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bobtheconqueror posted:I mean there is a more or less permanent ironworks presence at Ralgr's Reach, so that wouldn't be a horribly difficult thing, and the ever present warmachina remains probably give them a heap of spare parts. I think another thing is that most Eorzeans look at Magitek the same way Garleans look at magic. "WTF is this poo poo, how is it doing that? Oh, and also it has been used to great effect at killing people I know, I would prefer to not have anything to do with that, thank you." Like, part of the Ironworks mission statement was to advocate for magitek and that it can improve your quality of life and convincing all of us Aether-havers that it's worth embracing.
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sweet geek swag posted:Remember the quest where Lolorito is trying to get a foothold in Ala Mhigo so he decides to hire the guy from the back alley in Ul'dah so he can claim to employ Ala Mhigans, and he forces Lolorito to unionize? Good quest. WHITE GOLD!
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Shogeton posted:One thing I wonder about Endwalker, about Fourchenault. After his 'dad of the year award' worthy actions at the end of Shadowbringer, it is noted that it's kind of weird that he'd personally come all this way to deliver a 'No, screw you, let me specifically provoke my kids and suggest that we know more than we let on' when they could just have sent a letter 'per our last message, we're not getting involved' which probably would have had the Scions ignore Sharlayan. The way I see it is that when it became clear to him that he wasn’t going to be able to argue the kids around as adults, he basically switched to treating them like children and switched to Stern Dad “I’m going to punish you now” (with about the only punishment he had available at that point) and was hoping for a climb-down from the twins, and was genuinely surprised when he essentially got “no gently caress you dad” back. Also he’s almost certainly got some serious emotional baggage around Eorzea in general anyway so I wouldn’t expect him to behave 100% rationally in that case.
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I think the idea is that Fourchenault loves his kids but he was in a situation where his duty came first and we could possibly meddle and break their preparations to flee the star. Preparations that would also save his children if worst came to worst. It wasn't after we had proven that we could help the Sharlayans with the ship that he realized how bad a mistake he made.
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May 30, 2023 14:44
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"Gotta call in a few favors to own my dad" was a great moment.
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I do appreciate that Fourchenault is significantly more agreeable to pretty much everything after 6.0 to the point of being a Role Quest partner.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I do appreciate that Fourchenault is significantly more agreeable to pretty much everything after 6.0 to the point of being a Role Quest partner. Something to do with his immaculate posterior, I'm sure
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I do appreciate that Fourchenault is significantly more agreeable to pretty much everything after 6.0 to the point of being a Role Quest partner. That was a nice little reminder that Alphinaud's Nouliths did, in fact, belong to Fourchie before Ameliance handed them down, and he knew how to use them. I guess he got a second pair made at some point... probably after Alphinaud took his, just in case he needed them again. I do have to wonder how much of the "how dare you resort to fighting for survival, you barbarians" attitude was actually them being that naive, as opposed to just deflecting from their SECRET SACRED MISSION. Also, I just did the new trial. More than once, success rested on the shoulders of the sole Red Mage rezzing BOTH healers, because they were both dead. There was also a healer LB3 at one point.
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Feldegast42 posted:I think the idea is that Fourchenault loves his kids but he was in a situation where his duty came first and we could possibly meddle and break their preparations to flee the star. Preparations that would also save his children if worst came to worst. It wasn't after we had proven that we could help the Sharlayans with the ship that he realized how bad a mistake he made. His master plan was basically grabbing both his kids by the napes of their necks and throwing them into the Ragnarok without explaining anything to them while the world burned down. He just completely misjudged how much BOTH of them had grown in the time since he'd last seen them.
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Bunny Zenos https://twitter.com/Benedict__G/status/1663246403185803269
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Veev posted:Raubahn might not want to replace his arm out of guilt, but you'd think at least 1 character would have 1 magic-science arm. It's all the rage right now. My vote for inexplicable cyborg ninja reveal remains Mauh Lizheh, the food merchant gal from the postmoogle quest "The Past is a Story We Never Tell" The end of that quest posted:Ma used to say we can't see the moon while the sun is in the sky. So it might be with King Poach, I think. If he were taken, Urha will see that there are other lives, better loves.
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Azubah posted:"Gotta call in a few favors to own my dad" was a great moment. I still chuckle to myself with the Estinien cherry on top of "He'll be gunning for your position on the Council before too long."
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A random thought occurs to me, a question for those who've been around for a while. I only started playing during 6.0. I know that Crystal Tower wasn't always mandatory, I think it was 5.3? What happened to characters that were already past the "gotta do Crystal Tower now to progress" point, but hadn't done Crystal Tower yet? Did they get forced to drop everything and go do it to proceed with the MSQ, or did they get a sort of free pass? Like, someone was in the middle of Stormblood, or partway through Shadowbringers or something, but hadn't so much as started the Crystal Tower questline.
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BlazetheInferno posted:A random thought occurs to me, a question for those who've been around for a while. I don't recall the exact quest in 5.3 when it popped up, but if you hadn't finished Crystal Tower at that point, you'd be blocked and have to go complete it before finishing the MSQ. The two checkpoints once the update was put through was one of the last quests in 2.55, or somewhere in the 5.3 MSQ. If you were past ARR but not yet at 5.3, you could keep putting it off right until quest progress blocked you.
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I remember that there was no option to be familiar with G'raha at the end of 5.0 if you hadn't done Crystal Tower, but that's the extent of my knowledge given I did all of the Alliance Raids in Stormblood. That must've been so awkward. Here's a big dramatic reveal of... a character you've never met before!
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The quests around the raids would be nonsense if you did them after ShB too.
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Gearhead posted:His master plan was basically grabbing both his kids by the napes of their necks and throwing them into the Ragnarok without explaining anything to them while the world burned down. To be fair last time he saw them he was dealing with the 2.0 twins so it probably wasn't the worst idea
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I remember that there was no option to be familiar with G'raha at the end of 5.0 if you hadn't done Crystal Tower, but that's the extent of my knowledge given I did all of the Alliance Raids in Stormblood. I started playing in May of last year, so it was already mandatory. When I got to that point, I was pissed that I was forced to do the CT Raids, so I just slammed through all the text and skipped all the cutscenes. When the reveal happened, I was like, "Who dat? Eh. Who cares!". Looked him up later, and went, "Oh. Meh."
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Kheldarn posted:I started playing in May of last year, so it was already mandatory. When I got to that point, I was pissed that I was forced to do the CT Raids, so I just slammed through all the text and skipped all the cutscenes. When the reveal happened, I was like, "Who dat? Eh. Who cares!". Looked him up later, and went, "Oh. Meh."  You never know when Side Content can slink out from the side and become relevant to the MSQ.
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They're going to swerve us and make Tataru's Grand Adventure required for 7.0
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All I know is if we’re going back to the First for 6.5 then they goddamn well better at least give us a follow-up on Eden and the Void Quests.
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Chillgamesh posted:All I know is if we’re going back to the First for 6.5 then they goddamn well better at least give us a follow-up on Eden and the Void Quests. We didn't even see Gaia or have her mentioned last time we went over there. Like at least put in a line of dialogue ffs
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Unless they make Eden MSQ-mandatory, the most we'll get is a namedrop and acknowledgement that she exists, but is elsewhere for people who've done the Eden questline.
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Ultima feels like something they're leaving as a potential loose end at least, with the reveal that she predates the Ancients. There's probably ways to introduce the race that Ultima is a part of without requiring anyone to do Ivalice or Pandemonium though, just letting people who do them just recognize them early similar to how they let Ivalice players immediately ask Lahabrea about Ultima the High Seraph for Pandemonium.
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BlazetheInferno posted:Unless they make Eden MSQ-mandatory, the most we'll get is a namedrop and acknowledgement that she exists, but is elsewhere for people who've done the Eden questline. I'd be fine with that! They're busy working on renovating the Empty, she can have plenty to help out with.
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I wouldn't mind if they just said gently caress it and added characters like Gaia and Unukalhai into the plot as if their stories were done. The people that would care have likely done the important side stuff, and the people that don't, well, don't care. Or make them all mandatory too. Both good.
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They did kinda just skip the Coils raid series when they introduced Alisae. Even acknowledged whether you did it, started and didn't complete, or nothing at all, if memory serves. Granted that's a bit easier when it wasn't the first appearance and effective origin of the character.
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I hope they don't lock super important plot stuff behind a long grind for people who don't multiclass. Just make the quests playable by anyone once the expansion's over.
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Allarion posted:Ultima feels like something they're leaving as a potential loose end at least, with the reveal that she predates the Ancients. There's probably ways to introduce the race that Ultima is a part of without requiring anyone to do Ivalice or Pandemonium though, just letting people who do them just recognize them early similar to how they let Ivalice players immediately ask Lahabrea about Ultima the High Seraph for Pandemonium. Ultima doesn't seem to be a 'race' so much as just some kind of abstract space monster like.. I don't know.. Lavos. Except with an actual Infohazard component that damages world laws. So, maybe more like ORT.
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stev posted:I hope they don't lock super important plot stuff behind a long grind for people who don't multiclass. The only thing like this is the post role quest stuff, and that is still just doing all the quests, you just have to have different jobs leveled to do the quests. Alexander/Omega/Eden are hardly long grinds. The only one that feels long is the Ivalice raid series, just because it was handled in maybe the worst possible way.
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stev posted:I hope they don't lock super important plot stuff behind a long grind for people who don't multiclass. They already do this it’s called the whole dang game
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I've managed to level up 3.3 healer jobs without ever healing so it's not like you even need to play them
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Attach a tank and ranged dps to Arcanist. The book is a shield and you shoot carbuncle off your arm like a dog. This makes leveling for the role quests very easy. Or let BLU do any role quest. They can do anything!
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FuturePastNow posted:I've managed to level up 3.3 healer jobs without ever healing so it's not like you even need to play them Not healing is the highest calling of any healer
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stev posted:I hope they don't lock super important plot stuff behind a long grind for people who don't multiclass. There's a variety of reasons to level up an alt job but I imagine role quests are pretty boring overall IHMO  I read my 1st and 2nd job quests then completely skipped the extra jobs I picked up later on and I still haven't done the melee RPR role quest because of lack of interest.
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The Shadowbringers Role Quests were all interesting to varying degrees, though the Endwalker ones are much less so. The best of both is the Healer quest.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:The Shadowbringers Role Quests were all interesting to varying degrees, though the Endwalker ones are much less so. The best of both is the Healer quest. They keep making us less relevant, but we keep getting the best questlines! Who's the true winner? ...oh, right, Dark Knights in both.
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Cleretic posted:They keep making us less relevant, No they don't.
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