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Until fair & equitable progressive taxes are the rule of law I will not support the federal government's money cops going after the poors.  I've worked with richies for several decades & know how they shield their income (lawfully) from taxation.
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May 29, 2023 03:20
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Vox Nihili posted:IRS doesn't execute anyone Nah, they just spam out American Opportunity Tax Credit and EITC tax credit letters and ignore the response correspondence, then spam out Notices of Deficiency to force poor people to pay $60 for the 'privilege' of contesting the matter in the US Tax Court/Appeals.
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May 29, 2023 03:21
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willas right
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May 29, 2023 03:22
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Mr Hootington posted:Taxes are good and the irs should go after rich people and businesses.  Federal taxes don’t pay for poo poo. The federal government doesn’t need your money and can just print more. State taxes are cool and good. Also, the feds spend the money on dumb poo poo like bombs that murder poor minorities.
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May 29, 2023 03:24
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FlapYoJacks posted:State taxes are cool and good. Sales & Use Taxes are regressive as hell, and most state tax authorities are far, far worse to deal with than the IRS.
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May 29, 2023 03:26
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Taxes are theft and freedom isn't free
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May 29, 2023 03:30
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Surprise! Your poo poo is: Bankrupt
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May 29, 2023 03:30
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It's mainly poors, immigrants & other disenfranchised people who get paid under the table. They should be able to continue to do so bc that is praxis, my friends, and more lucrative than scamming the self-checkout by not declaring your organic produce.
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May 29, 2023 03:31
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:there is no such thing as "people who know wine", all the wine tasting poo poo is fake as gently caress No but I think there's a difference between people who enjoy wine and people trying to maximize drunkenness per dollar. Sort of like I have to imagine a blacksmith shops for anvils differently than Bugs Bunny does.
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May 29, 2023 03:42
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Willa Rogers posted:It's mainly poors, immigrants & other disenfranchised people who get paid under the table. They should be able to continue to do so bc that is praxis, my friends, and more lucrative than scamming the self-checkout by not declaring your organic produce. Actually their employers should be imprisoned for tax evasion and stripped of their assets
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May 29, 2023 03:44
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My understanding was that the IRS is kept deliberately underfunded in order to make sure that they can only go after poor people.
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May 29, 2023 03:46
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https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1662952577548386304
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May 29, 2023 03:49
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Vox Nihili posted:Actually their employers should be imprisoned for tax evasion and stripped of their assets I'm talking self-employment here. but there are also other systemic reasons that some employers pay cash (difficult immigration laws; forcing employers to pay for private health insurance). things are hosed bc the wealthy are those who write the tax laws, which favor the wealthy. eta: the cash economy for poors is the way the poors get to write the tax laws. 
Willa Rogers has issued a correction as of 03:52 on May 29, 2023 |
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May 29, 2023 03:50
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Any aliens monitoring our computer networks: I will do it for absolutely nothing in return
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May 29, 2023 03:53
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The American Imperialist state can not be reformed. It must become small enough to drown in a bathtub. —Comrade Naurqvizt, probably
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May 29, 2023 03:55
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Willa Rogers posted:but there are also other systemic reasons that some employers pay cash (difficult immigration laws; forcing employers to pay for private health insurance). the main reason by far is tax evasion and evasion of payments into social welfare programs such as unemployment insurance, which collectively leave "under the table" workers helpless and reliant on their employers' largess
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May 29, 2023 03:55
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i am harry posted:I will do it for absolutely nothing in return so will i but it's bad negotiation to start out saying that
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May 29, 2023 04:00
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Vox Nihili posted:the main reason by far is tax evasion and evasion of payments into social welfare programs such as unemployment insurance, which collectively leave "under the table" workers helpless and reliant on their employers' largess There are lots of reasons, many greedy & some practical; the cash economy is a complex situation, but a lot of people survive bc of it. It shouldn't be this way (we should have a functional government safety net) but it's necessary in lieu of a functional government.
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May 29, 2023 04:05
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Like, the neighborhood granny who does daycare; the immigrant caregiver who looks after elders; the teens doing yardwork--yes, technically, they should all being paying taxes on their income. Are you exploiting their labor if you aren't reporting their income, and/or they insist on being paid cash?
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May 29, 2023 04:13
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there was an article last year or the year before that claimed something along the lines of how the IRS disproportionately "targets" low and mid-income people, especially on stuff like EITC and similar programs. this article was mysteriously () published around the time the Biden admin was pushing for increasing the IRS budget a lot of people latched onto that and built very anti-IRS attitudes (or reinforced existing such attitudes) however, deeper scrutiny revealed that the reason the IRS levels a disproportionate amount of enforcement at poors is because: a) stuff like EITC are both very common and formulaic, which makes cheat attempts very easy to detect (i.e. there are no remaining new and innovative ways to cheat at EITC anymore, the IRS has seen it all, and the overwhelming majority of the flagging happens automatically by computerized systems, then gets reviewed by a human) b) they don't have the resources to deeply scrutinize rich people's returns and aggressively go after detected evasion or fraud, because unlike the EITC, every rich fucker's return tends to be complex with many unique aspects, and also because rich people employ armies of accountants and lawyers and can drag cases in courts for years increasing the IRS budget should help with b, which is why the GOP has been freaking the gently caress out about it
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May 29, 2023 04:13
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shocker, thorn supports more money for more money cops, bc it makes the chuds mad.
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May 29, 2023 04:16
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Willa Rogers posted:Until fair & equitable progressive taxes are the rule of law I will not support the federal government's money cops going after the poors. That's right, but taxes in the abstract are good
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May 29, 2023 04:16
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Ok fine my bad. Bill still sux
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May 29, 2023 04:17
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Willa Rogers posted:shocker, thorn supports more money for more money cops, bc it makes the chuds mad. i support more money for money cops because it makes rich people mad
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May 29, 2023 04:17
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Mr Hootington posted:That's right, but taxes in the abstract are good 
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May 29, 2023 04:18
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:i support more money for money cops because it makes rich people mad Except that the hires are only replacing ~50,000 of staff anticipated to retire in the next 7 years (i.e, attrition replacement), so they're not actually increasing IRS Revenue Agents/Special Agents? 
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May 29, 2023 04:20
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:i support more money for money cops because it makes rich people mad rich people don't pay taxes, and make sure that the politicians whom they elect understand that, which is easy bc the politicians are also rich people. I understand why you believe this lib bullshit; I'm evangelizing to the typical cspammer.
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May 29, 2023 04:20
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"let's give the money cops an extra $80 billion and then we'll get bezos to pay some taxes, mwahaha!" --dumb idiots
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May 29, 2023 04:22
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Willa Rogers posted:Like, the neighborhood granny who does daycare; the immigrant caregiver who looks after elders; the teens doing yardwork--yes, technically, they should all being paying taxes on their income. Yes, under the table daylaborers are especially exploited. These people oftentimes perform the same sort of labor as "normal" employees and don't even get social security credit. I don't care about the particular cases of a one-time babysitter or your grandmother watching you or whatever, but in general our small business tyrants absolutely exploit the hell out of immigrants and other vulnerable people and leave them uniquely vulnerable in both unemployment and old age.
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May 29, 2023 04:24
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If there was actually a good, leftist candidate that wanted to take on Sloppy Joe, they could really do some damage with that quote. Unfortunately, we all know that good, leftist candidates get Hoffa'd by the DNC.
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May 29, 2023 04:24
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Willa Rogers posted:"let's give the money cops an extra $80 billion and then we'll get bezos to pay some taxes, mwahaha!" I never claimed to be a smart idiot
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May 29, 2023 04:26
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Vox Nihili posted:Yes, under the table daylaborers are especially exploited. These people oftentimes perform the same sort of labor as "normal" employees and don't even get social security credit. Yeah, like I said I wasn't talking about "small business tyrants" as much as those who survive by earning or supplementing their incomes by gigs in the cash economy. A lot of them are people who serve valuable roles (caregiving, e.g.) that should instead be provided by the state (thru taxation!) instead. eta: When it comes to day laborers, if they're immigrants without work authorization in the u.s., the cash economy is their only way to survive.
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May 29, 2023 04:30
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defense spending will never be cut. everything will be on fire and they’ll still get 900b a year and more
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May 29, 2023 04:31
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Willa Rogers posted:"let's give the money cops an extra $80 billion and then we'll get bezos to pay some taxes, mwahaha!" Money cops are the only good cops. If they were bad they wouldn't be getting their budget cut.
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May 29, 2023 04:31
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Willa Rogers posted:eta: When it comes to day laborers, if they're immigrants without work authorization in the u.s., the cash economy is their only way to survive. Yeah, it's a system of exploitation built specifically to leave them vulnerable and without recourse. These people would be much better off if their working conditions were normalized, even the threadbare labor protections of the dying regulatory state are vastly superior to the hellish underworld we've built on the fringes. The continued existence of under the table labor isn't a solution to a problem, it's a specific, intended result of the systematic undermining of the rights of working people.
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May 29, 2023 04:39
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I just gave them everything they asked for - biden
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May 29, 2023 04:47
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Demon Of The Fall posted:defense spending will never be cut. everything will be on fire and they’ll still get 900b a year and more Gotta make sure someone is around to protect Das Kapital
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May 29, 2023 05:01
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Willa Rogers posted:
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May 29, 2023 05:04
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My maid insists she gets paid in cash. I'm helping her avoid taxes. Lmfao. Dumbfuck
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May 29, 2023 05:04
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Willa Rogers posted:"let's give the money cops an extra $80 billion and then we'll get bezos to pay some taxes, mwahaha!" standard fare boomer seething about the IRS
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