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Spokes posted:it's so funny because every so often i'm like "every goon is 40 years old now and we are done making incredibly dumbass posts" and i am always wrong lol, yeah By popular demand posted:Best joke on these forums for quite a while. (perforce, as the killing of humans and other intelligent life forms for the purpose of profit is basically held to be the antithesis of weal) It all comes back to Gygax...
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Samovar posted:What critiques do you have of the game, btw? I'll have to sit down and actually think this one through, but I'll answer when I find the time for it sometime this week.
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The history of this thread's posts is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.
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FPyat posted:The history of this thread's posts is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake. Posting shouldn't be this bad. This dry. This un-nourishing. There's something wrong with your thoughts.
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Gaius Marius is the SuperMechaGodzilla of Video Games.
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Frionnel posted:Gaius Marius is the SuperMechaGodzilla of Video Games. Nah he's a poor man's BOTL, and BOTL was a poor man's SMG
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steinrokkan posted:Posting shouldn't be this bad. This dry. This un-nourishing. There's something wrong with your thoughts. I do appreciate the effortposts from people who pass their skill checks, though
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Gaius Marius posted:For the DND stuff, I don't engage with nerd culture
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Endorph posted:dog you have a umineko avatar Volition (impossible)
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also this video is really worth watching even if '2h30m youtube video about video game' is a really terrible format. feel free to skip to chapter 3 and the end if you dont want to watch all that, those are the most important parts. feels a lot like kurvitz is up his own rear end and assumes even the slightest criticism of him is a failure of communism or something, theres a lot of hosed up stuff that went on during disco elysium's development/the early planning of de2 that he refuses to acknowledge at all. (like offering writers jobs, asking them to send in example work, then saying they failed without even reading it). the acquisition of the studio stuff seems hosed but not every problem that went down during de's development is a psyop to justify that.
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Endorph posted:also this video is really worth watching even if '2h30m youtube video about video game' is a really terrible format. feel free to skip to chapter 3 and the end if you dont want to watch all that, those are the most important parts. I (about halfway through) am taking the exact opposite view. Kurvitz may have been up his own rear end and viewing any criticism of him as unwarranted, but that isn't justification for what Ilmar Kompus admits in the interview: That he took 4.8 million from the company in order to buy it from the other shareholders, with absolutely no documentation of literally anyone else agreeing to the scheme or any paper trail suggesting he intended to pay anything back before the court case happened.
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I haven't watched the video yet (it's very long) but my theory (based solely on my feels) for a while now is that it's probably both true - Kurvitz is an unprofessional, somewhat unhinged artiste type and also the business guys tried to defraud him and the others.
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Mystic Mongol posted:I (about halfway through) am taking the exact opposite view. Kurvitz may have been up his own rear end and viewing any criticism of him as unwarranted, but that isn't justification for what Ilmar Kompus admits in the interview: That he took 4.8 million from the company in order to buy it from the other shareholders, with absolutely no documentation of literally anyone else agreeing to the scheme or any paper trail suggesting he intended to pay anything back before the court case happened. quote:the acquisition of the studio stuff seems hosed
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my dad posted:The reason why I avoided Disco Elysium like the plague for a long, long, long time is that my primary form of learning about it were incorrigibly hopeless internet dipshits, or ideologically starved leftists whose two purposes in life are to revel in watching other's misery or to wallow in their own and being racist when socialism outside of the first world is brought up, or people who won't shut the gently caress up about Žižek, or someone like them. The vibe of the game I got from reading what they wrote was that of misery porn, which is something that I utterly loathe, especially when it's meant to describe a world deeply familiar to me. Yeah, you sound really uncynical. Don't mind that message.
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Watching the Kompus section and lmao goddamn is he 100% the "Sunday Friend".
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Spokes posted:it's so funny because every so often i'm like "every goon is 40 years old now and we are done making incredibly dumbass posts" and i am always wrong gaius is like 20 or something. barely out of college not that this disproves your point but it says a lot about how self-conscious he is about his tastes
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Christ alive, Kurvitz is a gaping rear end in a top hat. I feel bad for Hindpere and Rostov, they got hosed over by both the financial interests within the company and their de facto leader's inability to not be a prick to his coworkers
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I mean Harry always felt like a character written from experience to some degree, so I'm not exactly surprised to learn that Kurvitz might be an rear end in a top hat.
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to be honest at no point while playing DE did i feel that Harry was a reflection of one of the lead writer's actual behaviors
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Really? I felt like you would’ve had to have lived half of it to even come up with the other half
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No Dignity posted:Nah he's a poor man's BOTL, and BOTL was a poor man's SMG Can't argue with that
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i think i was talking too broadly and took the above comment as expecting him to be an rear end in a top hat which probably wasn't the intent, sorry. what i mean is that i've read a ton of fiction with rear end in a top hat characters that aren't written by people who come across as assholes in the interviews and media i've seen them in, so i wouldn't have expected the people who wrote DE to buck that trend. especially in the context of it being a game which obviously is written with a message of (fractured) hope.
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"meme emotions" is one of the most unhinged things i've read
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Megazver posted:I haven't watched the video yet (it's very long) but my theory (based solely on my feels) for a while now is that it's probably both true - Kurvitz is an unprofessional, somewhat unhinged artiste type and also the business guys tried to defraud him and the others. Yeah absolutely.
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Endorph posted:dog you have a umineko avatar Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the greatest work of literature ever composed. Bar Ran Dun posted:Yes consider the bagel. The bagel is the concrete universal. Remember all that ontologically inverted structurally identical talk from the other thread. I think we're talking around each other. The constant sloughing off of the past into the Pale isn't what the game is, it's the rising above that. The Hopelessness I'm talking about is the assumed state of the player and the people in it, and the Pale represents that. But, because they're hopeless they can transcend that. I just don't think the Pale is interesting or useful to that process at all. If you cut every single piece of dialogue related to it, you'd change virtually nothing and have a tighter story. Rambling metaphysics nonsense is not something you should be adding to stories unless it is absolutely necessary. Billy Pilgrim becoming unstuck in time is necessary, The Pale is like the Bagel in EE because of how unnecessary it is to the plot.
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its an extremely cool metaphysical global warming. its almost as though the possible end of the world might have a lot to do with peoples conceptions of the future
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Gaius Marius posted:Rambling metaphysics nonsense is not something you should be adding to stories unless it is absolutely necessary. Weren't you literally just defending the inane, rambling metaphysical nonsense that makes up the entire setting of PT a few pages back? Like from a purely aesthetic perspective, that poo poo is lame an DE is much better, but from a practical and thematic perspective DE's stuff works, it is a physical representation of the game's core foundation of hauntology, not just some extraneous window dressing.
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It actually works in Planescape
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Gaius Marius posted:The Pale is like the Bagel in EE because of how unnecessary it is to the plot. The bagel is necessary to the plot. The bagel is the concrete universal. We can see a concrete universal in two ways as saving or as subsuming the particular into despair. That’s the whole second half of the film. Subsumed by the universal into despair in dialogue with saved by love. The bagel is the plot.
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It's a prop. The plot is Evelyn and her daughters relationship.
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Gaius Marius posted:It actually works in Planescape 95% of the planescape metaphysics is irrelevant to the plot, half of it is directly harmful to the plot, and 99% of it is just plain stupid. Meanwhile, you're complaining about the bagel in EEAAO, which fills a space where you absolutely had to have something like it in order for the rest of the story to work. Similarly, some of DE's strongest moments come from just how powerful a metaphor for the pale is for the society we find ourselves, the audience, within. My man, I think you may be confusing your personal aesthetic preference for lame fantasy tropes for the actual worth of a metaphysical construct to a narrative.
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he thought that invisible cities should have focused more on worldbuilding. little boy clomping around in his father's shoes
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Would you have liked DE and EEAAO better if they were more anime, perhaps? Maybe Kim should have been more tsundere
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Oxxidation posted:he thought that invisible cities should have focused more on worldbuilding. little boy clomping around in his father's shoes I said I'd have preferred Calvino to go deeper instead of wider. quote:Invisible Cities Got Recced this after talking bout Borges. The only problem I have with it, is that I prefer Borges in his approach. That is to say, if Borges had the same materiel he'd have spoken of one of the city concepts in such depth I would be left slack jawed on the floor, ready to fully reconstruct my knowledge of what knowledge is. Calvino it's more of a "Huh, yeah that's a way of thinking about that". Cool, but not sublimely illuminating. The talk between the cities between Kublai and Marco was far more interesting on that front. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 02:19 on May 30, 2023 |
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Tsundere Kim With Max Half Light
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Gaius Marius posted:It's a prop. The plot is Evelyn and her daughters relationship. It’s a prop in so far as something like this : “they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. “ Is a prop. Yes the plot is Evelyn and her daughters relationship. it is the love between them that saves Evelyn and Joy. That’s also the concrete universal but it’s revealed and saving rather than constructed and subsuming.
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Invisible Cities is the wrong read if you’re coming from Borges. Instead go to the Cosmicomics.
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My favorite part of the Pale is when it's compared not something as small as anthropogenic climate change, but at the end of the game when it's compared to the Oxygen Catastrophe. Put simply- O2 is an incredibly reactive molecule which causes all sorts of things from rust to fire. It doesn't last long in the atmosphere naturally. Early on in the history of life, billions of years ago, when it was just single cells in the ocean, cyanobacteria figured out how to photosynthesize- getting energy directly from sunlight. Huge explosion in life, but it produced oxygen as a waste product. For a while, things are fine and life flourishes as never before. But then a critical level of toxic oxygen waste is reached, and the ocean is oxygenated, which catastrophic consequences and nearly wipes out all life on Earth. The Pale compares the human mind to photosynthesis. Something new and unprecedented is flourishing but it is creating a waste product- history- that there is currently no way of dealing with. Things may yet reach an incredibly destructive critical mass where it all comes tumbling down. Our current world is informed by our past ideas, but there are more and more ideas constantly being introduced and preserved with no way to process them. We are not in a stable, eternal world, we are in a world of unprecedented exponential changes that for all we know will end in apocalyptic Catastrophe. The grimly optimistic part of that comparison is... we live in a toxic oxygenated world, and we actually couldn't exist as we do if it weren't oxygenated. Whatever survives the Pale, whatever human analogs to deep see anaerobic life persist in a world consumed by history, may very well continue and adapt and eventually thrive in harmony with the new state of the world. Our society may not be equipped to deal with the weight of human history, but even if we are are consumed by its weight, that doesn't have to be the end.
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