|
Arc Hammer posted:Not true. She's also a catalyst to bring out the best in other people and her genuine compassion is an incredible strength within corpo hell-world. "Even so!" but, you know, actually compelling. e:Terrible snipe
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 16:42 |
|
|
Arc Hammer posted:Not true. She's also a catalyst to bring out the best in other people and her genuine compassion is an incredible strength within corpo hell-world. Also a very good
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:26
|
|
|
Suletta, who when Eri reintroduces herself to her says, “remember all those times you played pilot simulation games with me demanding rematches until you beat me?”, the person who has been piloting on Mercury saving random old miners from dying? Not good at piloting and relying entirely on Aerial? Aerial is the reason she is as good as she is because they pushed each other to be better pilots. Working together they are super powerful in the same way a team who have worked together since childhood would be. But alone they also are great at what they do and the show is going to show that I imagine.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:26
|
|
|
Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:You straight up misunderstood what was happening then We're just interpreting that particular fight differently, that's fine. I personally think having autonomous kill-drones and consequence-free high Permet is an unfair advantage even if they weren't working together (and that's a little more ambiguous in the dialogue of the sub than in the dub). I also don't think Shaddiq is a major contender for being one of the best pilots in the show. He's a shady opportunist who counted on having an unbeatable trump card and he was almost right except that Aerial could just turn it off. Weird BIAS posted:Aerial is the reason she is as good as she is because they pushed each other to be better pilots. Working together they are super powerful in the same way a team who have worked together since childhood would be. But alone they also are great at what they do and the show is going to show that I imagine. This is a bit more compelling, though. I'll let them cook.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:38
|
|
|
MonsterEnvy posted:To be exact, I think people are getting caught up on this being a revenge scheme for Prospera. She clearly has higher goals than that. I think this is as close to the actual revenge plot you are going to get. If cradle planet is still canon then the revenge she was plotting probably has more to do with forcefully closing pandoras box and owning everyone that decided to weaponize the tech. Even Delling with the use of QZ still thinks of it as a curse rather than a corporate opportunity, which ironically would put him steps below the Peils, New Grassley, Ochs Earths in her poo poo list.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:43
|
|
|
How is no one mentioning that Shaddiq's real name is Jeru Ogul?
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:52
|
|
|
Would you want people knowing that's your real name?
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:54
|
|
|
Ammat The Ankh posted:How is no one mentioning that Shaddiq's real name is Jeru Ogul? Gundam names and Star War names are closer than you realize
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 22:55
|
|
|
God, the loving "Guel... you defiled Miorine..." scene, he's just the absolute worst
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 23:11
|
|
|
Ammat The Ankh posted:How is no one mentioning that Shaddiq's real name is Jeru Ogul? Google translate says that it's Turkmen for son of a bitch, and I'm going to choose to believe that's accurate.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 23:14
|
|
|
Me when Suletta Hamgetta: you go girl we've all been there  also https://twitter.com/Gee0Man/status/1662923488922075137
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 23:26
|
|
|
Supremezero posted:Also a very good No no, that first one is also correct. https://twitter.com/homa_ririri/status/1662783176123752452
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 23:36
|
|
|
Reclaimer posted:We're just interpreting that particular fight differently, that's fine. I personally think having autonomous kill-drones and consequence-free high Permet is an unfair advantage even if they weren't working together (and that's a little more ambiguous in the dialogue of the sub than in the dub). I also don't think Shaddiq is a major contender for being one of the best pilots in the show. He's a shady opportunist who counted on having an unbeatable trump card and he was almost right except that Aerial could just turn it off. Shaddiq's one of the highest rankest duelists, and only below Guel in the ranking because he doesn't ever fight Guel. His gang fills up the 10 ten. SO out of all the people we've seen, they're absolutely the best. Suletta went 1v5 vs five of the top pilots in the school in Real Deal Combat MS, and despite only really trying AFTER the Aerial was crippled, she still defeated most of them before being taken down by Shaddiq joining in a fresh unit. Even with Bits, that's a hell of a feat.
|
|
#
?
May 28, 2023 23:58
|
|
|
Kchama posted:Shaddiq's one of the highest rankest duelists, and only below Guel in the ranking because he doesn't ever fight Guel. His gang fills up the 10 ten. SO out of all the people we've seen, they're absolutely the best. Suletta went 1v5 vs five of the top pilots in the school in Real Deal Combat MS, and despite only really trying AFTER the Aerial was crippled, she still defeated most of them before being taken down by Shaddiq joining in a fresh unit. Even with Bits, that's a hell of a feat. Well Renee and Sabina are in the top 10 the other three were not, but are presumably still quite good. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 00:04 on May 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:01
|
|
|
Kchama posted:Shaddiq's one of the highest rankest duelists, and only below Guel in the ranking because he doesn't ever fight Guel. His gang fills up the 10 ten. SO out of all the people we've seen, they're absolutely the best. Suletta went 1v5 vs five of the top pilots in the school in Real Deal Combat MS, and despite only really trying AFTER the Aerial was crippled, she still defeated most of them before being taken down by Shaddiq joining in a fresh unit. Even with Bits, that's a hell of a feat. I'm still of the opinion that he genuinely could have won the duel if he just went for the shot instead of monologuing first. But he didn't, and he got sniped by Chuchu's team, and the same episode demonstrated Miorine planned for that specific occasion because she knew how much a braggart he was. And honestly it feels like he didn't learn a drat thing from his defeat, given his actions leading up to and including this episode.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:05
|
|
|
StrifeHira posted:I'm still of the opinion that he genuinely could have won the duel if he just went for the shot instead of monologuing first. But he didn't, and he got sniped by Chuchu's team, and the same episode demonstrated Miorine planned for that specific occasion because she knew how much a braggart he was. And honestly it feels like he didn't learn a drat thing from his defeat, given his actions leading up to and including this episode. Oh he absolutely had her defeated. He had won. That's why he felt he could monologue, and Miorine took total advantage of that like you said. And indeed, he didn't learn, which is why he's the villain and Guel is a good guy. MonsterEnvy posted:Well Renee and Sabina are in the top 10 the other three were not, but are presumably still quite good. Fair. But still, having 3 slots out of the top ten means you're packing the talent of the school.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:10
|
|
|
Kchama posted:Shaddiq's one of the highest rankest duelists, and only below Guel in the ranking because he doesn't ever fight Guel. Zeroing in on this here: The dueling system at the academy is absolutely wack and you can just buy wins through cheating, bribery or outspending your opponents. I don't really care about their arbitrary paper ranks. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on the rest of it.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:34
|
|
|
Reclaimer posted:Zeroing in on this here: The dueling system at the academy is absolutely wack and you can just buy wins through cheating, bribery or outspending your opponents. I don't really care about their arbitrary paper ranks. We're never given any reason to think that Shaddiq has his position despite secretly sucking. Same can be said for all of them. We're also not presented with cheating, bribery, or outspending being normal, despite it being legal. Except for Guel vs Suletta, pretty much all the fights have been fights without active cheating. We've never seen bribery happen (and I'm not sure how bribery would help outside of convincing someone to throw a match), either. It's been largely presented that if you're in the top ten, then you have the skill to back it up, because all of those people actually put up real fights against Suletta. Unless we're just expected to believe that Suletta sucks and is artificially buoyed by everyone actually being worthless but secretly bought their way to the top, in addition to having a Gundam. Which considering we saw her doing just fine against trained soldiers in Gundams, I don't think is the case. EDIT: And I mean, Cradle Planet makes it super clear that she's an amazing pilot and doesn't need Aerial help to do amazing things. And that comes from Aerial herself. Kchama fucked around with this message at 00:50 on May 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:46
|
|
|
The real answer is Suletta is exactly as good a pilot at any given moment as the plot needs her to be.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:49
|
|
|
I'd almost say that her skill as a pilotnid the least important part of her skillset.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:54
|
|
|
Hogama posted:Spoiler-free illustration from Gyoubu, I'm linking it now because I like it. I like how Mio is on the tippiest of toes and still barely reaches Guel's shoulder
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 00:55
|
|
|
I swear, we've had this exact same "Is Suletta a good pilot???" argument earlier in the thread and I'm not sure why there's so much scrutiny. Did the main Gundam thread ever argue while live-watching a previous series whether the protagonist was a good pilot or not? I was reading the thread when IBO's season 1 and Re:Rise aired and I don't remember if anyone ever argued that Mika can't be a good pilot because the three Whiskers gave him an unfair advantage, or something.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:00
|
|
|
Time is a flat circle
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:05
|
|
|
rip feng.......
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:11
|
|
|
Kchama posted:It's been largely presented that if you're in the top ten, then you have the skill to back it up, because all of those people actually put up real fights against Suletta. Those are also the only people at the school that want to fight her lmao
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:16
|
|
|
Reclaimer posted:Those are also the only people at the school that want to fight her lmao No that's explicitly not true. Episode 13 had her style on a bunch of other duelists, because she had managed to avoid duels on the basis of Aerial being out for repairs. I don't get why you think this is a zinger though, since "All the best pilots want to fight her, and everyone else is scared of her" would imply that she's in fact good.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:22
|
|
|
Kchama posted:No that's explicitly not true. Episode 13 had her style on a bunch of other duelists, because she had managed to avoid duels on the basis of Aerial being out for repairs. It's more like, the most wealthy contenders want Aerial and Miorine the most and the rest of the students don't really have as much of a stake in either of those things. If the ranking system is read as completely fair and objective then ChuChu oughta be in the top five.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:24
|
|
|
amigolupus posted:I swear, we've had this exact same "Is Suletta a good pilot???" argument earlier in the thread and I'm not sure why there's so much scrutiny. Did the main Gundam thread ever argue while live-watching a previous series whether the protagonist was a good pilot or not? I was reading the thread when IBO's season 1 and Re:Rise aired and I don't remember if anyone ever argued that Mika can't be a good pilot because the three Whiskers gave him an unfair advantage, or something. I feel like this mostly manifests in powerscaling-adjacent discussion that I've never been to interested in, but there's absolutely discussion about pilot skill and you get caveats for suit power and the particular depictions of the character in their source media etc. In this case, the Gundam has its own sentience and has been mediating the drawbacks of GUND for Suletta, so I don't think it's weird to question how well she'll perform when that's taken away. But I suppose that framing is more towards future episodes and less trying to diminish her accomplishments so far.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:25
|
|
|
Somebody finding a wrecked but salvageable Gundam in that hanger would be a good inciting incident in a spin-off manga…
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:28
|
|
|
i was a bit lost by the ochs earth/SAL stuff, what was their whole thing again??
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:33
|
|
|
Booky posted:i was a bit lost by the ochs earth/SAL stuff, what was their whole thing again?? I think... SAL wants to check the power of the corporations and took over the remains of ochs earth after the incident and was arming dawn of earth in some proxy war.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:38
|
|
amigolupus posted:I swear, we've had this exact same "Is Suletta a good pilot???" argument earlier in the thread and I'm not sure why there's so much scrutiny. Did the main Gundam thread ever argue while live-watching a previous series whether the protagonist was a good pilot or not? I was reading the thread when IBO's season 1 and Re:Rise aired and I don't remember if anyone ever argued that Mika can't be a good pilot because the three Whiskers gave him an unfair advantage, or something. It probably doesn't help that "the protagonist is a bad/unskilled pilot carried by technical superiority" is an extremely common trope in gundam as a series that usually presents some amount of a developmental roadblock for most protagonists, so people are so used to it that they're getting tilted by it very explicitly not being the case with Suletta, someone who has been repeatedly demonstrated to be more or less a prodigy.
|
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:41
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/baleinetea/status/1662909529808572416?s=46&t=K6CRMiA33aFQep_ZPx64DQ
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:45
|
|
|
Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:It probably doesn't help that "the protagonist is a bad/unskilled pilot carried by technical superiority" is an extremely common trope in gundam as a series that usually presents some amount of a developmental roadblock for most protagonists, so people are so used to it that they're getting tilted by it very explicitly not being the case with Suletta, someone who has been repeatedly demonstrated to be more or less a prodigy. Is it?? Setsuna season 1 was like the only recent example And generally 19 episodes later is way past the point that someone is still carried
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:46
|
|
|
Booky posted:i was a bit lost by the ochs earth/SAL stuff, what was their whole thing again?? Literally just came here to link this tweet thread. This helped clear some things up for me https://twitter.com/benjanun_s/status/1662824818759303169?s=20
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:46
|
|
|
Tae posted:Is it?? Setsuna season 1 was like the only recent example Banagher I’m Unicorn. I think the first kid in Age counts too.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:56
|
|
|
I think Shiro Amada is technically an Ace pilot in terms of kills but I'd never consider him to be that talented outside of his homicidal Ball vs Zaku stunt.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 01:59
|
|
|
Arc Hammer posted:I think Shiro Amada is technically an Ace pilot in terms of kills but I'd never consider him to be that talented outside of his homicidal Ball vs Zaku stunt. Lol that time he shot every cubic millimeter of that road except the ones containing Norris.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 02:04
|
|
|
Arc Hammer posted:I think Shiro Amada is technically an Ace pilot in terms of kills but I'd never consider him to be that talented outside of his homicidal Ball vs Zaku stunt. He’s at least received pilot and officer training by the start of the show. And he’s definitely not coasting on an over powered suit, the Ground Type is a glorified GM.
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 02:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 16:42 |
|
|
Gripweed posted:https://twitter.com/baleinetea/status/1662909529808572416?s=46&t=K6CRMiA33aFQep_ZPx64DQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaBV3YfXnSs
|
|
#
?
May 29, 2023 02:06
|
|