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hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

also it shouldn't surprise me (because of americas hatred of its prisoners) but even in prison where there's basically nothing to do, you don't even get 8 hours of sleep? loving wack. the grind never ends

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harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

no, i haven't had more than 4 or 5 hours of real uninterrupted sleep in 30 years. sleep is the thing that i have trouble with the most now. i mostly sleep on the floor with a pillow and with a light on. i can sometimes nap in my bed for a few hours

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
Well that’s depressing.

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

ok i wanted to ask you all about some something awful stuff

i see star symbols beside some user names and i get those are moderators but there are different colors like gray, blue, and red. are they the c/o's of the weird cyber prison haha

also someone mentioned something about pranks and charities and stuff that have been done here. what kinds of things

and a general internet question. my mom had dial-up internet for a very long time. are there still people who use that

we have i think 25 mbs internet. i know that is slow but we are rural so there isn;t much more we can afford

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


It's loving awful that even though you've got access to comfort now you've been conditioned to a point where you can't even enjoy it.

Related question, if you're willing to answer:
What were you most looking forward to getting out? Have there been things that were a huge let down, or totally different from what you were expecting? You already mentioned food being way too salty for example, and now the sleep thing, but I can imagine there being things that just totally hit you out of left field.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

harveys zoo zoos posted:

i see star symbols beside some user names and i get those are moderators but there are different colors like gray, blue, and red. are they the c/o's of the weird cyber prison haha

basically yeah. grey star = ik or idiot king, basically a local moderator. can only give 6 hour probations but can request more. some volatile threads have their own ik. blue star = moderator, can give up t oa 24 hour probation, but only in their own forum. red star = admin, approves long probations and bans, and can probate or ban anywhere on the site

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
Burrito = absolute badass

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


harveys zoo zoos posted:

ok i wanted to ask you all about some something awful stuff

i see star symbols beside some user names and i get those are moderators but there are different colors like gray, blue, and red. are they the c/o's of the weird cyber prison haha

also someone mentioned something about pranks and charities and stuff that have been done here. what kinds of things

and a general internet question. my mom had dial-up internet for a very long time. are there still people who use that

we have i think 25 mbs internet. i know that is slow but we are rural so there isn;t much more we can afford

Blue stars are moderators that take care of particular subforums, they're basically normal poster with extra responsibility. There's also IKs, Idiot Kings, who don't have a star but have limited power in a particular thread that needs some extra monitoring because it's too busy for a moderator to keep an eye on. Red stars are administrators that have more power and also do the more official stuff.

Dial up isn't a thing anymore.

I'll let others tell you about the wild stuff that has happened on SA. Some of it is pretty crazy like goons funding a guy that wanted to open up a hot dog shack but later turned out to be completely inept and racist or whatever. Or when goons went to an island (iirc, at least into the wilderness somewhere) and tried to build an off the grid community that hilariously fell apart quickly. There's too much for me to even remember and others can tell the stories better and more accurately.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

harveys zoo zoos posted:

and a general internet question. my mom had dial-up internet for a very long time. are there still people who use that

we have i think 25 mbs internet. i know that is slow but we are rural so there isn;t much more we can afford

dial up still exists iirc, especially in remote areas. basically it's cheap infrastructure to build where there's already phone lines and you don't need to lay down fibre optic cables/. but it's quite rare in north america. there's a new thing called starlink by a company launching hella satellites that in theory will be able to provide low cost, high bandwidth internet anywhere on earth. a lot of people have strong opinions on the company doing this and the man who owns it (spacex, elon musk)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






harveys zoo zoos posted:

and a general internet question. my mom had dial-up internet for a very long time. are there still people who use that

Probably there are some holdouts somewhere but by and large, no. The internet has become so heavy that it'd be pretty much unusable. Websites consist of images, gifs (animated images), videos, javascript (code that makes the sites do fancy things), etc. This makes the average basic website several megabytes big, and that would just take way too long on dialup. Like 10-20 minutes for an average site.

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

okay. do you think i will be able to play games with my 25mb connection. i think cousin todd might upgrade our service though, he said something about that.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

harveys zoo zoos posted:

okay. do you think i will be able to play games with my 25mb connection. i think cousin todd might upgrade our service though, he said something about that.

should be okay. downloads may take a while cause games are huge now but the gaming itself should be fine

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






harveys zoo zoos posted:

okay. do you think i will be able to play games with my 25mb connection. i think cousin todd might upgrade our service though, he said something about that.

Should be okay for games. They'll just take a looooong rear end time to download, but playing them should be no problem.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

what kinda games you tryna play btw. sorry if you said already but i just started reading the thread and its already long as hell. i assume goons have also questioned the veracity of thos story and have concluded that it is plausible

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

well my computer now is very slow but cousin todd is building a new one that can play all the new games i guess. the only one i really know about is diablo 4 because he wants to play that one with me. and also starfield but that comes out later this year i think

can people here play diablo 4 with me, that would be fun but i will have no idea what im doing hahaha

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

you can still get dialup at places like sdf http://sdf.org/?dialup

sdf is one of the big proto-internet communities, like the well and a few others, that connected a bunch of technically inclined nerds before the internet as we know it became a thing. named after the anime ‘space dimension fortress macross’ which you can find on YouTube. I think people mostly use these kinds of services these days for compatibility with old software, hardware, or games

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

Yeah, the actual information that gets sent back and forth, even in big multiplayer games, is way less than you'd think. You might wanna see what your monthly "cap" on data is, though. A lot of American internet providers will say "okay you can't download more than 1000 GB this month, or we are charging you more" just because it isn't regulated well yet. 1000 GB sounds like a lot until you've got four people in the same house who do their own thing in the evenings, all downloading games or watching streaming services or refining their local collection of meticulously categorized pornography

You might find yourself in situations where you need to compose a letter to print and send somewhere. For instance, a big part of my job is dealing with felons who are applying for EMT licensure, and we require them to submit a couple of different letters and documents digitally. Or maybe you want to make a basic spreadsheet, which is a document for organizing and categorizing data, like a budget. I recommend signing up for a Google account if you haven't yet, if only for Google Drive. It has free, online-accessible versions of popular basic business software. 99% of the time, you will only need the word processor, but familiarizing yourself with it is a good idea since you will probably need it occasionally for the foreseeable future.

Drive also lets you save all kinds of files online, or "in the cloud," so you can access it from any other device. Other computers, phones, etc. So, it's a great way to always have access to important documents and information in your pocket. It's like having your computer's storage with you wherever you go.

You may also notice that you collect a TON of usernames and passwords these days. Many people use a "password manager" to take over the impossible task of keeping track of all this poo poo. I use the free program "Bitwarden," and it works like a charm. It will even auto-create complex, good passwords for you so that all you have to do is copy-paste them. It's overkill for your McDonald's app, but you definitely want a robust password on any account that someone could upend your life with if they got into it, like your email

harveys zoo zoos posted:

can people here play diablo 4 with me, that would be fun but i will have no idea what im doing hahaha

There are always goons to play games with, go into the games subforum, there's a diablo 4 thread. Keep in mind goon discourse can get pretty mean-spiritied and vitriolic especially around release dates. People can get really weird about video games. But once you're in-game with goons, everyone tends to treat it like real life where you don't go nuclear on your friends over minor disagreements of opinion

big cummers ONLY fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 29, 2023

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

wow i just noticed something

i accidentally clicked on the message button. before it said i didn't have access but now i can send messages. i guess that was a paid option

so whoever did that, thank you very much

Haverchuck
May 6, 2005

the coolest

Taeke posted:

I'll let others tell you about the wild stuff that has happened on SA. Some of it is pretty crazy like goons funding a guy that wanted to open up a hot dog shack but later turned out to be completely inept and racist or whatever. Or when goons went to an island (iirc, at least into the wilderness somewhere) and tried to build an off the grid community that hilariously fell apart quickly. There's too much for me to even remember and others can tell the stories better and more accurately.

"its really amazing how the actions of goons and mods are so freaking far beyond the pale that its actually impossible for a bystander to believe."

proposal: i am going to make an environmentally sustainable yoga retreat in hawaii

reality: a y2k survivalist paid goons a "food stipend" to help me clearcut a rainforest, dig a road by hand, torture and mutilate animals to death on camera, and bathe in/drink from an improperly filtered kiddy pool that wild hogs poo poo and pissed in

proposal: i am going to make a fun zipline for kids at camp

reality: a goon spent tens of thousands of dollars constructing a machine that kills children, entirely by accident

proposal: a fad diet thread in the exercise forum

reality: a mentally ill man resembling a melted candle, the pied piper of ham joints, told people that eating nothing but eggs and bacon and lard in paint buckets (they were literally buying and eating buckets full of lard in the name of good health) would not only make them lose weight, but was so healthy it would cure heart disease and cancer. an enormous fat powerlifter who cant run for 20 seconds probated and banned anyone who challenged this wisdom until it lead to a man barely in his 20s being prescribed statins.

proposal: a thread about animal husbandry in the pet forum

reality: a moderator unrepentantly killed animals with ac/dc hadoukens and probated people who asked questions

proposal: a forum for "responsible drug users" and "harm reduction"

reality: a man falls through the earth and into parisian catacombs. taking a torch from the wall he spies row upon row of skeletons. grasping the nearest by the shoulders, he shakes it madly, yelling "my nigga have u tried lsd"


Copy pasted this Duncan Roberts post from a google search. Also iirc the Hawaii yoga retreat people got a bunch of their expensive gear stolen right away lol, but I might be misremembering its been so long.

Tungsten
Aug 10, 2004

Your Working Boy

Haverchuck posted:

"its really amazing how the actions of goons and mods are so freaking far beyond the pale that its actually impossible for a bystander to believe."

proposal: i am going to make an environmentally sustainable yoga retreat in hawaii

reality: a y2k survivalist paid goons a "food stipend" to help me clearcut a rainforest, dig a road by hand, torture and mutilate animals to death on camera, and bathe in/drink from an improperly filtered kiddy pool that wild hogs poo poo and pissed in

proposal: i am going to make a fun zipline for kids at camp

reality: a goon spent tens of thousands of dollars constructing a machine that kills children, entirely by accident

proposal: a fad diet thread in the exercise forum

reality: a mentally ill man resembling a melted candle, the pied piper of ham joints, told people that eating nothing but eggs and bacon and lard in paint buckets (they were literally buying and eating buckets full of lard in the name of good health) would not only make them lose weight, but was so healthy it would cure heart disease and cancer. an enormous fat powerlifter who cant run for 20 seconds probated and banned anyone who challenged this wisdom until it lead to a man barely in his 20s being prescribed statins.

proposal: a thread about animal husbandry in the pet forum

reality: a moderator unrepentantly killed animals with ac/dc hadoukens and probated people who asked questions

proposal: a forum for "responsible drug users" and "harm reduction"

reality: a man falls through the earth and into parisian catacombs. taking a torch from the wall he spies row upon row of skeletons. grasping the nearest by the shoulders, he shakes it madly, yelling "my nigga have u tried lsd"


Copy pasted this Duncan Roberts post from a google search. Also iirc the Hawaii yoga retreat people got a bunch of their expensive gear stolen right away lol, but I might be misremembering its been so long.

the yoga retreat goons left the keys in a piece of heavy equipment meant for taking down trees, and they secured it by chaining it to a tree

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

harveys zoo zoos posted:

wow i just noticed something

i accidentally clicked on the message button. before it said i didn't have access but now i can send messages. i guess that was a paid option

so whoever did that, thank you very much

the way the private messaging system works on this website is about 24 years old so you should feel pretty at home with it

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



harveys zoo zoos posted:

and the nfts and crypto things just seem like scams to me. did people get a lot dumber in 30 years or what. or maybe we've been dumb all along i don't know

Greed. People are straight up blinded by the promise of easy cash, and the technological gibberish around it has given people an excuse to hand-waive away others calling it a scam as just not understanding it properly.

It looks really silly for someone jumping in today, but the collective madness around crypto has come and gone over the last few years. There was a period of time where a shockingly large number of ostensibly reasonable people got roped up in the hype, and comments like yours would have gotten you seriously bullied in great many social circles. What you are seeing today is very much the remnants of a particularly weird phenomenon that has largely run its course.

Mind you, many amongst us expect and/or dread the day where this flares up again.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



nah harvey is right about nfts and crypto. the people who got scammed were those always looking to cut a big hog, same as any other get rich quick scam. there were some "future of money" true believers but that only lasted a couple years in the early 2000s and since then it's all been get rich quick nonsense and idiots egging each other on

Cousin Todd
Jul 3, 2007
Grimey Drawer
Many people essentially dgaf (don't give a gently caress) that things are scams anymore so long as they believe that they personally can benefit from it financially.

This is true in every aspect of modern life from investing, healthcare, politics, you name it. They just don't care if it's a scam, so long as it either looks like it's going to benefit them, or hurt other people they don't like.

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
OP are you a coffee drinker? I assume the coffee was bad inside. Have you had any good coffee experiences since getting out?

Typing this question while sipping a delicious cuppa coffee. :coffeepal:

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

oh yeah, re theatre snacks, I’d usually do something similar, except I’d put peanut m&ms inside a bag of popcorn. or whoppers sometimes, tho I preferred the former

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


Aramis posted:

Greed. People are straight up blinded by the promise of easy cash, and the technological gibberish around it has given people an excuse to hand-waive away others calling it a scam as just not understanding it properly.

It looks really silly for someone jumping in today, but the collective madness around crypto has come and gone over the last few years. There was a period of time where a shockingly large number of ostensibly reasonable people got roped up in the hype, and comments like yours would have gotten you seriously bullied in great many social circles. What you are seeing today is very much the remnants of a particularly weird phenomenon that has largely run its course.

Mind you, many amongst us expect and/or dread the day where this flares up again.

Also there are genuinely people who made a lot of money on bitcoin because they got in early enough.

A buddy of mine from high school used bitcoin to buy/sell drugs over the internet (silk road I think it was called) back when a bitcoin was just a couple of bucks, so he had hundreds if not thousands of them stashed away which, you know, turned into a huge amount of money a decade later. He'd be set for life if he hadn't fried his brain lol

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Haverchuck posted:

"its really amazing how the actions of goons and mods are so freaking far beyond the pale that its actually impossible for a bystander to believe."

proposal: i am going to make an environmentally sustainable yoga retreat in hawaii

reality: a y2k survivalist paid goons a "food stipend" to help me clearcut a rainforest, dig a road by hand, torture and mutilate animals to death on camera, and bathe in/drink from an improperly filtered kiddy pool that wild hogs poo poo and pissed in

proposal: i am going to make a fun zipline for kids at camp

reality: a goon spent tens of thousands of dollars constructing a machine that kills children, entirely by accident

proposal: a fad diet thread in the exercise forum

reality: a mentally ill man resembling a melted candle, the pied piper of ham joints, told people that eating nothing but eggs and bacon and lard in paint buckets (they were literally buying and eating buckets full of lard in the name of good health) would not only make them lose weight, but was so healthy it would cure heart disease and cancer. an enormous fat powerlifter who cant run for 20 seconds probated and banned anyone who challenged this wisdom until it lead to a man barely in his 20s being prescribed statins.

proposal: a thread about animal husbandry in the pet forum

reality: a moderator unrepentantly killed animals with ac/dc hadoukens and probated people who asked questions

proposal: a forum for "responsible drug users" and "harm reduction"

reality: a man falls through the earth and into parisian catacombs. taking a torch from the wall he spies row upon row of skeletons. grasping the nearest by the shoulders, he shakes it madly, yelling "my nigga have u tried lsd"


Copy pasted this Duncan Roberts post from a google search. Also iirc the Hawaii yoga retreat people got a bunch of their expensive gear stolen right away lol, but I might be misremembering its been so long.

Man, all that would be super funny if there wasn't any animal abuse involved.

hydrangea
May 29, 2023

Harvey, I was curious how you or anyone you met there felt about those Write A Prisoner services where incarcerated people post their info and are looking for pen pals.

I had a small correspondence with an incarcerated person and briefly talked about life & interests for a bit. We didn’t end up staying in contact but I always wondered how people felt about contact from the outside from strangers.

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

on the subject of scams, prisoners are a vulnerable group

some younger guys new to the system would fall for mail scams like 'send us money and we'll work on your case' or 'put your money in a managed account for your family' and stuff like that

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

hydrangea posted:

Harvey, I was curious how you or anyone you met there felt about those Write A Prisoner services where incarcerated people post their info and are looking for pen pals.

I had a small correspondence with an incarcerated person and briefly talked about life & interests for a bit. We didn’t end up staying in contact but I always wondered how people felt about contact from the outside from strangers.

those programs were popular. over the years i had a couple of women write and they even visited me but those didn't last long. i think the longest i had a pen pal was 3 years. i'd get something from her every month, sometimes more

i can think of 3 inmates who got married that way, but conjugal visits were not allowed

if anyone is interested in writing a prisoner, please do. a simple one time short note can make a huge difference and if it keeps going, that's even better

harveys zoo zoos fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 29, 2023

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



big cummers ONLY posted:

You may also notice that you collect a TON of usernames and passwords these days. Many people use a "password manager" to take over the impossible task of keeping track of all this poo poo. I use the free program "Bitwarden," and it works like a charm. It will even auto-create complex, good passwords for you so that all you have to do is copy-paste them. It's overkill for your McDonald's app, but you definitely want a robust password on any account that someone could upend your life with if they got into it, like your email


Also use unique usernames, it’s a pain but is a pretty important thing to do and a password manager helps a lot with that. Google has a decent one if you end up using the Chrome browser. I don’t use it but my girlfriend finds it really convenient.

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

someone asked about the music i like

well when i was a kid i loved hair metal. the first concert i went to was ratt and great white. also, black sabbath is one of my all time favorites. when i first heard the paranoid album i was blown away and i think that's where i really 'discovered' music

while inside i had an mp3 player at different times and i got into a lot of blues stuff. stevie ray vaughan, etta james, robert johnson, john lee hooker

i don't know much about new music but when i get the new computer i'll setup a spotify for myself and start exploring

but man one of my absolute all time favorites is sinead o'connor. drat i love her, she's amazing.

haha after i posted this i had to go to youtube and watch her 'troy' video. it gives me chills

harveys zoo zoos fucked around with this message at 19:38 on May 29, 2023

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

harveys zoo zoos posted:

someone asked about the music i like

well when i was a kid i loved hair metal. the first concert i went to was ratt and great white. also, black sabbath is one of my all time favorites. when i first heard the paranoid album i was blown away and i think that's where i really 'discovered' music

while inside i had an mp3 player at different times and i got into a lot of blues stuff. stevie ray vaughan, etta james, robert johnson, john lee hooker

i don't know much about new music but when i get the new computer i'll setup a spotify for myself and start exploring

but man one of my absolute all time favorites is sinead o'connor. drat i love her, she's amazing.

Check out the red house painters. It's like blues but sadder. Very cathartic music to feel grown man emotions to

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



harveys zoo zoos posted:

on the subject of scams, prisoners are a vulnerable group

some younger guys new to the system would fall for mail scams like 'send us money and we'll work on your case' or 'put your money in a managed account for your family' and stuff like that

There's a special place in hell for people who go out of their way to prey on others going through hard times.

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

It is probably the best time in history to enjoy music. There's so much of it, it can be overwhelming. Most services will have a button you can hit when listening to a song you like to find similar songs, I've found a lot of artists I like that way. I also browse new/trending stuff on the homepages of those services when I want to leave my bubble.

YouTube is really great for listening to music for free. Especially live performances.

E: also it makes sense you got into blues from metal, they are more closely linked than a lot of people know and a ton of metal musicians list blues artists as major inspirations

big cummers ONLY fucked around with this message at 19:45 on May 29, 2023

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

big cummers ONLY posted:

It is probably the best time in history to enjoy music. There's so much of it, it can be overwhelming. Most services will have a button you can hit when listening to a song you like to find similar songs, I've found a lot of artists I like that way. I also browse new/trending stuff on the homepages of those services when I want to leave my bubble.

YouTube is really great for listening to music for free. Especially live performances.

honestly it's true. modern music is excellent. lots of pushing the frontier, and lots of artists that crank out the same sound that was popular in years past. you can listen to all youer favourites, poo poo that sounds like your favourites, or push your boundaries trivially easy these days

harveys zoo zoos
May 23, 2023

big cummers ONLY posted:

It is probably the best time in history to enjoy music. There's so much of it, it can be overwhelming. Most services will have a button you can hit when listening to a song you like to find similar songs, I've found a lot of artists I like that way. I also browse new/trending stuff on the homepages of those services when I want to leave my bubble.

YouTube is really great for listening to music for free. Especially live performances.

E: also it makes sense you got into blues from metal, they are more closely linked than a lot of people know and a ton of metal musicians list blues artists as major inspirations

yeah, i think black sabbath started out as a blues outfit if i'm not mistaken. there are definitely blues riffs in a lot of their stuff. i read a lot of guitar player magazine as a kid but i could never play any instruments

as my friend lamar put it, 'all music is the blues'

Haverchuck
May 6, 2005

the coolest

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

honestly it's true. modern music is excellent. lots of pushing the frontier, and lots of artists that crank out the same sound that was popular in years past. you can listen to all youer favourites, poo poo that sounds like your favourites, or push your boundaries trivially easy these days

during the early oughts I discovered hundreds of bands and artists that I would have never had a clue about by downloading music from peer-to-peer filesharing clients like napster and limewire. There was at least one that allowed you to search through other peoples libraries and had dedicated chat rooms for various musical genres.

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isaboo
Nov 11, 2002

Muay Buok
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Haverchuck posted:

during the early oughts I discovered hundreds of bands and artists that I would have never had a clue about by downloading music from peer-to-peer filesharing clients like napster and limewire. There was at least one that allowed you to search through other peoples libraries and had dedicated chat rooms for various musical genres.

soulseek still exists and is cool and good :)

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