democracy. Of course Ukranians have no interest when Russian opposition abroad still somehow manage to produce amazing takes about "our boys" and how "the moral thing to do is to donate to both sides" (???). The latter one could have been trolling or psyop but it stirred the poo poo up well and good. Anyway, there are fairly regular blunders from the "good russians" as they call themselves, about either "our boys" or inferiority of post-soviet republics and when everone yells at them its the same old song how stressful it is to be RU opposition and can't a person make a teensy mistake after opposing Putin so much??
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May 27, 2023 14:28
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Sekenr posted:Anyway, there are fairly regular blunders from the "good russians" as they call themselves, about either "our boys" or inferiority of post-soviet republics and when everone yells at them its the same old song how stressful it is to be RU opposition and can't a person make a teensy mistake after opposing Putin so much??
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May 27, 2023 15:10
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https://twitter.com/MT_Anderson/status/1662199951596883968 The Ivan Khurs, the Russian ship attacked by several drones recently, is back in her normal berth apparently without visible damage
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May 27, 2023 15:22
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HDC posted:I don’t think anybody unironically calls himself a “good russian”, if at all Kasparov and others were proposing a special visa scheme where if you could be shown to be a "good Russian"/"European Russian" (паспорт хорошего русского) you would be able to travel to the EU easier, rather than having blanket bans on Russian citizens. It required filling out a form where you'd say that Crimea was Ukraine, the war is bad, etc. Not sure that "good Russian" was what they actually wanted to call it, but it was what people were calling it when they were discussing it afterwards, at least.
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May 27, 2023 15:23
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Storkrasch posted:It required filling out a form where you'd say that Crimea was Ukraine, the war is bad, etc. Doesn't sound like a trap at all
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May 27, 2023 15:30
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FuturePastNow posted:Doesn't sound like a trap at all The idea was that you'd burn bridges with the Putin regime, and get advantages when travelling/fleeing out of Russia. I think. My experience is that Kasparov is kind of a doofus politically.
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May 27, 2023 15:35
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Storkrasch posted:Not sure that "good Russian" was what they actually wanted to call it, but it was what people were calling it when they were discussing it afterwards, at least.
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May 27, 2023 16:32
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fatherboxx posted:It is, I don't know why people think it is an ad for the offensive It's weird as all the major news outlet don't seem to mention the ending text
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May 27, 2023 17:45
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Willo567 posted:It's weird as all the major news outlet don't seem to mention the ending text Things can be multiple things at once, though.
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May 27, 2023 18:20
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fatherboxx posted:Yeah, he is very weird, has a pet toad and a map of divided Russia in the cabinet and leans heavily into his meme status of a man who is behind every fire or crash in Russia and occupied territories. Uncommon to have an intelligence guy in a such public position, but Ukraine has been writing the new playbook for doing the media game, so maybe it is worth it. Its gonna be some time before it gets clear if his command over HUR got tangible results or if it is mostly smoke.
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May 28, 2023 06:41
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fatherboxx posted:Yeah, he is very weird, has a pet toad and a map of divided Russia in the cabinet and leans heavily into his meme status of a man who is behind every fire or crash in Russia and occupied territories. Uncommon to have an intelligence guy in a such public position, but Ukraine has been writing the new playbook for doing the media game, so maybe it is worth it. Its gonna be some time before it gets clear if his command over HUR got tangible results or if it is mostly smoke. Try as I might I cannot picture, say, George Smiley posting a photo of his lighter on Twitter with a bunch of  emojis underneath it.
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May 28, 2023 07:01
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Try as I might I cannot picture, say, George Smiley posting a photo of his lighter on Twitter with a bunch of "They've turned the Discord inside out!"
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May 28, 2023 07:50
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Try as I might I cannot picture, say, George Smiley posting a photo of his lighter on Twitter with a bunch of I think George HW Bush was fairly public when he was in charge of CIA, but probably not to the point of dropping Operation Condor jokes.
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May 28, 2023 09:55
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fatherboxx posted:I think George HW Bush was fairly public when he was in charge of CIA, but probably not to the point of dropping Operation Condor jokes. More recently, Pompeo was pretty vocal, too.
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May 28, 2023 10:11
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ChubbyChecker posted:all propaganda is cringe
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May 28, 2023 12:00
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Atreiden posted:yea it's very concerning the Ukrainians didn't use the exact correct wording in their video about taking back occupied land from an invading fascist dictatorship. Let me introduce you to the idea that things occur in more shades than black and white and and that criticizing one minor decision is allowed, and that it does not in fact mean that I am calling for Ukraine's immediate surrender. I am glad that this thread is very supportive of Ukraine, but for gently caress's sake, they are not infallible divine gods. It was unfortunate wording, that's it. You don't need to leap to their defense.
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May 28, 2023 12:55
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And you can accept that words have different connotations in different languages and English speakers shouldn't jump at every opportunity to enforce their instinctive semantic conclusions as universal.
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May 28, 2023 13:00
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Fidelitious posted:Let me introduce you to the idea that things occur in more shades than black and white and and that criticizing one minor decision is allowed, and that it does not in fact mean that I am calling for Ukraine's immediate surrender. get over yourself buddy, the fact you didn't like their word choice and had to tell everyone is just silly.
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May 28, 2023 14:03
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Fidelitious posted:Let me introduce you to the idea that things occur in more shades than black and white and and that criticizing one minor decision is allowed, and that it does not in fact mean that I am calling for Ukraine's immediate surrender. “Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force: You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.” Goons: “Yikes, did Eisenhower have to call this a holy war? Bad look imo”
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May 28, 2023 15:01
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Democracies have to be flexible. There is nothing democratic about how a military is run- it’s authoritarian because it’s a machine so it has to be. Ukraine is dipping into what feels really fash adjacent to many but what matters is after, not as much what is happening on the battlefield in regards to wording. Ukraine is a battlefield, one for their own survival. Parents shouldn’t yell at their kids. It’s 100% ok to yell at your kid if it means life or death or even injury. Ukraine will win this war and when they do, they will drop the ra ra holy war poo poo because they won’t have to tap into such primal feelings just to stay alive. They will do mundane crap like complaining that their democracy is boring and I look forward to that day.
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May 28, 2023 15:19
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I think people are underestimating how much faith is held in Ukraine (and Europe for that matter). A quick search puts the number at 85% of the population of Ukraine identifying as Christians with over 50% of the total population (rising over the past 20 years) attending church services weekly until the war started in 2022. The USA for comparison is 75% (all religions combined) and 47% regularly attending services (and dropping over the same 20 year period ) Finding comfort and strength in faith during war is nothing new and if it helps keep cohesion and common cause it’s a strength.
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May 28, 2023 15:34
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I did see one twitter take that it was an homage to a "prayer for Ukraine" hymn or something. I'm don't know if that's accurate or what, but at least in context it makes more sense. It's just a weird little propaganda guy.
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May 28, 2023 15:35
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To be fair... posted:Ukraine will win this war and when they do, they will drop the ra ra holy war poo poo because they won’t have to tap into such primal feelings just to stay alive. They will do mundane crap like complaining that their democracy is boring and I look forward to that day. Even after this war, there are going to be those in Eastern Ukraine who are still going to pine for the days when the Soviet Union kept the coal mines and steel mills open. While I laud your optimism, I can't help but think that the immediate post-war years for Ukraine are going to be horrifically marred by the fact that while we're more than happy to give them weapons to fight Russia, when it comes to giving them money to rebuild their country, we're going to leave them hanging.
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May 28, 2023 16:45
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Fidelitious posted:Let me introduce you to the idea that things occur in more shades than black and white and and that criticizing one minor decision is allowed, and that it does not in fact mean that I am calling for Ukraine's immediate surrender. Do you actually honestly seriously believe Ukraine is encouraging Orthodox jihad, or what the heck is your issue exactly.
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May 28, 2023 18:12
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Grape posted:Do you actually honestly seriously believe Ukraine is encouraging Orthodox jihad, or what the heck is your issue exactly. The country being genocided made them uncomfortable with the wrong words in their propaganda anti-genocide video.
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May 28, 2023 18:30
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mutata posted:The country being genocided made them uncomfortable with the wrong words in their propaganda anti-genocide video. Apparently this war is not a safe space.
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May 28, 2023 19:11
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Girkin is now accusing Prigozhin of planning a coup. At this point one or more war criminals are going to get defenestrated, we just don't know yet which ones 
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May 28, 2023 19:19
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cool video about taking out observation cameras and counter drone ops with a lot of explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw0sQ7FzUKE poo poo is like spy vs spy
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May 28, 2023 19:31
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LifeSunDeath posted:cool video about taking out observation cameras and counter drone ops with a lot of explanation This video again reminded me how many russian musicians support the war.
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May 28, 2023 20:21
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New Perun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVNjqX5HQGQ Suspiciously insistent that he is a normal person with normal hobbies.
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May 28, 2023 20:31
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Antigravitas posted:Suspiciously insistent that he is a normal person with normal hobbies. Hasn't he openly mentioned he's part of, or a contractor for the Australian department of defense?
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